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On the one hand I'm sad to see Button go, as I think he still had it and if McLaren finally come good next year, which I think they may well do, it will be a bit rough for him to have put in all the effort in the bad years and watch someone else reap the rewards.

OTOH, I'm excited at seeing another promising talent enter F1. By all accounts one to watch!

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This is good news, and should be exciting to watch! I am sorry to see Button go, but it would've been a considerable injustice if Vandoorne never made it to F1, and I am looking forward to seeing what he can do next year.
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Does anyone else get the sneaking suspicion they're only doing it this way because they're actually quite concerned Alonso might rage-quit after he sees the 2017 cars?

Good news anyway. Vandoorne needed to be in F1, and he'd made it quite clear lately that if Macca wouldn't give him a seat he'd go elsewhere; and as for Button, while I'd have liked to see him in F1 for a few more seasons, I think he probably made a good call avoiding Williams. They're on a distinct downwards trajectory, and finishing his career with a measure of dignity instead of tooling around in a backmarker has something to be said for it. I would have liked to see him break the all-time starts record, however.
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Has Ron thought this through properly? Does he not remember what happened the last time McLaren paired Nando with a rookie.

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Stoffel should've been on the grid this year. Supremely, supremely talented. I would say since Lewis came into F1, I've not had higher expectations for a rookie. I've no doubt that given the right car, he's going to win a lot of races. Be great if McLaren can be right there with Ferrari/Mercedes/Red Bull next year and we have three/four teams capable of winning races. A hell of a lot of talent across those driver pairings.
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Classic wrote:Has Ron thought this through properly? Does he not remember what happened the last time McLaren paired Nando with a rookie.

Hence JB being kept on retainer... :lol:
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Stoffel was on the Belgian TV channel RTBF (French spoken) in the commentary seat for the Italian GP. Actually they often do ask him for the job. Of course his recent signing as F1 racing driver was frequently brought up. I enjoy his commentary but I will surely look forward to his first full F1 season at a hopefully even more competitive McLaren.
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I wonder now that Stoffel has been confirmed for next year at McLaren will he continue in SF, I can't see what is to be gained in driving a car with an inferior engine and not much chance of winning?
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pokerman wrote:I wonder now that Stoffel has been confirmed for next year at McLaren will he continue in SF, I can't see what is to be gained in driving a car with an inferior engine and not much chance of winning?

they may view it as any racing experience is better than none

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Zoue wrote:
pokerman wrote:I wonder now that Stoffel has been confirmed for next year at McLaren will he continue in SF, I can't see what is to be gained in driving a car with an inferior engine and not much chance of winning?

they may view it as any racing experience is better than none


Well yes, actually. Not being in the best/equal car and trying to extract everything from it is probably rather similar to what he'll have to do next year, unlike ever before in his career.
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Seanie wrote:
Classic wrote:Has Ron thought this through properly? Does he not remember what happened the last time McLaren paired Nando with a rookie.

Hence JB being kept on retainer... :lol:

I dont think there is anything LOL about it - i think its probably the truth.

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Let's see if he is as good as he is "said" to be. A young sensation was touted to be one of thinnest best things in F1 and he's not doing so well in a yellow car in his first season, but the car is a bit of a dog and difficult to manage in most regards. It is uncertain if he will be given a 2nd season to try and do better, but everything I've heard leads to him being ousted. Sad because it's difficult enough to enter F1 and do well in a decent car relative to your fellow competitors and I feel everyone who is brought up with such expectations should be given a chance in a decent car at least. Next year's car is all new and not a patchwork like this year's car so I'd expect it would be a more competitive package to drive and he should be given at least half of 2017 to see how he… actually both their drivers do.
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Exediron wrote:Does anyone else get the sneaking suspicion they're only doing it this way because they're actually quite concerned Alonso might rage-quit after he sees the 2017 cars?



I thought similar, I think JB might be sticking around in case Fernando bails to another series if Mc isn't competitive next year and F1 is still the way it is now.

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F1 MERCENARY wrote:Let's see if he is as good as he is "said" to be. A young sensation was touted to be one of thinnest best things in F1 and he's not doing so well in a yellow car in his first season, but the car is a bit of a dog and difficult to manage in most regards. It is uncertain if he will be given a 2nd season to try and do better, but everything I've heard leads to him being ousted. Sad because it's difficult enough to enter F1 and do well in a decent car relative to your fellow competitors and I feel everyone who is brought up with such expectations should be given a chance in a decent car at least. Next year's car is all new and not a patchwork like this year's car so I'd expect it would be a more competitive package to drive and he should be given at least half of 2017 to see how he… actually both their drivers do.

You've lost me with this young sensation you are talking about. :?
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F1 MERCENARY wrote:Let's see if he is as good as he is "said" to be. A young sensation was touted to be one of thinnest best things in F1 and he's not doing so well in a yellow car in his first season, but the car is a bit of a dog and difficult to manage in most regards. It is uncertain if he will be given a 2nd season to try and do better, but everything I've heard leads to him being ousted. Sad because it's difficult enough to enter F1 and do well in a decent car relative to your fellow competitors and I feel everyone who is brought up with such expectations should be given a chance in a decent car at least. Next year's car is all new and not a patchwork like this year's car so I'd expect it would be a more competitive package to drive and he should be given at least half of 2017 to see how he… actually both their drivers do.

First season, Yellow car... You're not talking about Palmer are you?

If you are: who on earth ever touted him to be an F1 sensation?

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:First season, Yellow car... You're not talking about Palmer are you?

If you are: who on earth ever touted him to be an F1 sensation?

At first I thought the post was clearly about Ocon, but then I remembered he didn't actually debut with Renault, so...

Best guess: the poster forgot that this isn't Magnussen's first year.
Second guess: the poster is one of the few who expected anything out of Palmer.

Only time will tell.
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Exediron wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:First season, Yellow car... You're not talking about Palmer are you?

If you are: who on earth ever touted him to be an F1 sensation?

At first I thought the post was clearly about Ocon, but then I remembered he didn't actually debut with Renault, so...

Best guess: the poster forgot that this isn't Magnussen's first year.
Second guess: the poster is one of the few who expected anything out of Palmer.

Only time will tell.

Either way neither driver was considered to be a big sensation upon joining Renault.
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pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:First season, Yellow car... You're not talking about Palmer are you?

If you are: who on earth ever touted him to be an F1 sensation?

At first I thought the post was clearly about Ocon, but then I remembered he didn't actually debut with Renault, so...

Best guess: the poster forgot that this isn't Magnussen's first year.
Second guess: the poster is one of the few who expected anything out of Palmer.

Only time will tell.

Either way neither driver was considered to be a big sensation upon joining Renault.

True, but in Magnussen's case that's only because it wasn't his first year. He was considered a big sensation when he debuted with McLaren, and when he qualified top 5 and landed a podium in his first race many were quick to confirm the hype. It was only later, as the season dragged on and Button started to dominate him more and more conclusively, that his stock started to fall.

Palmer, however, was viewed as an average GP2 veteran, then a weak champion in a year when Vandoorne (at least) was clearly better, then a weak F1 signing. He has never had high expectations attached to him.
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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
F1 MERCENARY wrote:Let's see if he is as good as he is "said" to be. A young sensation was touted to be one of thinnest best things in F1 and he's not doing so well in a yellow car in his first season, but the car is a bit of a dog and difficult to manage in most regards. It is uncertain if he will be given a 2nd season to try and do better, but everything I've heard leads to him being ousted. Sad because it's difficult enough to enter F1 and do well in a decent car relative to your fellow competitors and I feel everyone who is brought up with such expectations should be given a chance in a decent car at least. Next year's car is all new and not a patchwork like this year's car so I'd expect it would be a more competitive package to drive and he should be given at least half of 2017 to see how he… actually both their drivers do.

First season, Yellow car... You're not talking about Palmer are you?

If you are: who on earth ever touted him to be an F1 sensation?


I almost thought he was talking about Kevin's dad Jan Magnussen who was very dominant in British Formula 3 in 1994 winning 14 of the 18 races and naturally came with high expectations in F1 with Stewart. However the Stewart cars were white.
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Exediron wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Black_Flag_11 wrote:First season, Yellow car... You're not talking about Palmer are you?

If you are: who on earth ever touted him to be an F1 sensation?

At first I thought the post was clearly about Ocon, but then I remembered he didn't actually debut with Renault, so...

Best guess: the poster forgot that this isn't Magnussen's first year.
Second guess: the poster is one of the few who expected anything out of Palmer.

Only time will tell.

Either way neither driver was considered to be a big sensation upon joining Renault.

True, but in Magnussen's case that's only because it wasn't his first year. He was considered a big sensation when he debuted with McLaren, and when he qualified top 5 and landed a podium in his first race many were quick to confirm the hype. It was only later, as the season dragged on and Button started to dominate him more and more conclusively, that his stock started to fall.

Palmer, however, was viewed as an average GP2 veteran, then a weak champion in a year when Vandoorne (at least) was clearly better, then a weak F1 signing. He has never had high expectations attached to him.

I would disagree that Magnussen was ever seen as a sensation, he won the FR3.5 title after years of not winning anything apart from the odd race now and again, the year before he finished 7th in FR3.5, a bit similar to Palmer really, after years of trying he finally won a major title after previously never coming close.

Yes he was talked up by McLaren, I'm sure that Perez probably was as well?

Vandoorne is not a driver that needed multiple years to prove himself, he won his debut races in both FR3.5 and GP2, these not being reverse grid lottery races, he out qualified Button on his F1 debut and scored McLaren's first point this season in a car not as competitive as it is now, Vandoorne is a driver that has proven himself on numerous occasions.
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As if Vandoorne needed to underscore McLaren's choice to give him a race seat next season, he's taken his first win in Super Formula.

http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/09/10/ ... rmula-win/

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Nosebuckle wrote:As if Vandoorne needed to underscore McLaren's choice to give him a race seat next season, he's taken his first win in Super Formula.

http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/09/10/ ... rmula-win/

Yes but unfortunately he only scored half points for the win because of the unusual way they score some of the races.
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