
With Daniel ahead only by 10 points after 5 rounds and Max demonstrating incredible ability on his RBR debut, the game is definitely on. Who do you think will eventually come out on top, after 2016 season?
Herr Marko had more to do with Ricciardo's junior career than with Verstappens.flyboy10 wrote:Verstappen is the golden boy so Herr Marko will do everything in his power to help Max to beat Dan
How was Ricciardo faster on track? Max was glued on his behind and in the second stint closed up a gap of four seconds to under one second.chetan_rao wrote:While Max's victory is well-deserved, Dan wasn't exactly beaten on merit. Was faster on-track, then moved to a strategy that ultimately turned out slower in the end.
The race isn't about ONE stint, is it? Plus closing a gap means nothing if one can't pass, look at Kimi Vs. Max. Passing another identical car is far from a given even if one's faster in a particular set of circumstances.mds wrote:How was Ricciardo faster on track? Max was glued on his behind and in the second stint closed up a gap of four seconds to under one second.chetan_rao wrote:While Max's victory is well-deserved, Dan wasn't exactly beaten on merit. Was faster on-track, then moved to a strategy that ultimately turned out slower in the end.
Max was every bit as fast as Ricciardo on same tires.
I'm comparing them for speed in the first two stints because those were the only stints they were on equal tires.chetan_rao wrote:The race isn't about ONE stint, was it? Plus closing a gap means nothing if one can't pass, look at Kimi Vs. Max. Passing another identical car is far from a given even if one's faster in a particular set of circumstances.mds wrote:How was Ricciardo faster on track? Max was glued on his behind and in the second stint closed up a gap of four seconds to under one second.chetan_rao wrote:While Max's victory is well-deserved, Dan wasn't exactly beaten on merit. Was faster on-track, then moved to a strategy that ultimately turned out slower in the end.
Max was every bit as fast as Ricciardo on same tires.
What? I don't remember seeing thatmds wrote:
As for passing: Verstappen actually passed Vettel, unlike Ricciardo.
He's talking at the start when all the cars were bunched. The weak argument says it all.rivf1 wrote:What? I don't remember seeing thatmds wrote:
As for passing: Verstappen actually passed Vettel, unlike Ricciardo.
Look at the first lap again. Vettel moved in front after the start but Verstappen repassed on the outside of T3.rivf1 wrote:What? I don't remember seeing thatmds wrote:
As for passing: Verstappen actually passed Vettel, unlike Ricciardo.
What's weak about it? He passed in a clean and good manoeuvre.jrwb6e wrote:He's talking at the start when all the cars were bunched. The weak argument says it all.rivf1 wrote:What? I don't remember seeing thatmds wrote:
As for passing: Verstappen actually passed Vettel, unlike Ricciardo.
oh dearrivf1 wrote:Shouldn't be long before they are swapping parts from Dan's car to help max when needed, not like they ever done that before.
What is oh dear about it? Do you deny they ever did that?Zoue wrote:oh dearrivf1 wrote:Shouldn't be long before they are swapping parts from Dan's car to help max when needed, not like they ever done that before.
Comparing apples and oranges is weak. Ricciardo was in Vettel's dirty air and Vettel had clean air. The passing maneuver was at the start with dirty air all around.mds wrote:What's weak about it? He passed in a clean and good manoeuvre.
My standard response to conspiracy theoriesrivf1 wrote:What is oh dear about it? Do you deny they ever did that?Zoue wrote:oh dearrivf1 wrote:Shouldn't be long before they are swapping parts from Dan's car to help max when needed, not like they ever done that before.
They were in single file already by the time Verstappen passed.jrwb6e wrote:Comparing apples and oranges is weak. Ricciardo was in Vettel's dirty air and Vettel had clean air. The passing maneuver was at the start with dirty air all around.mds wrote:What's weak about it? He passed in a clean and good manoeuvre.
The funny thing is though, it could just as easily have been Kvyat winning today had the swap not happened, but pundits and fans wont look at it like that. Max qualified 4 tenths down on Ric, and was very lucky to be on the same row as his team-mate - often such a gap will see you further back. Kvyat is capable of a similar quali performance, and all things being equal could have been in Max's position today...but that's sport, right place, right time, and you're the next big thing. Can't help but feel for Ric also, no matter what he does this year it's not quite working out for him, despite putting in generally excellent performances.slide wrote:well max had a big smile at the end and Riccardo was not quite his happy self , and I think the race worried him ever so slightly for the future
the swop we saw has been so successful that its easy to see it will be happening a lot more , and the future of F1 drivers will be less secure in the future after this , and expect to see fewer "middle of the grid and back of the grid" drivers make full seasons
its now the days of have a bad race and you could be out
Very true.Atomicunderware wrote:The funny thing is though, it could just as easily have been Kvyat winning today had the swap not happened, but pundits and fans wont look at it like that. Max qualified 4 tenths down on Ric, and was very lucky to be on the same row as his team-mate - often such a gap will see you further back. Kvyat is capable of a similar quali performance, and all things being equal could have been in Max's position today...but that's sport, right place, right time, and you're the next big thing. Can't help but feel for Ric also, no matter what he does this year it's not quite working out for him, despite putting in generally excellent performances.slide wrote:well max had a big smile at the end and Riccardo was not quite his happy self , and I think the race worried him ever so slightly for the future
the swop we saw has been so successful that its easy to see it will be happening a lot more , and the future of F1 drivers will be less secure in the future after this , and expect to see fewer "middle of the grid and back of the grid" drivers make full seasons
its now the days of have a bad race and you could be out
Or maybe not. You cannot tell how Kvyat would have done, you can only guess because you don't have all the variables. For example: perhaps the reason they switched the drivers was because Kvyat could not get used to the characteristics of the car. Such problems could have made it very difficult to fight of Kimi Raikkonen.Paolo_Lasardi wrote:Very true.Atomicunderware wrote:The funny thing is though, it could just as easily have been Kvyat winning today had the swap not happened, but pundits and fans wont look at it like that. Max qualified 4 tenths down on Ric, and was very lucky to be on the same row as his team-mate - often such a gap will see you further back. Kvyat is capable of a similar quali performance, and all things being equal could have been in Max's position today...but that's sport, right place, right time, and you're the next big thing. Can't help but feel for Ric also, no matter what he does this year it's not quite working out for him, despite putting in generally excellent performances.slide wrote:well max had a big smile at the end and Riccardo was not quite his happy self , and I think the race worried him ever so slightly for the future
the swop we saw has been so successful that its easy to see it will be happening a lot more , and the future of F1 drivers will be less secure in the future after this , and expect to see fewer "middle of the grid and back of the grid" drivers make full seasons
its now the days of have a bad race and you could be out
I think today is a pretty good indicator, although the result not so much agreed. Ricciardo is clearly very quick, so seems very impressive just how much Max has pushed him before strategy took over. I can see DR edging the next third of the season, with Verstappen slightly stronger of the two towards the end. This one could be a good fight though. Verstappen to edge it for me but in reality to close to call at this stage.Warheart01 wrote:Today isn't that good of an indicator. It was Ricciardos race to win had RBR given him the better strategy (which they probably thought they did).
Verstappen was very impressive this weekend though and proved that he is the real deal, especially as it was the first race with the team.
I still want to believe that Ricciardo is that one bit better but this fight will be close.
I think that Ricciardo was just unsure about the strategy which saw him lose the race.slide wrote:well max had a big smile at the end and Riccardo was not quite his happy self , and I think the race worried him ever so slightly for the future
the swop we saw has been so successful that its easy to see it will be happening a lot more , and the future of F1 drivers will be less secure in the future after this , and expect to see fewer "middle of the grid and back of the grid" drivers make full seasons
its now the days of have a bad race and you could be out
Kvyat would have been a lot slower in the raceAtomicunderware wrote:The funny thing is though, it could just as easily have been Kvyat winning today had the swap not happened, but pundits and fans wont look at it like that. Max qualified 4 tenths down on Ric, and was very lucky to be on the same row as his team-mate - often such a gap will see you further back. Kvyat is capable of a similar quali performance, and all things being equal could have been in Max's position today...but that's sport, right place, right time, and you're the next big thing. Can't help but feel for Ric also, no matter what he does this year it's not quite working out for him, despite putting in generally excellent performances.slide wrote:well max had a big smile at the end and Riccardo was not quite his happy self , and I think the race worried him ever so slightly for the future
the swop we saw has been so successful that its easy to see it will be happening a lot more , and the future of F1 drivers will be less secure in the future after this , and expect to see fewer "middle of the grid and back of the grid" drivers make full seasons
its now the days of have a bad race and you could be out
Did they though, or was it just a combination of the three stop not working quite as well as planned, plus being compromised by Vettel making his 3rd stop so early for the undercut. I imagine DR would have had a much better shot at overtaking the two stoppers, than Vettel on an offset 3 stop.infi24r wrote:Ricciardo had the race won and they put him on the wrong strategy. Its still a bit unclear their motives behind doing this.
Wrong thread?infi24r wrote:Ricciardo had track position and would have gotten the undercut with each pit stop. No way was Verstappen getting by.
Exactly right, there really was nothing between the top 4, dan couldn't over take vettell and raikkonen couldn't get past max. It's done and dusted now, marko has his new favourite and dan is number two from now on, so he can either deal with that or get a ride elsewhere.infi24r wrote:Ricciardo had track position and would have gotten the undercut with each pit stop. No way was Verstappen getting by.