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We all know how tight & twisty Monaco is but there've been some impressive overtakes throughout the years.

Which ones come to Your mind?

1 of them in the recent years is Sutil overtaking Alonso in 2013 at Grand Hotel Hairpin:



Another one which seems more class is Hulk overtaking Magnussen at Portier in 2014:



The best one yet! Schumacher making a double pass on Wurz in 1998. First at Grand Hotel Hairpin where he loses the place to Wurz again but at Portier Schumacher makes a daring move to reclaim that position:

Around the outside, in the rain


Alboreto on Prost


Kimi on Webber

Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

Yup

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

Yeay, I'm still of the opinion that that should have been punished. Wasn't an overtake so much as a ram. To me it was dangerous driving

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

But legal - apparently!

It does set a precedent that you can pit manoeuvre the car in front out of the way at Monaco, so we may see a lot more overtaking this year. Might have to beef up the left front wheel a bit if you are going to do a lot of it.

babararacucudada wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

But legal - apparently!

It does set a precedent that you can pit manoeuvre the car in front out of the way at Monaco, so we may see a lot more overtaking this year. Might have to beef up the left front wheel a bit if you are going to do a lot of it.

What is the rule at the moment? The Nico/Lewis thing last week got me thinking. Don't the regs state something like the following car must be 'substantially alongside'? But often we hear Brundle or someone mention that if any of the following car is alongside then he's earned the right to space. Given how difficult overtaking is, and all the stupid sacrifices the sport has made to aid it, it strikes me we should just say the following driver should be left space as long as any part of his car is alongside.

Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Balibari wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

But legal - apparently!

It does set a precedent that you can pit manoeuvre the car in front out of the way at Monaco, so we may see a lot more overtaking this year. Might have to beef up the left front wheel a bit if you are going to do a lot of it.

What is the rule at the moment? The Nico/Lewis thing last week got me thinking. Don't the regs state something like the following car must be 'substantially alongside'? But often we hear Brundle or someone mention that if any of the following car is alongside then he's earned the right to space. Given how difficult overtaking is, and all the stupid sacrifices the sport has made to aid it, it strikes me we should just say the following driver should be left space as long as any part of his car is alongside.

The rules state that a front wing is considered enough. What the rules don't say is how much space should be given.

babararacucudada wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

But legal - apparently!

It does set a precedent that you can pit manoeuvre the car in front out of the way at Monaco, so we may see a lot more overtaking this year. Might have to beef up the left front wheel a bit if you are going to do a lot of it.

Think someone has told ric he is the worlds best overtaker and he believed it. Going by the last race with vettel he aint. I dont mind someone having a go like above but the monaco one was dodgy at best and he didnt make either move stick with vettel in spain, and could have caused an accident if vettel hadnt jumped out the way. any crap driver (not saying that ric is crap by the way) can throw one down the inside and not make it stick. not much skill in that for me.

Bianchi on Kobayashi in 2014. (0:30)



Sergio Perez show in 2013.

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Well, not sure if it was correctly deemed illegal or not, but I dont think its a good overtake because Alonso was told that it was not allowed to overtake so he didnt bother closing the door to MS

nixxxon wrote:

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Well, not sure if it was correctly deemed illegal or not, but I dont think its a good overtake because Alonso was told that it was not allowed to overtake so he didnt bother closing the door to MS

It was brilliant. The very essence of an opportunistic move. Alonso wobbled and Schumacher pounced. If Alonso was so full sure he hadn't just been duped he wouldn't have tried to fight back

As an Alonso fan I was happy to see him get the place back. As a Formula 1 fan I wasn't

Balibari wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

But legal - apparently!

It does set a precedent that you can pit manoeuvre the car in front out of the way at Monaco, so we may see a lot more overtaking this year. Might have to beef up the left front wheel a bit if you are going to do a lot of it.

What is the rule at the moment? The Nico/Lewis thing last week got me thinking. Don't the regs state something like the following car must be 'substantially alongside'? But often we hear Brundle or someone mention that if any of the following car is alongside then he's earned the right to space. Given how difficult overtaking is, and all the stupid sacrifices the sport has made to aid it, it strikes me we should just say the following driver should be left space as long as any part of his car is alongside.

How is the lead driver supposed to judge that accurately and respond immediately while driving flat out at Monaco?

UnlikeUday wrote:The best one yet! Schumacher making a double pass on Wurz in 1998. First at Grand Hotel Hairpin where he loses the place to Wurz again but at Portier Schumacher makes a daring move to reclaim that position:

From memory didn't this one damage Schumacher's car and put him out of the race? I always had it down as one of the desperate lunges that end in tears that we see at the hairpin every year.

Heidfeld on Alonso in 2005. No wheelbanging or forcing the other car out of the way. Just a perfectly judged outbraking manoeuvre that caught Alonso (of all people) napping.

mcdo wrote:It was brilliant. The very essence of an opportunistic move. Alonso wobbled and Schumacher pounced. If Alonso was so full sure he hadn't just been duped he wouldn't have tried to fight back

As an Alonso fan I was happy to see him get the place back. As a Formula 1 fan I wasn't

You think he tried to fight back? Not sure...
He wouldn't have left the door open in the first place.

nixxxon wrote:Bianchi on Kobayashi in 2014. (0:30)



Sergio Perez show in 2013.

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Well, not sure if it was correctly deemed illegal or not, but I dont think its a good overtake because Alonso was told that it was not allowed to overtake so he didnt bother closing the door to MS

Blanca's move was just as poorly made as Ricciardo's on Raikkonen. Same difference and In Ricciardo's case, this is just another example of his terrible judgment when it comes to attempting passes from too far back. He was fortunate his momentum and the direction of the track made it easy for Raikkonen's car to be affected by his nudge because otherwise as Raikkonen turned it it would've put him into the wall and wrecked his car.

He did the same thing in Spain last week and it was once again further affirmation that his is nowhere near a "Late Braking God". FAR From it.
More like a terrible decision making far too late in the braking zone guy. He's gotten this move wrong many more time than he's gotten it correct. Just a dumb move he needs to learn to not attempt in the way he's been doing. Interestingly, Lewis has been crucified for pulling a much smarter attempt at a lunge down the inside, still correcting to ensure he avoided contact. Go figure.

Caserole of Nonsense wrote: Think someone has told ric he is the worlds best overtaker and he believed it. Going by the last race with vettel he aint. I dont mind someone having a go like above but the monaco one was dodgy at best and he didnt make either move stick with vettel in spain, and could have caused an accident if vettel hadnt jumped out the way. any crap driver (not saying that ric is crap by the way) can throw one down the inside and not make it stick. not much skill in that for me.

Perhaps if somebody did tell him that it was because of the many impressive moves he's made in races other than the single one you used as an example.

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Why ridiculous? I couldn't believe my ears when I found out it was his race engineer who fed him such nonsense.

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Why ridiculous? I couldn't believe my ears when I found out it was his race engineer who fed him such nonsense.

You mean the one that half the teams told their drivers to race and the other half did not?

It was confusing and they changed the rule after the race. So they should have deemed the overtaking legal.

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Why ridiculous? I couldn't believe my ears when I found out it was his race engineer who fed him such nonsense.

You mean the one that half the teams told their drivers to race and the other half did not?

It was confusing and they changed the rule after the race. So they should have deemed the overtaking legal.

The stewards can't deem something legal if it is against the rules.
I did think it was amusing that Brawn/Schumacher were still trying to use the confusion ploy, though.

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Why ridiculous? I couldn't believe my ears when I found out it was his race engineer who fed him such nonsense.

You mean the one that half the teams told their drivers to race and the other half did not?

It was confusing and they changed the rule after the race. So they should have deemed the overtaking legal.

The stewards can't deem something legal if it is against the rules.
I did think it was amusing that Brawn/Schumacher were still trying to use the confusion ploy, though.

The rule that they clarified AFTER the race? That one?

mikeyg123 wrote:

Balibari wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:

Black_Flag_11 wrote:

babararacucudada wrote:Ricciardo's overtake of Raikkonnen last year.

Well that wasn't very nice.

But legal - apparently!

It does set a precedent that you can pit manoeuvre the car in front out of the way at Monaco, so we may see a lot more overtaking this year. Might have to beef up the left front wheel a bit if you are going to do a lot of it.

What is the rule at the moment? The Nico/Lewis thing last week got me thinking. Don't the regs state something like the following car must be 'substantially alongside'? But often we hear Brundle or someone mention that if any of the following car is alongside then he's earned the right to space. Given how difficult overtaking is, and all the stupid sacrifices the sport has made to aid it, it strikes me we should just say the following driver should be left space as long as any part of his car is alongside.

The rules state that a front wing is considered enough. What the rules don't say is how much space should be given.

The obvious assumption would be enough space to avoid the driver deemed alongside either a) being forced off the track to avoid an accident or b) coming into contact with the driver defending the position.

Also, that particular rule only applies when defending a position on a straight and before the braking zone. So I don't think it would apply in the case of Raikkonen vs. Ricciardo since that happened in the braking area.

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Why ridiculous? I couldn't believe my ears when I found out it was his race engineer who fed him such nonsense.

You mean the one that half the teams told their drivers to race and the other half did not?

It was confusing and they changed the rule after the race. So they should have deemed the overtaking legal.

The stewards can't deem something legal if it is against the rules.
I did think it was amusing that Brawn/Schumacher were still trying to use the confusion ploy, though.

The rule that they clarified AFTER the race? That one?

Yes, that one. The one even Ferrari understood, and the one Mercedes understood enough not to appeal against.

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote: Why ridiculous? I couldn't believe my ears when I found out it was his race engineer who fed him such nonsense.

You mean the one that half the teams told their drivers to race and the other half did not?

It was confusing and they changed the rule after the race. So they should have deemed the overtaking legal.

The stewards can't deem something legal if it is against the rules.
I did think it was amusing that Brawn/Schumacher were still trying to use the confusion ploy, though.

The rule that they clarified AFTER the race? That one?

Yes, that one. The one even Ferrari understood, and the one Mercedes understood enough not to appeal against.

They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:Why ridiculous? I couldn't believe my ears when I found out it was his race engineer who fed him such nonsense.

You mean the one that half the teams told their drivers to race and the other half did not?

It was confusing and they changed the rule after the race. So they should have deemed the overtaking legal.

The stewards can't deem something legal if it is against the rules.
I did think it was amusing that Brawn/Schumacher were still trying to use the confusion ploy, though.

The rule that they clarified AFTER the race? That one?

Yes, that one. The one even Ferrari understood, and the one Mercedes understood enough not to appeal against.

I recall Ross Brawn parading around armed with photos of green lights, the same green lights that up until that moment in time meant "race on"

It was one of those times that F1 shot itself in the foot. Like Grosjean getting the penalty for overtaking Massa on the kerb in Hungary 2013. That's the racing we want to see, not DRS-assisted Scalextric

Siao7 wrote: They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Could you help me find which other teams got the rule as "wrong" as Mercedes?

I know Alonso checked what to do with his team, but I can't see that as an indication of an unclear rule, as the team itself was crystal clear about it.

mcdo wrote:I recall Ross Brawn parading around armed with photos of green lights, the same green lights that up until that moment in time meant "race on"

On any other lap, yes. Not on the final lap under SC. But, as I said, it was an interesting ploy to score points. Money talks.

mcdo wrote:It was one of those times that F1 shot itself in the foot. Like Grosjean getting the penalty for overtaking Massa on the kerb in Hungary 2013. That's the racing we want to see, not DRS-assisted Scalextric

The two cases are too different to be compared. I couldn't agree more that Grosjean was incorrectly punished, and even Massa supported that. Of course, he could have acted in accordance with the rules himself, rather than run Grosjean off the track.

So, while I agree that in the Grosjean/Massa case, the stewards got it wrong, in the case of Schumacher/Alonso, they didn't. I would find it interesting to know why the rules were changed for cosmetic reasons, so that the cars could finish the lap without the SC in front of them.

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote: They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Could you help me find which other teams got the rule as "wrong" as Mercedes?

I know Alonso checked what to do with his team, but I can't see that as an indication of an unclear rule, as the team itself was crystal clear about it.

They were not mentioned in any article I can find. Andy Benson in his article doesn't mention any names, but he does say that out of the 6 teams in the top 10 places, 3 told them to race, 2 not to race and one to race but not overtake.

Spin it all you want Fiki, the rule was not clear cut for half these teams. If it was clear to you then good for you, but last time I checked Fiki was not a team principal. If the FIA themselves admitted that the rule was confusing, then seriously, what is your problem? Again, half of these 6 teams were confused, not only Mercedes.

F1 MERCENARY wrote:

nixxxon wrote:Bianchi on Kobayashi in 2014. (0:30)



Sergio Perez show in 2013.

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Well, not sure if it was correctly deemed illegal or not, but I dont think its a good overtake because Alonso was told that it was not allowed to overtake so he didnt bother closing the door to MS

Blanca's move was just as poorly made as Ricciardo's on Raikkonen. Same difference and In Ricciardo's case, this is just another example of his terrible judgment when it comes to attempting passes from too far back. He was fortunate his momentum and the direction of the track made it easy for Raikkonen's car to be affected by his nudge because otherwise as Raikkonen turned it it would've put him into the wall and wrecked his car.

He did the same thing in Spain last week and it was once again further affirmation that his is nowhere near a "Late Braking God". FAR From it.
More like a terrible decision making far too late in the braking zone guy. He's gotten this move wrong many more time than he's gotten it correct. Just a dumb move he needs to learn to not attempt in the way he's been doing. Interestingly, Lewis has been crucified for pulling a much smarter attempt at a lunge down the inside, still correcting to ensure he avoided contact. Go figure.

None of that is any different from what we have seen lulu do many times before.

Blanca? Lulu? Where do those names come from?

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:I recall Ross Brawn parading around armed with photos of green lights, the same green lights that up until that moment in time meant "race on"

On any other lap, yes. Not on the final lap under SC. But, as I said, it was an interesting ploy to score points. Money talks.

They only confirmed this after the race had concluded. The regulation was so poorly written different teams had a different interpretation of it

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:It was one of those times that F1 shot itself in the foot. Like Grosjean getting the penalty for overtaking Massa on the kerb in Hungary 2013. That's the racing we want to see, not DRS-assisted Scalextric

The two cases are too different to be compared. I couldn't agree more that Grosjean was incorrectly punished, and even Massa supported that. Of course, he could have acted in accordance with the rules himself, rather than run Grosjean off the track.

So, while I agree that in the Grosjean/Massa case, the stewards got it wrong, in the case of Schumacher/Alonso, they didn't. I would find it interesting to know why the rules were changed for cosmetic reasons, so that the cars could finish the lap without the SC in front of them.

Obviously the manner of the overtake was totally different. But the stewards making a balls of it was quite the same

rivf1 wrote:

F1 MERCENARY wrote:

nixxxon wrote:Bianchi on Kobayashi in 2014. (0:30)



Sergio Perez show in 2013.

mcdo wrote:Schumacher in 2006, Alonso in 2010 and Verstappen in 2015 come to mind.

My favourite ever is one that was ridiculously deemed illegal

Well, not sure if it was correctly deemed illegal or not, but I dont think its a good overtake because Alonso was told that it was not allowed to overtake so he didnt bother closing the door to MS

Blanca's move was just as poorly made as Ricciardo's on Raikkonen. Same difference and In Ricciardo's case, this is just another example of his terrible judgment when it comes to attempting passes from too far back. He was fortunate his momentum and the direction of the track made it easy for Raikkonen's car to be affected by his nudge because otherwise as Raikkonen turned it it would've put him into the wall and wrecked his car.

He did the same thing in Spain last week and it was once again further affirmation that his is nowhere near a "Late Braking God". FAR From it.
More like a terrible decision making far too late in the braking zone guy. He's gotten this move wrong many more time than he's gotten it correct. Just a dumb move he needs to learn to not attempt in the way he's been doing. Interestingly, Lewis has been crucified for pulling a much smarter attempt at a lunge down the inside, still correcting to ensure he avoided contact. Go figure.

None of that is any different from what we have seen lulu do many times before.

So now Hamilton haters are making up names for him. Interesting.

And while all drivers sometimes get it wrong, the difference between the elites is that for them it's the exception. For Ricciardo, as much as I genuinely like the guy, this is simply too regular an occurrence and he needs to learn that if it's too optimistic feeling and looking, it probably is and he should get closer before attempting passes that rely on the other guy making way at the last second to avoid crashes. Honestly anyone can do that. He's shown he has excellent ability but at times grows desperate and goes for it in the hopes he squeaks by rather than bide his time to better calculate passing attempts.

nixxxon wrote:Blanca? Lulu? Where do those names come from?

Darned Autocorrect… I meant Bianchi.

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote: They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Could you help me find which other teams got the rule as "wrong" as Mercedes?

I know Alonso checked what to do with his team, but I can't see that as an indication of an unclear rule, as the team itself was crystal clear about it.

They were not mentioned in any article I can find. Andy Benson in his article doesn't mention any names, but he does say that out of the 6 teams in the top 10 places, 3 told them to race, 2 not to race and one to race but not overtake.

Spin it all you want Fiki, the rule was not clear cut for half these teams. If it was clear to you then good for you, but last time I checked Fiki was not a team principal. If the FIA themselves admitted that the rule was confusing, then seriously, what is your problem? Again, half of these 6 teams were confused, not only Mercedes.

Do you have a link to a message that the FIA agreed the rule was poorly written? It wasn't, or Mercedes would have appealed. No spin is needed, at least not on the sides of the FIA or myself.

The Rules wrote:"if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

Which part of "without overtaking" Brawn wanted to spin, I have no idea.

Source of the quote: Autosport.com

mcdo wrote:

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:I recall Ross Brawn parading around armed with photos of green lights, the same green lights that up until that moment in time meant "race on"

On any other lap, yes. Not on the final lap under SC. But, as I said, it was an interesting ploy to score points. Money talks.

They only confirmed this after the race had concluded. The regulation was so poorly written different teams had a different interpretation of it

Fiki wrote:

mcdo wrote:It was one of those times that F1 shot itself in the foot. Like Grosjean getting the penalty for overtaking Massa on the kerb in Hungary 2013. That's the racing we want to see, not DRS-assisted Scalextric

The two cases are too different to be compared. I couldn't agree more that Grosjean was incorrectly punished, and even Massa supported that. Of course, he could have acted in accordance with the rules himself, rather than run Grosjean off the track.

So, while I agree that in the Grosjean/Massa case, the stewards got it wrong, in the case of Schumacher/Alonso, they didn't. I would find it interesting to know why the rules were changed for cosmetic reasons, so that the cars could finish the lap without the SC in front of them.

Obviously the manner of the overtake was totally different. But the stewards making a balls of it was quite the same

No, in one case, they got it wrong. In the other, they got it spot-on.

Do you have a link to which teams told their drivers to race? And if they did, was this after seeing Schumacher break them, or before, as Brawn did?

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote: They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Could you help me find which other teams got the rule as "wrong" as Mercedes?

I know Alonso checked what to do with his team, but I can't see that as an indication of an unclear rule, as the team itself was crystal clear about it.

They were not mentioned in any article I can find. Andy Benson in his article doesn't mention any names, but he does say that out of the 6 teams in the top 10 places, 3 told them to race, 2 not to race and one to race but not overtake.

Spin it all you want Fiki, the rule was not clear cut for half these teams. If it was clear to you then good for you, but last time I checked Fiki was not a team principal. If the FIA themselves admitted that the rule was confusing, then seriously, what is your problem? Again, half of these 6 teams were confused, not only Mercedes.

Do you have a link to a message that the FIA agreed the rule was poorly written? It wasn't, or Mercedes would have appealed. No spin is needed, at least not on the sides of the FIA or myself.

The Rules wrote:"if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

Which part of "without overtaking" Brawn wanted to spin, I have no idea.

Source of the quote: Autosport.com

But the safety car wasn't still deployed hence the green flag. How did the teams know this was a safety car finish when green flags were shown and the safety car was not on track.

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote: They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Could you help me find which other teams got the rule as "wrong" as Mercedes?

I know Alonso checked what to do with his team, but I can't see that as an indication of an unclear rule, as the team itself was crystal clear about it.

They were not mentioned in any article I can find. Andy Benson in his article doesn't mention any names, but he does say that out of the 6 teams in the top 10 places, 3 told them to race, 2 not to race and one to race but not overtake.

Spin it all you want Fiki, the rule was not clear cut for half these teams. If it was clear to you then good for you, but last time I checked Fiki was not a team principal. If the FIA themselves admitted that the rule was confusing, then seriously, what is your problem? Again, half of these 6 teams were confused, not only Mercedes.

Do you have a link to a message that the FIA agreed the rule was poorly written? It wasn't, or Mercedes would have appealed. No spin is needed, at least not on the sides of the FIA or myself.

The Rules wrote:"if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

Which part of "without overtaking" Brawn wanted to spin, I have no idea.

Source of the quote: Autosport.com

Naaah, the FIA clarified a rule because it was clearly written...

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote: They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Could you help me find which other teams got the rule as "wrong" as Mercedes?

I know Alonso checked what to do with his team, but I can't see that as an indication of an unclear rule, as the team itself was crystal clear about it.

They were not mentioned in any article I can find. Andy Benson in his article doesn't mention any names, but he does say that out of the 6 teams in the top 10 places, 3 told them to race, 2 not to race and one to race but not overtake.

Spin it all you want Fiki, the rule was not clear cut for half these teams. If it was clear to you then good for you, but last time I checked Fiki was not a team principal. If the FIA themselves admitted that the rule was confusing, then seriously, what is your problem? Again, half of these 6 teams were confused, not only Mercedes.

Do you have a link to a message that the FIA agreed the rule was poorly written? It wasn't, or Mercedes would have appealed. No spin is needed, at least not on the sides of the FIA or myself.

The Rules wrote:"if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

Which part of "without overtaking" Brawn wanted to spin, I have no idea.

Source of the quote: Autosport.com

The regulations had also stated

The Rules wrote:"As the safety car is approaching the pit entry the yellow flags and SC boards will be withdrawn and replaced by waved green flags with green lights at the Line. These will be displayed until the last car crosses the Line."

Clearly this did not take place. The race went green before the line and, crucially, after the Safety Car line where it's legal to overtake. Race back on

Additionally, the cause of the Safety Car had been removed and the teams were informed that the Safety Car was coming back in. That meant that the Safety Car was no longer deployed, which means your rule above didn't apply. The rule you have quoted didn't state that if the Safety Car is out at the beginning of the last lap, the race automatically ends under Safety Car conditions (and the Safety Car would return to the pits) - if that was the FIA's intention then they should have written the rule that way

Merc appealing the penalty was futile. It was a drive through penalty (converted to a time penalty because it happened in the last 5 laps). Drive through penalties cannot be rescinded. Getting the FIA to clear up their rule was the only positive action Merc could hope to achieve (which they achieved without appealing)

mikeyg123 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote:

Fiki wrote:

Siao7 wrote: They withdrew the appeal since the FIA agreed to review the rule. For the greater interest of the sport. And again, almost half the teams got it wrong and let their drivers race. But hey ho, whatever makes you happy

Could you help me find which other teams got the rule as "wrong" as Mercedes?

I know Alonso checked what to do with his team, but I can't see that as an indication of an unclear rule, as the team itself was crystal clear about it.

They were not mentioned in any article I can find. Andy Benson in his article doesn't mention any names, but he does say that out of the 6 teams in the top 10 places, 3 told them to race, 2 not to race and one to race but not overtake.

Spin it all you want Fiki, the rule was not clear cut for half these teams. If it was clear to you then good for you, but last time I checked Fiki was not a team principal. If the FIA themselves admitted that the rule was confusing, then seriously, what is your problem? Again, half of these 6 teams were confused, not only Mercedes.

Do you have a link to a message that the FIA agreed the rule was poorly written? It wasn't, or Mercedes would have appealed. No spin is needed, at least not on the sides of the FIA or myself.

The Rules wrote:"if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

Which part of "without overtaking" Brawn wanted to spin, I have no idea.

Source of the quote: Autosport.com

But the safety car wasn't still deployed hence the green flag. How did the teams know this was a safety car finish when green flags were shown and the safety car was not on track.

Quite simply, mikey, because they knew it was the final lap, and they had read the rule that said no overtaking.