As much as I hate to say it, and believe me, I do hate to say it.
Verstappen will win the 2017 WDC (Oh the pain, the pain

Maybe it's the Bourbon talking, maybe it's the Codeine tablets or maybe I'm just having an episode but I just think everything is falling into place for RB to really challenge or if not, overtake Merc next year and Verstappen will walk away with the chocky's.mcdo wrote:Dunno if I'd go that far that soon but I'm seeing so many parallels with early Schumacher. I believe Vandoorne is the only hope for the non-Max believers
Dunno why that's a bad thing. 4 titles for Vettel, I personally believe it'll be 4 titles for Hamilton, the likes of Kimi and Massa are still hanging aroundJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
We're due for a really close year between multiple constructors. I will resort to prayer if necessary.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thing. 4 titles for Vettel, I personally believe it'll be 4 titles for Hamilton, the likes of Kimi and Massa are still hanging aroundJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
It's time for the new wave
Because i'm Australian and i'm cranky that's why.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thingJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
Jezza13 wrote:Because i'm Australian and i'm cranky that's why.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thingJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
Me too.Jezza13 wrote:Because i'm Australian and i'm cranky that's why.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thingJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
You need to 'Foster' your grudge for a while though.Jezza13 wrote:Because i'm Australian and i'm cranky that's why.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thingJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
It would be great to see Lewis take that title when closely thought with another team. However outside of that result would love smiler to get the wdcRandine wrote:Me too.Jezza13 wrote:Because i'm Australian and i'm cranky that's why.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thingJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
I think with the faster cars and more performance based wider tyres that experience will be more beneficial.
Max is quick. I believe drivers don't get quicker, they just make less mistakes with experience.
MAx went off track twice in turn 1 today, so he still does make a few mistakes.
I still believe Ric will win the WDC in 2017.
The only place you'll find an Australian drinking that rubbish is in the UK. We don't touch that rot inside Australia.UnlikeUday wrote:You need to 'Foster' your grudge for a while though.Jezza13 wrote:Because i'm Australian and i'm cranky that's why.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thingJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
What gap?IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:I agree with the miffed Aussie OP.
Red Bull could be the team to beat next year, and Verstappen is only increasing the gap to Ricciardo, and Ferrari seem to just have no inclination to reform their philosophy, their poisonous politics, their lethargic driver strategy.
Verstappen it is.
DR will for sure, if You believe in his tenacity to deliver.Jezza13 wrote:The only place you'll find an Australian drinking that rubbish is in the UK. We don't touch that rot inside Australia.UnlikeUday wrote:You need to 'Foster' your grudge for a while though.Jezza13 wrote:Because i'm Australian and i'm cranky that's why.mcdo wrote:Dunno why that's a bad thingJezza13 wrote:He's driving well.
After the Webber years and now the last few races, it's going to take more than some poor excuse for beer to lull my rage at the current situation.
Just hope DR can catch a break and start to put it back together.
Australia needs it. I need it.
Oh dear.Andy2402 wrote:What gap?IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:I agree with the miffed Aussie OP.
Red Bull could be the team to beat next year, and Verstappen is only increasing the gap to Ricciardo, and Ferrari seem to just have no inclination to reform their philosophy, their poisonous politics, their lethargic driver strategy.
Verstappen it is.
I'm honestly asking you a question, but based on the fact you truly believe there was a gap between max and ric in the race today it's probably not worth itIDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Oh dear.Andy2402 wrote:What gap?IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:I agree with the miffed Aussie OP.
Red Bull could be the team to beat next year, and Verstappen is only increasing the gap to Ricciardo, and Ferrari seem to just have no inclination to reform their philosophy, their poisonous politics, their lethargic driver strategy.
Verstappen it is.
In Spain, Ricciardo was a bit faster than Verstappen, but suffered bad luck. In Monaco, Ricciardo was a faster and made no errors. In Canada, Verstappen was a bit better. In Baku, Verstappen was on the same pace as Ricciardo, in Austria Verstappen was much faster, and in Britain Verstappen was again convincingly faster, having also made up his qualifying deficit. Race by race, Verstappen has narrowed, and eventually passed Ricciardo in qualifying, and race by race, he has equalled and surpassed Ricciardo in the race. Hence, he has narrowed and then created a gap.Andy2402 wrote:I'm honestly asking you a question, but based on the fact you truly believe there was a gap between max and ric in the race today it's probably not worth itIDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Oh dear.Andy2402 wrote:What gap?IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:I agree with the miffed Aussie OP.
Red Bull could be the team to beat next year, and Verstappen is only increasing the gap to Ricciardo, and Ferrari seem to just have no inclination to reform their philosophy, their poisonous politics, their lethargic driver strategy.
Verstappen it is.
That is the problem with everyone else, he has very few, if any. He has made his share of dumb rookie mistakes (and probably will do a few more) but seems to be learning very well. He is very quick, has very good racecraft, and judging by his appearance and results, working very hard behind the scenes to continually improve. For a young man with a light body frame, he already has a neck size more akin to Brock Lesnar, indicating he is spending the required time in physical training.mikeyg123 wrote:Whats wrong with Verstappen?
In Canada Ric was behind a car the whole race. Max was in clear air 95% of the race.IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:In Spain, Ricciardo was a bit faster than Verstappen, but suffered bad luck. In Monaco, Ricciardo was a faster and made no errors. In Canada, Verstappen was a bit better. In Baku, Verstappen was on the same pace as Ricciardo, in Austria Verstappen was much faster, and in Britain Verstappen was again convincingly faster, having also made up his qualifying deficit. Race by race, Verstappen has narrowed, and eventually passed Ricciardo in qualifying, and race by race, he has equalled and surpassed Ricciardo in the race. Hence, he has narrowed and then created a gap.Andy2402 wrote:I'm honestly asking you a question, but based on the fact you truly believe there was a gap between max and ric in the race today it's probably not worth itIDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Oh dear.Andy2402 wrote:What gap?IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:I agree with the miffed Aussie OP.
Red Bull could be the team to beat next year, and Verstappen is only increasing the gap to Ricciardo, and Ferrari seem to just have no inclination to reform their philosophy, their poisonous politics, their lethargic driver strategy.
Verstappen it is.
Glad we got that cleared up.Andy2402 wrote:I respect your opinion
If he out qualifies and then out performs ric over the next 2 race weekends I think I would then agree he has opened a "gap" in terms of performance
I was going to post something similar after today's race, he's certainly ticking all the boxes, I think 2017 WDC is a bit ambitious but he's going to be Champion sooner or later I feel.Jezza13 wrote:Open PU development, new aero regs.
As much as I hate to say it, and believe me, I do hate to say it.
Verstappen will win the 2017 WDC (Oh the pain, the pain).
Not lost in the glare. At 18 he's relatively a kid in a big man's sandbox. When he matures and develops, we fans have something to look forward to. His career path is similar to Vettel. But unlike Vettel, Verstappen has already proven to all he can pass and mix it up in traffic. So he's barely drinking age, yet has checked off most of the boxes.painless wrote:Don't forget all the Clearasil money!
If you mean beer, he has been allowed to drink for more than two years in his native Belgium! Obviously I don't know whether there's a link with his performance at the wheel.Blinky McSquinty wrote:So he's barely drinking age, yet has checked off most of the boxes.
Isn't he Dutch?Fiki wrote:If you mean beer, he has been allowed to drink for more than two years in his native Belgium! Obviously I don't know whether there's a link with his performance at the wheel.Blinky McSquinty wrote:So he's barely drinking age, yet has checked off most of the boxes.
He has a double nationality, but choses to drive under a Dutch flag.mikeyg123 wrote:Isn't he Dutch?Fiki wrote:If you mean beer, he has been allowed to drink for more than two years in his native Belgium! Obviously I don't know whether there's a link with his performance at the wheel.Blinky McSquinty wrote:So he's barely drinking age, yet has checked off most of the boxes.
I would actually say he was already faster from Spain (of course if we're talking about race pace), first stint all the time around 1,5 seconds trailing Ricciardo (we know the huge air turbulence at Spain), and in 2nd stint he came from about 4 seconds behind Ric right in the DRS zone. Check out the lap by lap chart. The win was a bit fortunate but that wouldn't be possible without that solid pace.Randine wrote:In Canada Ric was behind a car the whole race. Max was in clear air 95% of the race.IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:In Spain, Ricciardo was a bit faster than Verstappen, but suffered bad luck. In Monaco, Ricciardo was a faster and made no errors. In Canada, Verstappen was a bit better. In Baku, Verstappen was on the same pace as Ricciardo, in Austria Verstappen was much faster, and in Britain Verstappen was again convincingly faster, having also made up his qualifying deficit. Race by race, Verstappen has narrowed, and eventually passed Ricciardo in qualifying, and race by race, he has equalled and surpassed Ricciardo in the race. Hence, he has narrowed and then created a gap.Andy2402 wrote:I'm honestly asking you a question, but based on the fact you truly believe there was a gap between max and ric in the race today it's probably not worth itIDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:Oh dear.Andy2402 wrote:
What gap?
We have no idea if he would have been better than Max that day but I believe he would have been.
In Austria I agree, but it could have been a small set up difference.
In Britain Ric was out qualified by Vettel and Kvyat in 2014 and 2015.
So to say that Max beat him in qualifying once where he was beaten by other team mates, means he is now faster is a bit silly.
And in the race today he lost our due to an unlucky pit call.
sandman1347 wrote:One thing that I will call right now is that both Red Bull and...drum roll please...McLaren will pass Ferrari next year in performance. I think Ferrari are gonna get it wrong with the new regs. Just a hunch but I don't see them taking advantage here. Red Bull, on the other hand are a lock to take advantage of the heightened aero performance and I have to think that the pedigree, the budget and the resources at McLaren are focusing 100% on next year's car already.
Honda's engine has made significant improvements and I believe next year is the time when they finally move beyond laughing stock status and produce a respectable PU that is competitive. The Mclaren call is a long shot but I do feel conficent that Red Bull will be right up there.
The wild card is Mercedes themselves. Can they maintain their dominance even through a radical change in regulations? Will they be knocked off the perch by quicker rivals or will we actually get a scenario in which multiple teams are closely matched? Personally I think these rules changes might be a mistake. They will make overtaking harder than ever and there is simply nothing to be gained by making the cars faster. If you've noticed; they are already mindbogglingly fast and are starting to break the old V10 lap records! With stable regs, these cars would be faster than any F1 car before them by next season. These new regs will bring the lap times into a very scary realm; one no racing driver has experienced yet.
His fans.mikeyg123 wrote:Whats wrong with Verstappen?
Did they boo his partner at the podium? Usually that's a sign of poor fandom.Exediron wrote:His fans.mikeyg123 wrote:Whats wrong with Verstappen?