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Generic thread to be used whenever Ecclestone opens his mouth and suggests something stupid.

Today's suggestion - standing starts after a safety car period.

If you're going to do that, why not just red flag the race?

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I guess it would be preferred not to actually stop the race?

Ross Brawn said that Bernie tends to be a bit chaotic and impulsive in the way that he thinks, I think Bernie needs pointing to the nearest retirement home.
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GingerFurball wrote:Generic thread to be used whenever Ecclestone opens his mouth and suggests something stupid.

Today's suggestion - standing starts after a safety car period.

If you're going to do that, why not just red flag the race?
Actually ( :blush: ) I think its a good idea. The cars keep doing laps and counting down the race, they do not get the heat soak problems they would in the pits engine off, and people have something too look at. More importantly, when they are lapping there is a need to go back racing as soon as possible.

The cars behind then form up on the grid while the safety car pools in at the end of pit straight, and maybe 30 seconds later we are running.
The cars are equally bunched at a restart anyway, so all gaps are lost.
There are of course some problems here, such as the grid order etc, but I think its one of his better ideas. (and boy has he had some crap ones)

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moby wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:Generic thread to be used whenever Ecclestone opens his mouth and suggests something stupid.

Today's suggestion - standing starts after a safety car period.

If you're going to do that, why not just red flag the race?
Actually ( :blush: ) I think its a good idea. The cars keep doing laps and counting down the race, they do not get the heat soak problems they would in the pits engine off, and people have something too look at. More importantly, when they are lapping there is a need to go back racing as soon as possible.

The cars behind then form up on the grid while the safety car pools in at the end of pit straight, and maybe 30 seconds later we are running.
The cars are equally bunched at a restart anyway, so all gaps are lost.
There are of course some problems here, such as the grid order etc, but I think its one of his better ideas. (and boy has he had some crap ones)
So we have a few laps to go and it's a mad scramble down to the first corner from a standing start, drivers are going to totally go for it, the erstwhile leader gets crashed out and then we have a SC finish to the end with the driver running 4th towards the end of the race winning, farcical.
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Bernie had this stupid idea once that the driver who won the most races won the championship, and they got medals...

How are you Lewis fans feeling about that stupid idea right now?
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pokerman wrote:
moby wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:Generic thread to be used whenever Ecclestone opens his mouth and suggests something stupid.

Today's suggestion - standing starts after a safety car period.

If you're going to do that, why not just red flag the race?
Actually ( :blush: ) I think its a good idea. The cars keep doing laps and counting down the race, they do not get the heat soak problems they would in the pits engine off, and people have something too look at. More importantly, when they are lapping there is a need to go back racing as soon as possible.

The cars behind then form up on the grid while the safety car pools in at the end of pit straight, and maybe 30 seconds later we are running.
The cars are equally bunched at a restart anyway, so all gaps are lost.
There are of course some problems here, such as the grid order etc, but I think its one of his better ideas. (and boy has he had some crap ones)
So we have a few laps to go and it's a mad scramble down to the first corner from a standing start, drivers are going to totally go for it, the erstwhile leader gets crashed out and then we have a SC finish to the end with the driver running 4th towards the end of the race winning, farcical.
Same as a restart behind the safety car? Once the leader crosses the line its a free for all, the only difference is they will be going slower by that point is starting from the grid.

Yes I know we will have some overdoing it and thrashing about with wheel spin, and maybe some running into others, but we get that now with a safety car.
If grid starts are unsafe, why are they used at the beginning? The same were arguments put forward when the safety car was introduced, and it was a new thing. All the drivers are used to grid starts.

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Isn't there a 1 million page thread limit? :D

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ALESI wrote:Bernie had this stupid idea once that the driver who won the most races won the championship, and they got medals...

How are you Lewis fans feeling about that stupid idea right now?
well, he wouldn't have his 2008 title...

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So a standing start after a safety car period. What if the leading car is 30 seconds ahead of second he don't just have his lead cut but can lose numerous positions at the start due to technical or driver issue. It's a free for all at the re-starts because I am guessing by the regulations next year that will be the main opportunities to gain places.

Terrible idea.
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moby wrote:
pokerman wrote:
moby wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:Generic thread to be used whenever Ecclestone opens his mouth and suggests something stupid.

Today's suggestion - standing starts after a safety car period.

If you're going to do that, why not just red flag the race?
Actually ( :blush: ) I think its a good idea. The cars keep doing laps and counting down the race, they do not get the heat soak problems they would in the pits engine off, and people have something too look at. More importantly, when they are lapping there is a need to go back racing as soon as possible.

The cars behind then form up on the grid while the safety car pools in at the end of pit straight, and maybe 30 seconds later we are running.
The cars are equally bunched at a restart anyway, so all gaps are lost.
There are of course some problems here, such as the grid order etc, but I think its one of his better ideas. (and boy has he had some crap ones)
So we have a few laps to go and it's a mad scramble down to the first corner from a standing start, drivers are going to totally go for it, the erstwhile leader gets crashed out and then we have a SC finish to the end with the driver running 4th towards the end of the race winning, farcical.
Same as a restart behind the safety car? Once the leader crosses the line its a free for all, the only difference is they will be going slower by that point is starting from the grid.

Yes I know we will have some overdoing it and thrashing about with wheel spin, and maybe some running into others, but we get that now with a safety car.
If grid starts are unsafe, why are they used at the beginning? The same were arguments put forward when the safety car was introduced, and it was a new thing. All the drivers are used to grid starts.
Standing start and safety car starts are totally different, standing start you have the potential to lose many places through no fault of your own aswell as the gap you had to your rivals.
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F1_Ernie wrote:
moby wrote:
pokerman wrote:
moby wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:Generic thread to be used whenever Ecclestone opens his mouth and suggests something stupid.

Today's suggestion - standing starts after a safety car period.

If you're going to do that, why not just red flag the race?
Actually ( :blush: ) I think its a good idea. The cars keep doing laps and counting down the race, they do not get the heat soak problems they would in the pits engine off, and people have something too look at. More importantly, when they are lapping there is a need to go back racing as soon as possible.

The cars behind then form up on the grid while the safety car pools in at the end of pit straight, and maybe 30 seconds later we are running.
The cars are equally bunched at a restart anyway, so all gaps are lost.
There are of course some problems here, such as the grid order etc, but I think its one of his better ideas. (and boy has he had some crap ones)
So we have a few laps to go and it's a mad scramble down to the first corner from a standing start, drivers are going to totally go for it, the erstwhile leader gets crashed out and then we have a SC finish to the end with the driver running 4th towards the end of the race winning, farcical.
Same as a restart behind the safety car? Once the leader crosses the line its a free for all, the only difference is they will be going slower by that point is starting from the grid.

Yes I know we will have some overdoing it and thrashing about with wheel spin, and maybe some running into others, but we get that now with a safety car.
If grid starts are unsafe, why are they used at the beginning? The same were arguments put forward when the safety car was introduced, and it was a new thing. All the drivers are used to grid starts.
Standing start and safety car starts are totally different, standing start you have the potential to lose many places through no fault of your own aswell as the gap you had to your rivals.

Many times we have seen a car go off at the safety car restart and lose places, its no different is it? What it does do is take the advantage the leader had away as they start by lights (I assume anyway) rather than when the leader is ready.

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The leader has the right to lead the pack because they was leading the race. They have already lost there time advantage so why should they have the risk of losing positions? Not just the lead driver but it could be anyone in any position.

It sounds fun but it would t last long.
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ALESI wrote:Bernie had this stupid idea once that the driver who won the most races won the championship, and they got medals...

How are you Lewis fans feeling about that stupid idea right now?
It's stupid, however I would like to see more points awarded for first and second like it use to be in the past, too much consistency being important for me.
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moby wrote:
pokerman wrote:
moby wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:Generic thread to be used whenever Ecclestone opens his mouth and suggests something stupid.

Today's suggestion - standing starts after a safety car period.

If you're going to do that, why not just red flag the race?
Actually ( :blush: ) I think its a good idea. The cars keep doing laps and counting down the race, they do not get the heat soak problems they would in the pits engine off, and people have something too look at. More importantly, when they are lapping there is a need to go back racing as soon as possible.

The cars behind then form up on the grid while the safety car pools in at the end of pit straight, and maybe 30 seconds later we are running.
The cars are equally bunched at a restart anyway, so all gaps are lost.
There are of course some problems here, such as the grid order etc, but I think its one of his better ideas. (and boy has he had some crap ones)
So we have a few laps to go and it's a mad scramble down to the first corner from a standing start, drivers are going to totally go for it, the erstwhile leader gets crashed out and then we have a SC finish to the end with the driver running 4th towards the end of the race winning, farcical.
Same as a restart behind the safety car? Once the leader crosses the line its a free for all, the only difference is they will be going slower by that point is starting from the grid.

Yes I know we will have some overdoing it and thrashing about with wheel spin, and maybe some running into others, but we get that now with a safety car.
If grid starts are unsafe, why are they used at the beginning? The same were arguments put forward when the safety car was introduced, and it was a new thing. All the drivers are used to grid starts.
How is that remotely the same?
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moby wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
moby wrote:
pokerman wrote:
moby wrote:
Actually ( :blush: ) I think its a good idea. The cars keep doing laps and counting down the race, they do not get the heat soak problems they would in the pits engine off, and people have something too look at. More importantly, when they are lapping there is a need to go back racing as soon as possible.

The cars behind then form up on the grid while the safety car pools in at the end of pit straight, and maybe 30 seconds later we are running.
The cars are equally bunched at a restart anyway, so all gaps are lost.
There are of course some problems here, such as the grid order etc, but I think its one of his better ideas. (and boy has he had some crap ones)
So we have a few laps to go and it's a mad scramble down to the first corner from a standing start, drivers are going to totally go for it, the erstwhile leader gets crashed out and then we have a SC finish to the end with the driver running 4th towards the end of the race winning, farcical.
Same as a restart behind the safety car? Once the leader crosses the line its a free for all, the only difference is they will be going slower by that point is starting from the grid.

Yes I know we will have some overdoing it and thrashing about with wheel spin, and maybe some running into others, but we get that now with a safety car.
If grid starts are unsafe, why are they used at the beginning? The same were arguments put forward when the safety car was introduced, and it was a new thing. All the drivers are used to grid starts.
Standing start and safety car starts are totally different, standing start you have the potential to lose many places through no fault of your own aswell as the gap you had to your rivals.

Many times we have seen a car go off at the safety car restart and lose places, its no different is it? What it does do is take the advantage the leader had away as they start by lights (I assume anyway) rather than when the leader is ready.
Many times, really?
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F1_Ernie wrote:The leader has the right to lead the pack because they was leading the race. They have already lost there time advantage so why should they have the risk of losing positions? Not just the lead driver but it could be anyone in any position.

It sounds fun but it would t last long.
Yep, if people want lotteries and games of chance they should go to the casino.
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pokerman wrote:
moby wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:
moby wrote:
pokerman wrote: Standing start and safety car starts are totally different, standing start you have the potential to lose many places through no fault of your own aswell as the gap you had to your rivals.

Many times we have seen a car go off at the safety car restart and lose places, its no different is it? What it does do is take the advantage the leader had away as they start by lights (I assume anyway) rather than when the leader is ready.
Many times, really?

More than I have seen from a grid restart :D

Seriously, well there is Senna for a start, and quite a few I can not quote you page and line, but I remember the,

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Awful idea. Safety Car periods are already too much of a lottery as it is.

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Ironically the stupid ideas that have actually come to fruition recently have not come from Bernie but from the esteemed faceless suits at the FIA. Bernie is just sh#t stirring, we should worry more about the direction of the FIA.

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Zoue wrote:Isn't there a 1 million page thread limit? :D
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I will not deny Bernie's had some good ideas in the past; big improvements in emergency medical care f'rexample but of late the thought process seems to have been

"I think I'll get up now"
followed by
random neural activity similar to that displayed by a bowl of Jello
until eventually
"I think I'll go to bed now"

pick from the above the idea you consider worst.

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pokerman wrote:
F1_Ernie wrote:The leader has the right to lead the pack because they was leading the race. They have already lost there time advantage so why should they have the risk of losing positions? Not just the lead driver but it could be anyone in any position.

It sounds fun but it would t last long.
Yep, if people want lotteries and games of chance they should go to the casino.
that is a great way to describe it. just like nascar "green-white-checkers" foolishness

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There used to be a Bernie stupid idea generator online lol. Wish it were still around.

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This can only ever be a very, very long thread.




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