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Anybody wanna try to predict the pole time? Sebastian Vettel's all-time pole record of 1:13.556 seems sure to be beaten this year, but how low will they go? Over the course of the season so far, the poles have been:

Australia: -1.649 seconds faster
China: -3.724 seconds faster
Bahrain: -0.724 seconds faster
Russia: -2.223 seconds faster
Spain: -2.851 seconds faster

All they need to improve over last year's pole to set a new record is -0.066. With these cars producing a dramatically higher amount of mechanical grip as well as aerodynamic downforce, I'm expecting something in the mid-to-low 1:12s.

Guesses?
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Exediron wrote:Anybody wanna try to predict the pole time? Sebastian Vettel's all-time pole record of 1:13.556 seems sure to be beaten this year, but how low will they go? Over the course of the season so far, the poles have been:

Australia: -1.649 seconds faster
China: -3.724 seconds faster
Bahrain: -0.724 seconds faster
Russia: -2.223 seconds faster
Spain: -2.851 seconds faster

All they need to improve over last year's pole to set a new record is -0.066. With these cars producing a dramatically higher amount of mechanical grip as well as aerodynamic downforce, I'm expecting something in the mid-to-low 1:12s.

Guesses?
I'll go for a 1:11.9

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Short wheel base or long wheel base? That is the question.

I was looking at sector 3 times for Spain last year. Mercedes were top but Red Bull were just +0.150 through there, Ferrari +0.450. They say sector 3 is a good indicator for Monaco. That Mercedes is so long, I have not seen anything other than a Ferrari win here especially since it was so strong in S3 in Russia too. But it seems that Mercedes update is very strong. This season the Mercedes had about a 0.3-0.4 advantage in S3 over both the Ferrari and the Red Bull.

I think Ricciardo and Hamilton were dead even last year in the dry, Hamilton just didn't get a proper lap in with 1 disjointed run. I hope Red Bull can join the battle this weekend but they don't seem as strong or capable as last year.

Its nice to have the anticipation of which car will be quicker this weekend, a feeling I completely forgot with the Rosberg vs Hamilton title fights and Red Bull dominance.

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This new kerb looks rather dangerous to me:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-a ... co-909683/

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owenmahamilton wrote:This new kerb looks rather dangerous to me:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-a ... co-909683/
Yes, I'm betting that will be gone by Sunday. Then again, they need to do something, and it seems rather hilarious for the drivers to complain about a high kerb in Monaco of all places. Perhaps they should just have gone with old fashioned Armco...
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Good amount of changes made to the track. Excerpts from the article below:

- Fresh tarmac has been laid from the start line to 50m after Sainte Dévote, followed by strips between Turns 4 (Casino) and to Turn 8 (Portier), the exit of the tunnel to Turn 10 (Nouvelle Chicane), Turn 12 (Tabac) to just after Turn 14 (Piscine I), and Turn 19 (Antony Noghès) back to the finish.

- In addition, the speed bumps across the run-off at Turns 15 and 16 (Piscine II) have been removed and replaced by one speed bump parallel to the track after the kerb on the apex of Turn 16.

- Improvements to the TecPro barriers have been made at Turns 1, 4, 11, 12 and 15, while extra guardrail posts have been added between Turns 1 and 3 (Massenet) and Turns 4 and 5.

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I wonder if the Mercedes boat will be on the track or the marina. I'll put my money on short wheelbase Ferrari in the hands of Vettel. Mercedes roughly 0.2 behind, and Red Bull a further 0.4 behind.

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Is rain expected during the weekend?
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UnlikeUday wrote:Is rain expected during the weekend?
France expects rain on Sunday, over just about the entire west of the country. But you never really know with weather fronts.
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lamo wrote:I think Ricciardo and Hamilton were dead even last year in the dry, Hamilton just didn't get a proper lap in with 1 disjointed run. I hope Red Bull can join the battle this weekend but they don't seem as strong or capable as last year.
Make of it what you will, but Red Bull was actually closer to pole in Spain this year than they were last year (albeit with Verstappen, not Ricciardo). If they make the same step forward in Monaco they did in 2016, they'll be right there for the win. :thumbup:
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lamo wrote:I think Ricciardo and Hamilton were dead even last year in the dry, Hamilton just didn't get a proper lap in with 1 disjointed run. I hope Red Bull can join the battle this weekend but they don't seem as strong or capable as last year.
Make of it what you will, but Red Bull was actually closer to pole in Spain this year than they were last year (albeit with Verstappen, not Ricciardo). If they make the same step forward in Monaco they did in 2016, they'll be right there for the win. :thumbup:
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Ricciardo was +0.680 off Hamilton last year in Spain and +0.400 off Rosberg who he beat for the pole.

This year Verstappen was +0.650 and Ricciardo +1.0 second. I guess its debatable which chassis was better in Spain

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How many crashes can we expect this entire weekend?

The wider cars surely will be a tight squeeze. Not to forget those moments where 1 driver tries to overtake another with the added factor of risk of collision.

I'll go with 5.
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UnlikeUday wrote:How many crashes can we expect this entire weekend?

The wider cars surely will be a tight squeeze. Not to forget those moments where 1 driver tries to overtake another with the added factor of risk of collision.

I'll go with 5.
Well, Stroll and Palmer are pretty much a given, so there's two to start. If we're talking over the entire weekend, one of them might very well crash twice. Max is likely to crash at least once, based on past form, and Massa usually crashes in Monaco as well...

I'll go with 7.
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UnlikeUday wrote:How many crashes can we expect this entire weekend?

The wider cars surely will be a tight squeeze. Not to forget those moments where 1 driver tries to overtake another with the added factor of risk of collision.

I'll go with 5.
Well, Stroll and Palmer are pretty much a given, so there's two to start. If we're talking over the entire weekend, one of them might very well crash twice. Max is likely to crash at least once, based on past form, and Massa usually crashes in Monaco as well...

I'll go with 7.
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I think Stroll for sure and Palmer maybe will have a ding or two at some point. Ocon hasn't raced here either like Stroll so maybe him too but his car's good and he's looked the part so it's less likely for me.

Don't think the top 6 will have an issue but the start could be tasty for everyone with these big ol' things, I'd be surprised if we didn't have an issue at the start somewhere through the grid.

I think Max will add some control to the pace he's shown around here and have a good weekend without any dings. If he beats Dan around here clearly I think I might start worrying a bit for Dan but it's still early.

Someone outside the Top 10 will pit in the first couple of laps and get rid of the US and try a 1 stop. Or if one of the Bull boys get a poor start they might try something similar through not having much to lose. They could interfere with what's going on at the sharp end and hold someone up and cause some chaos.

Looking forward to it, Lewis looked hooked up in S3 in Spain with the new updates and has gone very well around here the last few years so I think he'll get the win. Seb and the Ferrari are more than good enough to trouble him though so it'll be interesting. I don't think their teammates will trouble them this weekend but it'll be interesting to see what happens if one of them does in qualifying and is holding the other up in the race.
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Exediron wrote:
UnlikeUday wrote:How many crashes can we expect this entire weekend?

The wider cars surely will be a tight squeeze. Not to forget those moments where 1 driver tries to overtake another with the added factor of risk of collision.

I'll go with 5.
Well, Stroll and Palmer are pretty much a given, so there's two to start. If we're talking over the entire weekend, one of them might very well crash twice. Max is likely to crash at least once, based on past form, and Massa usually crashes in Monaco as well...

I'll go with 7.
I was writing my monster post when you posted this but it looks like we're thinking along the same lines.

Stroll-2
Palmer-1
Others-5

I'll go with 8.
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Lotus49 wrote:Looking forward to it, Lewis looked hooked up in S3 in Spain with the new updates and has gone very well around here the last few years so I think he'll get the win. Seb and the Ferrari are more than good enough to trouble him though so it'll be interesting. I don't think their teammates will trouble them this weekend but it'll be interesting to see what happens if one of them does in qualifying and is holding the other up in the race.
I personally think that the S3 difference in Spain was down to driving (Lewis nailed it, Seb flubbed it) and the Ferrari will be the faster car here. But we'll find out soon enough! :thumbup: :]
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Exediron wrote:
Lotus49 wrote:Looking forward to it, Lewis looked hooked up in S3 in Spain with the new updates and has gone very well around here the last few years so I think he'll get the win. Seb and the Ferrari are more than good enough to trouble him though so it'll be interesting. I don't think their teammates will trouble them this weekend but it'll be interesting to see what happens if one of them does in qualifying and is holding the other up in the race.
I personally think that the S3 difference in Spain was down to driving (Lewis nailed it, Seb flubbed it) and the Ferrari will be the faster car here. But we'll find out soon enough! :thumbup: :]
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Exediron wrote:
Lotus49 wrote:Looking forward to it, Lewis looked hooked up in S3 in Spain with the new updates and has gone very well around here the last few years so I think he'll get the win. Seb and the Ferrari are more than good enough to trouble him though so it'll be interesting. I don't think their teammates will trouble them this weekend but it'll be interesting to see what happens if one of them does in qualifying and is holding the other up in the race.
I personally think that the S3 difference in Spain was down to driving (Lewis nailed it, Seb flubbed it) and the Ferrari will be the faster car here. But we'll find out soon enough! :thumbup: :]
Could well be right, Seb did say he was having issues with it and they were the strongest in S3 in Russia iirc so I can see the potential for Ferrari having the best car for sure. :thumbup:
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Seb will be quickest after the first Q3 run, then in the final attempt Kimi will bin it on the sausage kerbs and Lewis has to back off after being up in the first 2 sectors.

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Exediron wrote:Anybody wanna try to predict the pole time? Sebastian Vettel's all-time pole record of 1:13.556 seems sure to be beaten this year, but how low will they go? Over the course of the season so far, the poles have been:

Australia: -1.649 seconds faster
China: -3.724 seconds faster
Bahrain: -0.724 seconds faster
Russia: -2.223 seconds faster
Spain: -2.851 seconds faster

All they need to improve over last year's pole to set a new record is -0.066. With these cars producing a dramatically higher amount of mechanical grip as well as aerodynamic downforce, I'm expecting something in the mid-to-low 1:12s.

Guesses?
This confused me a bit! :lol: I wondered why all the times looked slower. I read -1.649 seconds faster as minus 1.649 seconds faster. I then though all of them were then that amount of time slower. Having a "-" before them seemed to have mixed me up. I wondered why all of the pole times were slower!

I do think Monaco should be a fair bit faster though.

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MistaVega23 wrote:Seb will be quickest after the first Q3 run, then in the final attempt Kimi will bin it on the sausage kerbs and Lewis has to back off after being up in the first 2 sectors.

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Will Stroll / Palmer finish in the top 10 or set the fastest lap?
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Q1 is going to be mayhem! Can expect shock exits in Q1 due to double yellows / red flags.
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UnlikeUday wrote:
MistaVega23 wrote:Seb will be quickest after the first Q3 run, then in the final attempt Kimi will bin it on the sausage kerbs and Lewis has to back off after being up in the first 2 sectors.

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Will Stroll / Palmer finish in the top 10 or set the fastest lap?
I'm expecting Stroll to get into Q2, Palmer on the other hand....
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Bottas looking impressive

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Exediron wrote:All they need to improve over last year's pole to set a new record is -0.066. With these cars producing a dramatically higher amount of mechanical grip as well as aerodynamic downforce, I'm expecting something in the mid-to-low 1:12s.
Bottas is only 0,2 off as I write this, so it looks like I might have been conservative with a low 1:12! 8O
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Lewis Hamilton has officially just set the fastest ever lap around Monaco. In FP1.

These cars are frikkin' QUICK!
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David Croft getting shirty with "the internet". That guy is a total bellend. Wish Sky would drop him.

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Exediron wrote:Lewis Hamilton has officially just set the fastest ever lap around Monaco. In FP1.

These cars are frikkin' QUICK!
Jesus wept 8O

I'm predicting a low 1:11/high 1:10 for Q3.
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These Toro Rossos are pretty impressive, too! 7/8 on the harder tyre. They're right up there with Bottas and Ricciardo when you adjust for the tyre difference!
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Exediron wrote:These Toro Rossos are pretty impressive, too! 7/8 on the harder tyre. They're right up there with Bottas and Ricciardo when you adjust for the tyre difference!
Yeah that's very impressive, but maybe also suggests there is still a big chunk to come from the top teams.

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Raikkonen looking out of shape, if not speed!
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UnlikeUday wrote:Raikkonen looking out of shape, if not speed!
Wish I could amend my Pick 10 now - I had him down for the win :uhoh:
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Lojik wrote:
Exediron wrote:These Toro Rossos are pretty impressive, too! 7/8 on the harder tyre. They're right up there with Bottas and Ricciardo when you adjust for the tyre difference!
Yeah that's very impressive, but maybe also suggests there is still a big chunk to come from the top teams.
Didn't see the fastest laps but on the low 14 laps they looked pedestrian through swimming pool, can't wait to watch qualifying :D

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Lojik wrote:David Croft getting shirty with "the internet". That guy is a total bellend. Wish Sky would drop him.
I shouldn't care but.. what did he say?
Totally agree btw

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Lojik wrote:David Croft getting shirty with "the internet". That guy is a total bellend. Wish Sky would drop him.
Watch Channel 4 then you don't have to listen to him ;) You get commentates that actually talk about the sport rather than other nonsense. It is a relief every time Channel 4 does the coverage for the weekend to me! If Channel 4 don't continue doing highlights in 2019, I'm hoping it will be Brundle and Coulthard doing the commentary from then on with Sky. When they were together in 2011, they were brilliant.

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Sevenfest wrote:
Lojik wrote:David Croft getting shirty with "the internet". That guy is a total bellend. Wish Sky would drop him.
I shouldn't care but.. what did he say?
Totally agree btw
Sticking up for Palmer against a backdrop of tweets telling the truth. Reckons the fact he's a GP2 Champion proves he's can't be out of his depth in F1.

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