Mr-E wrote:Has Rosberg signed a new contract yet with Merc? If not they should let him go by the end of the season and pick up Wehrlein.
Yeah I don't know how they can resign him after what has been going on. It is obvious now that he can't beat Hamilton in a wheel to wheel fight, whether it's Hamilton pushing him out, him pushing Hamiton out, Hamilton having better race pace, he always ends up second. He's just not meant to beat Lewis. But he still believes he can beat Hamilton. It's time for the team to let him go imo. Let him go to Ferrari and let's see how much he "dislikes losing" to Vettel.
I personally have had enough of him.
pokerman wrote:Rosberg blames Hamilton, onboard shows that Rosberg didn't turn for the corner he aimed for Hamilton's car.
Nope, onboards show that Lewis turned into Nico and Nico didn't turn at all until too late. But in order for him to aim at Lewis' car he would have had to point his car towards Lewis at some point, which he never did
Some of you lot aren't talking sense.
Rosberg showed no intention of making the turn and Lewis had to take avoiding action. It's as simple as that. Rosberg's fault.
Interesting point of view. Isn't avoiding action normally away from the obstacle?
Is it on the onus of the driver attempting to make a corner over a driver seemingly unable (or with intent to not) to make a corner to jump out of the way? You can dig up all the Hamilton rough moves over the last 3 years, he is at least attempting to make the corner in every one of them. Rosberg today pulled a Senna, wether thats a compliment or not is down to the beholder (and wether or not this shows his shift in mindset) and should be castigated appropriately.
pokerman wrote:Rosberg blames Hamilton, onboard shows that Rosberg didn't turn for the corner he aimed for Hamilton's car.
Nope, onboards show that Lewis turned into Nico and Nico didn't turn at all until too late. But in order for him to aim at Lewis' car he would have had to point his car towards Lewis at some point, which he never did
Some of you lot aren't talking sense.
Rosberg showed no intention of making the turn and Lewis had to take avoiding action. It's as simple as that. Rosberg's fault.
Interesting point of view. Isn't avoiding action normally away from the obstacle?
Ah I find that interesting
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jrwb6e wrote:Rosberg should have to sit out a race or two. It is pathetic he is allowed to believe because he has the inside line, he can "dictate" whatever he wants. No, Rosberg, driving dirty like Schumacher does go without consequences.
Is it really so diabolical? I guess I should watch it again. I agree that it was very very (2 verys) aggressive and also probably calculated. I suppose it did cause very substantial damage and put one car into an endangered position to the extent that Rosberg is under investigation for continuing to race around in the state he was in.
Aggressive stuff, no question. Calculated stuff, probably.
Borderline intentional wrecking, should throw the book at him. Disgraceful driving standards from the supposed best in the world
Richard86 wrote:Im sorry but how anyone can defend Nico is beyond me. The first case was he didnt even turn into the turn surely that damning enough, thats borderline intentional wrecking and Merceds know it thats why they are playing the "we had a problem with the brakes" card. Second he gave absolutely no room for Lewis to come back on the track after such a bad move in the first place thats woeful and dangerous. I dont like all these penalties but they should clamp down on drivers doing this, this is F1 not the local demo derby or BTCC.
I'm surprised Merc haven't said Hamilton had brake problems. Normally both cars have the same problem
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Llotyhy wrote:Every time something like this happens and we get a great race I feel so sorry for you guys that you have to cope with Sky's coverage. It sounds so awful... Surely there must be other options?
In the UK the only other legal option that I'm aware of is C4 who only broadcast half of the races live. From 2019 Sky will get exclusive coverage too so we won't even have that.
Sky aren't too bad for the most part. Crofty, Herbert & Hill are the main bits I would change. Maybe try to get some non-British pundits to give a bit more balance and remove national bias.
Richard86 wrote:Second he gave absolutely no room for Lewis to come back on the track after such a bad move in the first place thats woeful and dangerous.
You may remember that Maldonado probably thought the same at Valencia 2012. In other words, sometimes the rules bite back.
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Mr-E wrote:Has Rosberg signed a new contract yet with Merc? If not they should let him go by the end of the season and pick up Wehrlein.
Yeah I don't know how they can resign him after what has been going on. It is obvious now that he can't beat Hamilton in a wheel to wheel fight, whether it's Hamilton pushing him out, him pushing Hamiton out, Hamilton having better race pace, he always ends up second. He's just not meant to beat Lewis. But he still believes he can beat Hamilton. It's time for the team to let him go imo. Let him go to Ferrari and let's see how much he "dislikes losing" to Vettel.
I personally have had enough of him.
Bla, bla, bla, whatever. He's a number two. Number twos aren't supposed to win terribly often but, hey, this number two won 7 straight and had a 39-point lead... Before he went back to being a number two.
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
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I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
Richard86 wrote:Second he gave absolutely no room for Lewis to come back on the track after such a bad move in the first place thats woeful and dangerous.
You may remember that Maldonado probably thought the same at Valencia 2012. In other words, sometimes the rules bite back.
So I assume you hold Rosberg responsible in this case then?
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
Some people
I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
Some people
I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
For the final time, regardless of how many posts on here suggest otherwise, there was no contact when Hamilton rejoined the track.
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
Some people
I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
There was not a second contact.
Niki Lauda must not have been watching very carefully then as he was saying he thought it was Rosbergs fault for the 2nd contact.
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
Some people
I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
There was not a second contact.
Niki Lauda must not have been watching very carefully then as he was saying he thought it was Rosbergs fault for the 2nd contact.
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
Some people
I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
Go watch it again. It is obvious you are missing something.
If Rosberg is found to be to blame what penalty could he be expected to be given? By this I mean actually be given not what people might want to be given.
Richard86 wrote:Second he gave absolutely no room for Lewis to come back on the track after such a bad move in the first place thats woeful and dangerous.
You may remember that Maldonado probably thought the same at Valencia 2012. In other words, sometimes the rules bite back.
So I assume you hold Rosberg responsible in this case then?
Hamilton rejoined behind Rosberg. Why would I hold Rosberg responsible for Hamilton rejoining safely?
Use every man after his desert, and who should scape whipping? Use them after your own honour and dignity.
Having two close-matched drivers in top cars imo this was just a racing incident, no-one to blame. Nico with a brake problem obviously explains his going deep/straight on, Lewis coming back on track trying to win after he caught Nico is just normal racing adrenalin and competitiveness.
Great race all round.
I wish I could agree, but the suspension breakages and today's tyre gamble make it less than great for me. All in all, that tyre delaminating decided the race at least as much as the pitstops, I believe. And I don't like mandatory pitstops in the first place.
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Hamilton_Jar wrote:Did Kimi and Verstappen one stop?
Yes they both did a one stopper. But Ferrari made the wrong call for the pits not only for Vettel but for Kimi as well. I am not sure what they were thinking they never had a chance with Mercs and now they are loosing to RB
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TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
Some people
I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
Go watch it again. It is obvious you are missing something.
Now I have watched the video below that Flash2k11 posted, I am starting to agree with you. Sorry for what I said before. What happened to Hamilton between second 10 and 12 on this video though? Is it just what he is driving on that made his car jolt? That was what made me think he had hit Rosberg as his car suddenly jolted as if he had hit Rosberg. It was also at that exact time that I started to see a lot more sparks from Rosbergs front wing. I'm still not fully convinced that there wasn't a 2nd contact. More so that I was though.
BBC trying to out-do Sky. They put up a 'who is at fault?' vote for about 30 minutes, to state the obvious. They must be disappointed only 89% of their 'voters' blamed Nico.
I wish I could agree, but the suspension breakages and today's tyre gamble make it less than great for me. All in all, that tyre delaminating decided the race at least as much as the pitstops, I believe. And I don't like mandatory pitstops in the first place.
It was nail biting, what's not to like? Races like today are why I watch F1
POBRatings wrote: Nico with a brake problem obviously explains his going deep/straight on.
I don't quite agree with that. It seemed like he braked just about as well as Hamilton. He had slowed his car down enough to turn in earlier but didn't.
This is pretty clear-cut to me. He tried to prevent Hamilton from turning in.
POBRatings wrote: Nico with a brake problem obviously explains his going deep/straight on.
I don't quite agree with that. It seemed like he braked just about as well as Hamilton. He had slowed his car down enough to turn in earlier but didn't.
This is pretty clear-cut to me. He tried to prevent Hamilton from turning in.
I think the brakes thing is Mercedes trying to save Nico further penalties for causing a crash/intentional contact.
POBRatings wrote: Nico with a brake problem obviously explains his going deep/straight on.
I don't quite agree with that. It seemed like he braked just about as well as Hamilton. He had slowed his car down enough to turn in earlier but didn't.
This is pretty clear-cut to me. He tried to prevent Hamilton from turning in.
I think the brakes thing is Mercedes trying to save Nico further penalties for causing a crash/intentional contact.
Toto said something that I thought was daft - that Nico had a brake-by-wire failure and that the team were not allowed to tell him. I don't believe that for a second
TheGiantHogweed wrote:I am hearing that Rosberg had trouble with his brakes. That resulted in pushing Hamilton off if that was the case. Then Hamilton came back on track and walloped into the side of Rosberg causing more damage. Is Rosberg to blame for Hamilton coming back on the track hitting Rosberg and causing far more damage to Rosberg than Rosberg caused him? It is obvious that Rosberg that started this but it may not have been his fault but the second part, I blame Hamilton more for the way he joined that track and hit Rosberg back.
About Rosberg continuing with a damaged car, didn't Vettel last year in Spa continue with a damaged car getting in everyone's way? And Mimi when He hit Bottas in Russia. Kimi continued with a very damaged car and didn't get investigated I believe.
I really don't understand why Rosberg and Hamilton aren't both getting investigated after this clash.
Please go watch it again carefully, Hamilton DID NOT hit Rosberg when he reentered. Rosberg damaged his own wing when he hit Hamilton.
Some people
I usually agree with your posts more than many others but I'm not sure this time. It looked like Rosberg didn't go right when Lewis was trying to rejoin which I think he should have done. However, I did rewatch it and it looked like Hamillton was turning back onto the track but I think he should have slowed down and joined behind Rosbeg instead of hitting the side of him. I have seen more than enough comments here saying that Hamilton rejoined and hit Rosberg. Maybe that wasn't what caused his wing to come off but it did look like Hamilton was trying to get back at him. This sort of this doesn't seem to happen between other teams or drivers.
However, I still blame Rosberg most quite easily. But as I said, I can't understand why they both don't get investigated as Hamilton was involved. Usually, any driver involved in an incident will get investigated.
Go watch it again. It is obvious you are missing something.
Now I have watched the video below that Flash2k11 posted, I am starting to agree with you. Sorry for what I said before. What happened to Hamilton between second 10 and 12 on this video though? Is it just what he is driving on that made his car jolt? That was what made me think he had hit Rosberg as his car suddenly jolted as if he had hit Rosberg. It was also at that exact time that I started to see a lot more sparks from Rosbergs front wing. I'm still not fully convinced that there wasn't a 2nd contact. More so that I was though.
He veers away at that point. Look at the intiial impact to see the initial sparks of Rosbergs front wing... the speed at which he is traveling at the point when Hamilton rejoins the track dictates how far down the damage wing is pushed via the airflow, hence the sudden sparks as the downforce kicks in.
Right I have seen a slow motion replay that shows he didn't make any contact there. So sorry to everyone who I didn't agree with!
It was hard to judge as Hamilton really did look to have hit him from some angles as his car suddenly swerved as if he had hit Rosberg. It must have just been either the kerbs or the damage from the 1st contact that caused that.
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