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mds wrote:

nixxxon wrote:

mds wrote:

Laz_T800 wrote:fantastic to see The Doctor back on the top step and in good form.

It's funny, isn't it? Two years ago - "well, this is/was certainly his last chance at the title". Last year - "well, if he keeps it on track, he might win this title".
And now this year, who can't see him contending for the title at this stage, having outperformed Vinales the past two races?

Well, Viñales keeps getting the chinese tires, sooner or later he will get the good ones and be up there again.

If I were a betting guy, I would avoid betting on MotoGP at all costs because its like a lottery.

Well at this stage it does look like that...

I'd also like to point out Zarco should stop being the soft tyre hero. It helps him in the first stage of races, but then he drops back as his tyres are degrading. His final result is often still OK but if he is really serious about trying for a win, then I'm not sure he has the right approach to it.

Well Zarco has nothing to lose being on a satellite bike, its ok to try different stuff

That was a a spectacular race weekend. All three categories were classics!

The Moto2 race might be the best in the history of the category. Unbelievable battling start to finish. Very impressed with Morbidelli. I hope he gets that Premac Ducati ride next year because he really is impressive.

IN MotoGP, it seems Rossi always wins right when you're about to write him off. A very entertaining race and a great results for the championship. Ross, Iannone, Vinales and Marquez are now all within a few points of the lead. It's going to be an interesting championship! On a side note, Vinales really has to work on his consistency. he has looked to be the fastest man overall this year but his performance is too up and down. He'll need to iron that out if he wants to become champion.

sandman1347 wrote: The Moto2 race might be the best in the history of the category. Unbelievable battling start to finish. Very impressed with Morbidelli. I hope he gets that Premac Ducati ride next year because he really is impressive.

Morbidelli is confirmed to be in MotoGP next year, replacing either Miller or Rabat next year at Marc VDS (probably Rabat...).

mds wrote:

sandman1347 wrote: The Moto2 race might be the best in the history of the category. Unbelievable battling start to finish. Very impressed with Morbidelli. I hope he gets that Premac Ducati ride next year because he really is impressive.

Morbidelli is conformed to be in MotoGP next year, replacing either Miller or Rabat next year at Marc VDS (probably Rabat...).

That's good to know, wasn't aware of that.

nixxxon wrote:

mds wrote:

Laz_T800 wrote:fantastic to see The Doctor back on the top step and in good form.

It's funny, isn't it? Two years ago - "well, this is/was certainly his last chance at the title". Last year - "well, if he keeps it on track, he might win this title".
And now this year, who can't see him contending for the title at this stage, having outperformed Vinales the past two races?

Well, Viñales keeps getting the chinese tires, sooner or later he will get the good ones and be up there again.

If I were a betting guy, I would avoid betting on MotoGP at all costs because its like a lottery.

Where did this "Chinese tires" theory come from?

ferrar1sta wrote:

nixxxon wrote:

mds wrote:

Laz_T800 wrote:fantastic to see The Doctor back on the top step and in good form.

It's funny, isn't it? Two years ago - "well, this is/was certainly his last chance at the title". Last year - "well, if he keeps it on track, he might win this title".
And now this year, who can't see him contending for the title at this stage, having outperformed Vinales the past two races?

Well, Viñales keeps getting the chinese tires, sooner or later he will get the good ones and be up there again.

If I were a betting guy, I would avoid betting on MotoGP at all costs because its like a lottery.

Where did this "Chinese tires" theory come from?

Its a bit of a joke, but it could well be true that they mix up better and worse tires and they randomnly give them to everyone because its so strange to see all those crazy ups and downs from so many riders. Viñales, Pedrosa, Marquez, the Ducatis, just crazy ups and downs in performance from so many riders depending on the track.

mds wrote:

sandman1347 wrote: The Moto2 race might be the best in the history of the category. Unbelievable battling start to finish. Very impressed with Morbidelli. I hope he gets that Premac Ducati ride next year because he really is impressive.

Morbidelli is confirmed to be in MotoGP next year, replacing either Miller or Rabat next year at Marc VDS (probably Rabat...).

I'll be amazed if it isn't Tito. He's 28 now, and hasn't really kicked on since his first Moto2 championship. It's good news for Taka Nakagami though, because Frankie was competition for the second LCR bike next year.

No way in my mind Rabat keeps his seat, I don't feel he's performed at all.

Hope Crutchlow gets a shot at taking Pedrosa's ride at some point. I can't see Pedrosa going on two more years. How many are they going to give him on that bike?

Given Lorenzo's performance this year, maybe Petrucci should be given a shot on the factory Ducati lol.

I catch the race highlighs and occasional race, I used to watch a lot more when it was on none pay per view in the UK. Why is Lorenzo so slow this year? I have always rated Dovi, but Jorge is up there in the top 3-4 riders of this millennium. Is it the Ducati curse again?

Lorenzos style doesnt suit Ducati. He's as fast as anyone when all the stars align, but even in the Yamaha days when there issues he was off the pace.

Crutchlow has a 2017 Honda. Cant believe people still call for him to take Pedrosas seat

Good race today, people messing up strategy meaning plenty of top riders had to charge through the field.

lamo wrote:I catch the race highlighs and occasional race, I used to watch a lot more when it was on none pay per view in the UK. Why is Lorenzo so slow this year? I have always rated Dovi, but Jorge is up there in the top 3-4 riders of this millennium. Is it the Ducati curse again?

Lorenzo led the race before the pitstops. Only to find his bike wasn't ready. Which is odd, because it was the pit that called him in.

He is still adapting to the bike, and the team to him. He'll get there.

Cold Gin wrote:No way in my mind Rabat keeps his seat, I don't feel he's performed at all.

Jack Miller was supposed to replace Scott Redding at Pramac, but the deal has stalled. If it goes through, Tito might keep that ride.
He doesn't deserve it at all, but he might luck out.

Zazu wrote:Lorenzos style doesnt suit Ducati. He's as fast as anyone when all the stars align, but even in the Yamaha days when there issues he was off the pace.

Crutchlow has a 2017 Honda. Cant believe people still call for him to take Pedrosas seat

Good race today, people messing up strategy meaning plenty of top riders had to charge through the field.

I'm not sure were Lorenzo's next contract will come from, he is very much on the slide.

Crutchlow has a nice little niche for himself as the top Honda Independent and from what I've heard he quite likes were he is away from the pressure of the works team, he knows his limitations and Honda like having him around with his occasional stand out performance.

These races were riders have to change bikes mid race helps to highlight the genius of Marquez, it's no coincidence that he always wins these races.

huggybear wrote:

Cold Gin wrote:No way in my mind Rabat keeps his seat, I don't feel he's performed at all.

Jack Miller was supposed to replace Scott Redding at Pramac, but the deal has stalled. If it goes through, Tito might keep that ride.
He doesn't deserve it at all, but he might luck out.

Miller knows he only has 1 year left at Honda so it's wise for him to jump ship before he is pushed, Rabat then merely gets one extra year before he is also given the push, while Redding probably looks for a ride in Super Bikes.

Great race for Marquez. It was quite useful that he was sliding backwards through the field in that it probably prompted him to pit on the basis that (i) he'd little to lose and much to gain and (ii) all those ahead of him would not see what he was doing and perhaps delay their own change(s).
I do not understand why Rossi and Dovi stayed out for so long - it's not the first time that Rossi has blown a race by staying on the wrong tyre for too long either! Was it simply another gamble that backfired?

tootsie323 wrote:Great race for Marquez. It was quite useful that he was sliding backwards through the field in that it probably prompted him to pit on the basis that (i) he'd little to lose and much to gain and (ii) all those ahead of him would not see what he was doing and perhaps delay their own change(s).
I do not understand why Rossi and Dovi stayed out for so long - it's not the first time that Rossi has blown a race by staying on the wrong tyre for too long either! Was it simply another gamble that backfired?

I think it's having the confidence to ride on slick tyres on a track that is not quite fully dry, this is one reason why Marquez always wins these kind of races, it was said that Marquez's out lap was quicker than riders that stopped 2 and 3 laps after him.

However it's true that he was struggling at the beginning of the race but apparently there's a rumour that his Mother tweeted after the race that knowing he was about to stop he made sure all his title rivals were in front of him before he pitted.

pokerman wrote:

tootsie323 wrote:Great race for Marquez. It was quite useful that he was sliding backwards through the field in that it probably prompted him to pit on the basis that (i) he'd little to lose and much to gain and (ii) all those ahead of him would not see what he was doing and perhaps delay their own change(s).
I do not understand why Rossi and Dovi stayed out for so long - it's not the first time that Rossi has blown a race by staying on the wrong tyre for too long either! Was it simply another gamble that backfired?

I think it's having the confidence to ride on slick tyres on a track that is not quite fully dry, this is one reason why Marquez always wins these kind of races, it was said that Marquez's out lap was quicker than riders that stopped 2 and 3 laps after him.

However it's true that he was struggling at the beginning of the race but apparently there's a rumour that his Mother tweeted after the race that knowing he was about to stop he made sure all his title rivals were in front of him before he pitted.

I did wonder whether he had genuinely chewed up those wets or whether he was riding a bit smart! Either way, he's such an impressive talent.

Dovi!!!! WHAT.A.RACE!!!!!!

Zazu wrote:Lorenzos style doesnt suit Ducati. He's as fast as anyone when all the stars align, but even in the Yamaha days when there issues he was off the pace.

Crutchlow has a 2017 Honda. Cant believe people still call for him to take Pedrosas seat

Good race today, people messing up strategy meaning plenty of top riders had to charge through the field.

You must be out of your mind if you think that Crutchlow gets the same support, mechanics, software techs, etc. at LCR that Prsrosa and Marquez get at the factory squad. Yes, it's the same spec bike, but there's an entire universe in support that differs between the two teams.

I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

Yeah Marquez is a fenominal talent. He seem to have learned that sometimes it's better to settle for 2nd or whatever if that's what it takes to bring points home.
It's a shame he and Rossi had a fallout (was it last year?) I lost quite a bit of respect for both of them after that. But they seem to have forgotten it and seem to get along well again atleast.

Marquez is still the guy I'm rooting for though, and Rossi.

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch.

You missed the best race in a long time. And there aren't many bad ones either!
Marquez is doing fine, but I hope another rider will have the better second half of the season.

Great racing in Austria. Theres a slowmo of the last corner, Marquez' bike is almost horizontal

Can't see anyone beating Marquez to the title with the tracks remaining. Ominous in the post race press conference when he said he is comfortable going flat out as he can feel the limits of the bikes again now. Which is a big shame as Ive already booked my Valencia holiday expecting a title showdown

Joan Mir cruised to the Moto3 win. His performances are too good to be true; reminds me of the early part of Kents title winning year with the Leopard team.

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

He's already in the Rossi bracket. He only lost the 2011 Moto2 title because he missed the last 2 races with blurred vision. If he stays motivated and healthy he is going to rewrite every stat.




Crutchlow doesn't have the same input on bike development but he's even admitted himself hes often sat on exactly the same spec bike as the factory riders. The mechanic in charge of gearbox will come straight from HRC, from third party parts (Ohlins/Michelin) straight from them etc. 15th today, admittedly it was an exciting race but not one mention of his subpar performance in commentary, if it was Pedrosa (or any factory rider) theyd be calling for his head

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

It will probably take him a full career to achieve all the things that Rossi has achieved, he has about a third of Rossi's wins and a third of his podiums for instance.

The problem for Marquez may come not as much from the riders he competes against now but the ones he may have to compete against in the future, Rossi was untouchable in the first part of his career, then along came Stoner, then Lorenzo and titles and wins became that much harder.

Rossi's last title win came in 2009 when he was 30 years old, maybe a combination of age and increased competition played it's part in things becoming more difficult for him, with that in mind Marquez might be almost halfway through his peek years already?

Warheart01 wrote:Yeah Marquez is a fenominal talent. He seem to have learned that sometimes it's better to settle for 2nd or whatever if that's what it takes to bring points home.
It's a shame he and Rossi had a fallout (was it last year?) I lost quite a bit of respect for both of them after that. But they seem to have forgotten it and seem to get along well again atleast.

Marquez is still the guy I'm rooting for though, and Rossi.

Marquez hardly settled for second place, he was close to crashing his bike in the final corner and Dovi criticised him for the maneuver.

Zazu wrote:Great racing in Austria. Theres a slowmo of the last corner, Marquez' bike is almost horizontal

Can't see anyone beating Marquez to the title with the tracks remaining. Ominous in the post race press conference when he said he is comfortable going flat out as he can feel the limits of the bikes again now. Which is a big shame as Ive already booked my Valencia holiday expecting a title showdown

Joan Mir cruised to the Moto3 win. His performances are too good to be true; reminds me of the early part of Kents title winning year with the Leopard team.

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

He's already in the Rossi bracket. He only lost the 2011 Moto2 title because he missed the last 2 races with blurred vision. If he stays motivated and healthy he is going to rewrite every stat.




Crutchlow doesn't have the same input on bike development but he's even admitted himself hes often sat on exactly the same spec bike as the factory riders. The mechanic in charge of gearbox will come straight from HRC, from third party parts (Ohlins/Michelin) straight from them etc. 15th today, admittedly it was an exciting race but not one mention of his subpar performance in commentary, if it was Pedrosa (or any factory rider) theyd be calling for his head

That's interesting to read about Marquez that will also mean less chance of him binning the bike as well.

With reference to Mir this is only his second season in Moto3 and in the World Championship, Kent had 5 seasons at that level including Moto2 and 3 seasons in Moto3 before winning the title.

Kent basically beat less experienced riders, 16 and 17 year old kids in the main, when he goes up to the next level he gets found wanting, Mir came in had a solid first season then is dominating this season, he's looking something special and has already been signed up by MarcVDS for Moto2 next season.

Can we still get Monday highlights on ITV4 or similar?

Miller to Pramac and Redding to Gresini officially confirmed. Big rumours going round that Stefan Bradl will replace Tito at Marc VDS, and Xavier Simeon will get a seat at Avintia on account of having very deep pockets.

pokerman wrote:

Warheart01 wrote:Yeah Marquez is a fenominal talent. He seem to have learned that sometimes it's better to settle for 2nd or whatever if that's what it takes to bring points home.
It's a shame he and Rossi had a fallout (was it last year?) I lost quite a bit of respect for both of them after that. But they seem to have forgotten it and seem to get along well again atleast.

Marquez is still the guy I'm rooting for though, and Rossi.

Marquez hardly settled for second place, he was close to crashing his bike in the final corner and Dovi criticised him for the maneuver.

I couldn't watch the race, and wasn't speaking about that one specifically but of how he used to be a few seasons ago. Crashing out because he pushed to hard in an attempt to win.
He has gotten better at settling for points.

Warheart01 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Warheart01 wrote:Yeah Marquez is a fenominal talent. He seem to have learned that sometimes it's better to settle for 2nd or whatever if that's what it takes to bring points home.
It's a shame he and Rossi had a fallout (was it last year?) I lost quite a bit of respect for both of them after that. But they seem to have forgotten it and seem to get along well again atleast.

Marquez is still the guy I'm rooting for though, and Rossi.

Marquez hardly settled for second place, he was close to crashing his bike in the final corner and Dovi criticised him for the maneuver.

I couldn't watch the race, and wasn't speaking about that one specifically but of how he used to be a few seasons ago. Crashing out because he pushed to hard in an attempt to win.
He has gotten better at settling for points.

Well generally speaking I would agree with you there but this race wasn't an example of that, he very much was gunning for the win.

Yes, agree.

pokerman wrote:

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

It will probably take him a full career to achieve all the things that Rossi has achieved, he has about a third of Rossi's wins and a third of his podiums for instance.

The problem for Marquez may come not as much from the riders he competes against now but the ones he may have to compete against in the future, Rossi was untouchable in the first part of his career, then along came Stoner, then Lorenzo and titles and wins became that much harder.

Rossi's last title win came in 2009 when he was 30 years old, maybe a combination of age and increased competition played it's part in things becoming more difficult for him, with that in mind Marquez might be almost halfway through his peek years already?

Although racing against some good opponents (usually only 1 a year if that) I don't think that Rossi had to content with the amount of competition that Marquez has been and will be facing. If Marquez comes anywhere close to Rossi's number it will be a lot more impressive than what Rossi achieved by a long shot.

cucoloco wrote:

pokerman wrote:

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

It will probably take him a full career to achieve all the things that Rossi has achieved, he has about a third of Rossi's wins and a third of his podiums for instance.

The problem for Marquez may come not as much from the riders he competes against now but the ones he may have to compete against in the future, Rossi was untouchable in the first part of his career, then along came Stoner, then Lorenzo and titles and wins became that much harder.

Rossi's last title win came in 2009 when he was 30 years old, maybe a combination of age and increased competition played it's part in things becoming more difficult for him, with that in mind Marquez might be almost halfway through his peek years already?

Although racing against some good opponents (usually only 1 a year if that) I don't think that Rossi had to content with the amount of competition that Marquez has been and will be facing. If Marquez comes anywhere close to Rossi's number it will be a lot more impressive than what Rossi achieved by a long shot.

Yes I would agree with that.

pokerman wrote:

cucoloco wrote:

pokerman wrote:

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

It will probably take him a full career to achieve all the things that Rossi has achieved, he has about a third of Rossi's wins and a third of his podiums for instance.

The problem for Marquez may come not as much from the riders he competes against now but the ones he may have to compete against in the future, Rossi was untouchable in the first part of his career, then along came Stoner, then Lorenzo and titles and wins became that much harder.

Rossi's last title win came in 2009 when he was 30 years old, maybe a combination of age and increased competition played it's part in things becoming more difficult for him, with that in mind Marquez might be almost halfway through his peek years already?

Although racing against some good opponents (usually only 1 a year if that) I don't think that Rossi had to content with the amount of competition that Marquez has been and will be facing. If Marquez comes anywhere close to Rossi's number it will be a lot more impressive than what Rossi achieved by a long shot.

Yes I would agree with that.

I'm just gutted Stoner hasn't been around the last few years to add to the mix.

DOLOMITE wrote:

pokerman wrote:

cucoloco wrote:

pokerman wrote:

lamo wrote:I missed the race again, I never remember to watch. Just looking at the results and season form. It seems like Marquez is on for title number 4? He is putting together consistent podiums now and everybody else seems inconsistent.

4 world titles in 5 years would be an extraordinary achievement. How long before he is put into the Rossi bracket? He is an amazing talent and still only 24 years old

It will probably take him a full career to achieve all the things that Rossi has achieved, he has about a third of Rossi's wins and a third of his podiums for instance.

The problem for Marquez may come not as much from the riders he competes against now but the ones he may have to compete against in the future, Rossi was untouchable in the first part of his career, then along came Stoner, then Lorenzo and titles and wins became that much harder.

Rossi's last title win came in 2009 when he was 30 years old, maybe a combination of age and increased competition played it's part in things becoming more difficult for him, with that in mind Marquez might be almost halfway through his peek years already?

Although racing against some good opponents (usually only 1 a year if that) I don't think that Rossi had to content with the amount of competition that Marquez has been and will be facing. If Marquez comes anywhere close to Rossi's number it will be a lot more impressive than what Rossi achieved by a long shot.

Yes I would agree with that.

I'm just gutted Stoner hasn't been around the last few years to add to the mix.

Unfortunately he just didn't have the fortitude to carry on, he still loves riding the bikes but not so much the wheel to wheel combat perhaps?

I'm going to post this in here as well:

I'm going to Silverstone for the first time this weekend for the MotoGP. I bought a general admission ticket so I have a good few options. Where would be good for the bikes? Does there be much action at Stowe or Copse? Or am I better off watching them navigate Maggots/Becketts?

pokerman wrote:

DOLOMITE wrote:I'm just gutted Stoner hasn't been around the last few years to add to the mix.

Unfortunately he just didn't have the fortitude to carry on, he still loves riding the bikes but not so much the wheel to wheel combat perhaps?

I was under the impression it was the whole media / publicity circus he was not happy with. He seemed quite happy with wheel-to-wheel racing (notwithstanding a couple of high-profile incidents with Rossi).

mcdo wrote:I'm going to post this in here as well:

I'm going to Silverstone for the first time this weekend for the MotoGP. I bought a general admission ticket so I have a good few options. Where would be good for the bikes? Does there be much action at Stowe or Copse? Or am I better off watching them navigate Maggots/Becketts?

I went for the first time last year and had a grandstand seat at Woodcote for the start and podium, but a friend had GA tickets and sat at the middle of Luffield, and he said there was loads of action in all 3 categories.

Enjoy the weekend!

tootsie323 wrote:

pokerman wrote:

DOLOMITE wrote:I'm just gutted Stoner hasn't been around the last few years to add to the mix.

Unfortunately he just didn't have the fortitude to carry on, he still loves riding the bikes but not so much the wheel to wheel combat perhaps?

I was under the impression it was the whole media / publicity circus he was not happy with. He seemed quite happy with wheel-to-wheel racing (notwithstanding a couple of high-profile incidents with Rossi).

Yeah it was the travel and the politics. Such a shame though - he was great to to watch and definitely in the top tier so should have been there bashing fairings with Rossi, Marquez, Vinales etc.

Have to say though having watched the Czech race, what a ride by Dovi! That was class. If he can ride like that all year he'll be right in the mix.

MistaVega23 wrote:

mcdo wrote:I'm going to post this in here as well:

I'm going to Silverstone for the first time this weekend for the MotoGP. I bought a general admission ticket so I have a good few options. Where would be good for the bikes? Does there be much action at Stowe or Copse? Or am I better off watching them navigate Maggots/Becketts?

I went for the first time last year and had a grandstand seat at Woodcote for the start and podium, but a friend had GA tickets and sat at the middle of Luffield, and he said there was loads of action in all 3 categories.

Enjoy the weekend!

Excellent, thank you