Did Vettel cross the line today? (Radio Message to Charlie)

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Did Vettel cross the line today? (Radio Message to Charlie)

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Pretty strong stuff. Coulthard was unimpressed, and I doubt the FIA will be smiling either.

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I will be shocked if he doesn't get a massive fine for it.

But they decided to broadcast it.

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I'm glad he did tbh. In hindsight, yeah it wasn't necessary but why wait till right after the race to give the penalty to Max for an obvious penalty worthy move?

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Well them broadcasting it is there choice but given what was happening at the moment the comments were well deserved i think for The FIA not taking immediate action for something like that
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:I will be shocked if he doesn't get a massive fine for it.

But they decided to broadcast it.
Guaranteed drama, isn't it. The papers will be full of that tomorrow too, but in this PR orientated F1 world the onus is on the drivers to reel it in.

For the record, i'd have said the same thing over the radio myself, probably with a few more choice words too.
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What did he say?
Supporting Alonso, Ricciardo and Hulk.

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I am glad he did, Charlie deserves it. He needs to fback off. Max should be banned the same way Grosjean was a few years ago.

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This is a matter of trust, patience and respect. Vettel needs to keep his pie-hole shut until the stewards have time to make a decision. He generally needs to control what comes out of his pie-hole and the stewards and race control need to be consistent enough that the drivers trust them to get it right.

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Worthy of a thread?

Anyway Verstappen was acting like a tool, stewards where slow and unnecessary sluggish, than what, Vettel is guilty for venting the rightful frustration?
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It shone on a spot light on the lack of respect Vettel shows everyone when he's on track TBH.

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Yes.

But I'm sure he will apologise, we all say stupid things when we're angry and there's no bigger pressure cooker than an F1 cockpit.

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I missed it. Can anyone point us to a YouTube video pleases

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He cross any lines, but as all radio is available to the public as well as what they broadcast on tv, he should have to pay a fine. Swearing where customers can hear you in most jobs will be at minimum disciplinary action.
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I don't care. Vettel could have been 4th had he lost to Ric. It was clear that Max had to give up position.
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Verstappen was a tool there. Stewards caused that clash with Vettel and Ricciardo.

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Lt. Drebin wrote:Worthy of a thread?
Any reason why it wouldn't be? Like I said, i'd have done the same, and probably in stronger terms.
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Alienturnedhuman wrote:I will be shocked if he doesn't get a massive fine for it.

But they decided to broadcast it.
So they should get then.... a massive massive fine for it.

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Flash2k11 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:Worthy of a thread?
Any reason why it wouldn't be? Like I said, i'd have done the same, and probably in stronger terms.
OK. :thumbup:
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Yes. I imagine he'll apologise at some point.

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He crossed the line dont!

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I think it comes down to how authorities in general react to being yelled at. They weren't impressed when Hamilton accused them of being racist, so in theory the precedent has been set when it comes to laying into the FIA like that, but Vettel didn't do quite the same thing. That said, Vettel's rant was followed by the FIA doing exactly what Vettel wanted, so maybe that was their answer?

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I think he did, and I also don't think Max needed to give the place.

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It would be weird if the FIA penalised him for FOM's decision to broadcast it.

What if Vettel decided for some reason to call his own mother a sugarplum halfway through a race and FOM broadcasted that... should that be punishable?

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fieldstvl wrote:It would be weird if the FIA penalised him for FOM's decision to broadcast it.

What if Vettel decided for some reason to call his own mother a sugarplum halfway through a race and FOM broadcasted that... should that be punishable?
I think its more bringing the sport into disrepute than the actual language content and sentiment of the message.
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Yes. He deserves some sort of punishment for his behaviour today.

In most other sports if you yell at the officials to eff off then you get removed from the field of play.

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Flash2k11 wrote:
fieldstvl wrote:It would be weird if the FIA penalised him for FOM's decision to broadcast it.

What if Vettel decided for some reason to call his own mother a sugarplum halfway through a race and FOM broadcasted that... should that be punishable?
I think its more bringing the sport into disrepute than the actual language content and sentiment of the message.
I would agree if Vettel had said it on a podium interview/press conference.

It was a heat of the moment remark (with more than a grain of truth, Whiting should have been pensioned off years ago) over team radio between Vettel and his race engineer. It would be ridiculous to punish Vettel for that.

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j man wrote:Yes. He deserves some sort of punishment for his behaviour today.

In most other sports if you yell at the officials to eff off then you get removed from the field of play.
Agreed; in the NHL playoffs you'd probably get a game misconduct and a suspension for that sort of talk to a referee. I expect a hefty but totally useless fine, however - if they alter the podium a second time after hastily putting Vettel on it right after the race, that would look odd to a number of people.
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Vettel has gotten quite grumpy hasn't he? Always cursing and swearing and just generally losing his temper...

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Flash2k11 wrote:
fieldstvl wrote:It would be weird if the FIA penalised him for FOM's decision to broadcast it.

What if Vettel decided for some reason to call his own mother a sugarplum halfway through a race and FOM broadcasted that... should that be punishable?
I think its more bringing the sport into disrepute than the actual language content and sentiment of the message.
Agreed. But the point stays the same: why should he be penalised for FOM's decision to broadcast a message between driver and team?

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fieldstvl wrote:Agreed. But the point stays the same: why should he be penalised for FOM's decision to broadcast a message between driver and team?
a) Because everyone knows that those messages aren't actually private, and
b) Because it's still extremely disrespectful to the official in question.
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j man wrote:Yes. He deserves some sort of punishment for his behaviour today.

In most other sports if you yell at the officials to eff off then you get removed from the field of play.
The 'other sports' analogy doesn't really work. What if FIFA broadcasted a changing room conversation between some sportsball player and their manager and then punished them for doing so?

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Even if there is a case for 'bringing the sport into disrepute,' which I think is questionable, surely it exists in the decision to broadcast the comments to the world.

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fieldstvl wrote:
j man wrote:Yes. He deserves some sort of punishment for his behaviour today.

In most other sports if you yell at the officials to eff off then you get removed from the field of play.
The 'other sports' analogy doesn't really work. What if FIFA broadcasted a changing room conversation between some sportsball player and their manager and then punished them for doing so?
But this wasn't done in a locker room. This was done on the field, on the race track.

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Vettel is a disgrace. Unsportsmanlike, childish and arrogant.

Any respect I had for him is rapidly diminishing.

The language used over the radio by many drivers has been just dreadful, he should have the book thrown at him to set an example.
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its pretty clear seb is providing some extra entertainment but charlie should remove vettels radio

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Contrary to popular belief if you walk up to a football or rugby referee and tell them to F-off then you will be sent off.

Did Vettel cross the line in terms of language and professionalism? Yes. Did the stewards help the situation by taking so long to make a decision? No. I think most F1 fans regardless of who they support would probably have said Max should of given the place up, why it took 10 minutes to sort out I don't know.

What would have sent the whole incident into orbit would have been if Ricciardo got past Vettel for third and then Max was given the 5 second penalty after the race.

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jrwb6e wrote:
fieldstvl wrote:
j man wrote:Yes. He deserves some sort of punishment for his behaviour today.

In most other sports if you yell at the officials to eff off then you get removed from the field of play.
The 'other sports' analogy doesn't really work. What if FIFA broadcasted a changing room conversation between some sportsball player and their manager and then punished them for doing so?
But this wasn't done in a locker room. This was done on the field, on the race track.
And someone chose to broadcast it. I wonder how many times Senna called Balestre a spunktrumpet over the radio and we never heard it.

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fieldstvl wrote:
j man wrote:Yes. He deserves some sort of punishment for his behaviour today.

In most other sports if you yell at the officials to eff off then you get removed from the field of play.
The 'other sports' analogy doesn't really work. What if FIFA broadcasted a changing room conversation between some sportsball player and their manager and then punished them for doing so?
But that's not what happened. It was not a private message between Vettel and the pitwall as Race Control have free access to these radio communications as well. If you want a football analogy then Vettel swore at the referee on the pitch in the middle of the game. It's irrelevant whether it's picked up and broadcast by the television footage or not, it's still a red card offence.

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fieldstvl wrote:
j man wrote:Yes. He deserves some sort of punishment for his behaviour today.

In most other sports if you yell at the officials to eff off then you get removed from the field of play.
The 'other sports' analogy doesn't really work. What if FIFA broadcasted a changing room conversation between some sportsball player and their manager and then punished them for doing so?

If they are told beforehand that those conversations would be broadcast then it would be fair enough.

Over the line today from Vettel. But he had rightly apologised. Probably get a reprimand.

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And if Vettel wants to shout things at people in the heat of the moment, he doesn't have to press the radio button. When I shout at other drivers on the road, I tend to do it with the windows closed and I don't make a phone call to let someone else hear me swearing.

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