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SchumieRules wrote:

MikeV1987 wrote:Michael Schumacher will be given a parting gift by Mercedes when he retires at the end of the season. According to German publication Bild, the 43-year-old is set to keep the F1 W03 chassis he guided to pole position for the 2012 Monaco Grand Prix.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2864 ... well-gift/

Good luck with that, I remember last time when a driver tried to get a chassis from Brawn (poor poor Jenson!)

I think Brawn knows he owes Michael something after three years of mediocre cars and results. He owed Jenson nothing really.

Laura23 wrote:

SchumieRules wrote:

MikeV1987 wrote:Michael Schumacher will be given a parting gift by Mercedes when he retires at the end of the season. According to German publication Bild, the 43-year-old is set to keep the F1 W03 chassis he guided to pole position for the 2012 Monaco Grand Prix.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2864 ... well-gift/

Good luck with that, I remember last time when a driver tried to get a chassis from Brawn (poor poor Jenson!)

I think Brawn knows he owes Michael something after three years of mediocre cars and results. He owed Jenson nothing really.

That's true. I was only joking

Minichamps are releasing a monaco pole position car and Valencia podium car...yaay

shivyf1 wrote:Minichamps are releasing a monaco pole position car and Valencia podium car...yaay

Minichamps? What are they?

Eva09 wrote:

shivyf1 wrote:Minichamps are releasing a monaco pole position car and Valencia podium car...yaay

Minichamps? What are they?

Model car company. Very accurate models but in my opinion overpriced especially as they're made inexpensively in China.

It's a shame this didn't work out for Schumi. But eh, nobody can reasonably argue with 5 straight WDCs.

I felt a bit sorry for Michael yesterday. He was running in 7th place when he got his puncture. Seems like all of his luck is completely gone. The reason I felt sorry is not because I wanted Mercedes to have points, but because Schumi could easily have been racing around like he couldn't care less. The fact he still stays motivated for a complete GP knowing it'll be all over soon, and knowing how the season could have looked a lot different if he hadn't had all the failures, seems enough for me to cheer a bit for him

MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

IN MERCEDES' OPINION you're wrong.

Old Kraut wrote:He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team.

Except pole position at Monaco

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's been a waste of time, i'm sure he has given the team a lot in the way of knowledge and experience even if his driving has struggled since his return. Teams don't just give away race cars, i'm sure he has helped a lot. He does need to vacate that seat though.

Can we just remind everyone in this thread that it is neither a Michael Schumacher Supporters Thread. It isn't a thread designed for people to be constantly negative about him either. It is a discussion thread and so positive and negative opinions are allowed.

shogun wrote:

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's been a waste of time, i'm sure he has given the team a lot in the way of knowledge and experience even if his driving has struggled since his return. Teams don't just give away race cars, i'm sure he has helped a lot. He does need to vacate that seat though.

why does he?

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

F246 wrote:

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

It's not criticizing Hamilton, though...

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

Well it's just a matter of opinion, he was the fastest in Monaco on that ay, simple as!

Guys make sure you look out for my banner on turn 11 on the grand stand on the exit of the hairpin, my Schumi banner will be up!

F246 wrote:

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.
Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

tommymarshall16 wrote:

F246 wrote:

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.
Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

LKS1 wrote:

tommymarshall16 wrote:

F246 wrote:

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.
Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

Everyone who hates Schumi always brings up the Bridgestones. And he had launch control on the Benetton. What else can we say about him that was never proven?

What's most annoying about these hater commernts is that Mercedes won in China and MSC probably would have finished second. Merc threw a ton of money into F1 and goes to show you how money spent unwisely is money lost. I wouldn't go as far as to say MSC or Rosberg are the two best drivers on the grid but in this age of F1 where machinery is paramount to success, if either Merc driver was in a RBR, Ferrari or mclaren they each would have won 2 or more races this year. I don't know how people can't see it. It's like they turn on the race, fall asleep, wake up for an incident and conclude Schumacher sucks. All these guys are pretty darn good, mentally and physically fit. If the car stinks, you ain't winning, get it once and for all.

LKS1 wrote:

tommymarshall16 wrote:

F246 wrote:

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.
Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

Michael hasn't been able to tune into the tyres for the last three years, not just this season.

Can I also burst another bubble of yours? Nico won a grand prix this year in Mercedes, long before Lotus were able to compete.

tommymarshall16 wrote:

LKS1 wrote:

tommymarshall16 wrote:

F246 wrote:

Old Kraut wrote:MS didnt get pole in Monaco, Mark Webber did. MS started 6th.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.
Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

Michael hasn't been able to tune into the tyres for the last three years, not just this season.

Can I also burst another bubble of yours? Nico won a grand prix this year in Mercedes, long before Lotus were able to compete.

Long before Lotus were able to complete? Lotus finished 2nd and 3rd in the next race.

Lotus have been strong all through the season, much stronger than Merc. Merc have been stronger in certain races, but in just a few.

Since we're bursting all kinds of bubbles...
Don't forget the races Merc was competitive, Michael was running a decent position but his car failed him...

Great performance today! No coincidence that the track is similar to some of the classic tracks like Spa and Silverstone where he did his growing up. Anyone who thinks he's over the hill should seriously reconsider. F1's loss come year end.

Hands down for your today quali Michael

Nice for an old man...where was Rosberg? Hoping for another podium tomorow but with the car pace seems impossible.
First laps a duel Schumi-Kimi-Hamilton seems possible. Webber ususally will pe 7-8 poor start.

Another great lesson from the "old" man...6th fastest in a dodgy car and faster than "champion wana be" Alonso. Hopefully he can attack for a podium tomorrow

Guys, did anyone see my banner at Turn 11? It;ll be there tomorrow so keep a lookout!!

xdan wrote:Nice for an old man...where was Rosberg? Hoping for another podium tomorow but with the car pace seems impossible.
First laps a duel Schumi-Kimi-Hamilton seems possible. Webber ususally will pe 7-8 poor start.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/11/14069.html wrote:Nico Rosberg (17th, Q2 - 1m 38.501s)
“I ran our old exhaust system in qualifying today as part of our evaluation programme for next year. We had already used it yesterday and made the decision to continue for the rest of the weekend to help with the learning process. The car felt good this morning in the cool temperatures but the difference to Michael's car surprised me this afternoon. So I hope that the race pace is better tomorrow and the switch will be worth it. I will definitely push to score points.”

Man , Rosberg always when Schumi was better especialy in qualy instead of praise or admit Schumi performance he was just finding an excuse for himself... Even though may be he is right, he could have praise Schumacher old man performance of beating the 2 Ferrari but no...meh my car was not good.

I ran our old exhaust system in qualifying today as part of our evaluation programme for next year

What evaluation....man you Mercedes cant take their 2011 car and 2012 cars and dump them to the garbage.
Only good part from this year cars it's DDRS.
They must build a car form 0.
Using 2011 and 2012 cars will bring the 2013 car to failure.
I mean the old problem of eating tires 2011/2012 car , i don't think they realized what it causing it.
I don't think they know what it's good and what it's bad in the car.

xdan wrote:Man , Rosberg always when Schumi was better especialy in qualy instead of praise or admit Schumi performance he was just finding an excuse for himself... Even though may be he is right, he could have praise Schumacher old man performance of beating the 2 Ferrari but no...meh my car was not good.

I ran our old exhaust system in qualifying today as part of our evaluation programme for next year

What evaluation....man you Mercedes cant take their 2011 car and 2012 cars and dump them to the garbage.
Only good part from this year cars it's DDRS.
They must build a car form 0.
Using 2011 and 2012 cars will bring the 2013 car to failure.
I mean the old problem of eating tires 2011/2012 car , i don't think they realized what it causing it.
I don't think they know what it's good and what it's bad in the car.

You're being a little unfair I think.
This is after Abu Dhabi quali, you don't see Michael mentioning Nico either.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 14013.html

And comparing his car performance with Nico's either.

Screw you Mercedes.

Another great result turned into disaster...

Oh well, 1 to go. Let's hope the weather can give Schumi a little boost!

Hopefully it'll rain in Brazil, maybe Schu can get a decent final result. Bleh I hate Mercedes. It's irrational fanboy based hate, but I can't help it.

XploZiV wrote:Another great result turned into disaster...

Oh well, 1 to go. Let's hope the weather can give Schumi a little boost!

The Coanda worked great in quali. Terrible in the race because of fuel consumption.

Yes that is why Lotus were testing a coanda exhaust for a long time but didn't commit to it until they were satisfied the benefits outweighed the costs.

Mercedes don't care about the race results any more so they just put it on Michaels car to get some on-track data for next years car. They knew it would be crap in the race.

Long before Lotus were able to complete? Lotus finished 2nd and 3rd in the next race.

Lotus have been strong all through the season, much stronger than Merc. Merc have been stronger in certain races, but in just a few.

I stand by my statement, Merc won a grand prix before Lotus showed any form. You even supported my argument.

I thought he had an issue with his first set of tyres. Basically that they sucked.

After he switched strategies and put a new set on his times were ok again.

There was an omen for Austin!!!!

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/11/20/even- ... aF1.com%29

Anyone has a pic of his Brazil helmet?

With the dedication to the fans?