Official 2016 Russian Grand Prix Race Thread!

Lojik · Post by **Lojik** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:19 pm

wow there has to be some kind of repercussion for Kvyat's awful driving!

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:19 pm

flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?

I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:20 pm

Amon wrote:omg Kvyat should be black flagged, he hit Seb twice!!!

Just saw it on replay.

Indeed. I wasn't angry at him last race, but this time seriously....

flyboy10 · Post by **flyboy10** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:20 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.

Did that actually happen?

OutKast · Post by **OutKast** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:20 pm

IDrinkYourMilkshake · Sun May 01, 2016 12:21 pm

I think Kvyat punctured Vettel by hitting him twice, then Vettel could be seen weaving due to the puncture, and of course he had to life the throttle, and Kvyat rammed into him again. Penalties for Kvyat for the first two hits. If Ricciardo's car wasn't there, Vettel would've spun 180 degrees.

Mr-E · Post by **Mr-E** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:21 pm

Wow!

It seems he tried hard to finish off Vettel. Not once but twice!! Stupid boy.

steoc4 · Post by **steoc4** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:22 pm

Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:22 pm

flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.
Did that actually happen?

Yeah if you watch Hamilton went off track ahead of the STR and ended up ahead of the STR. He gained positions but imedietly pulled to the left to allow people back through. Quite honestly I hope other drivers follow his lead.

Amon · Post by **Amon** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:23 pm

But looking at the second time Kvyat hit Seb it seemed he had no intention to slow down like he just wanted to ram him of the track...

OutKast · Post by **OutKast** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:23 pm

Mr-E wrote:Wow! It seems he tried hard to finish off Vettel. Not once but twice!! Stupid boy.

Lol.

It happens, but that second hit was a bit too much. To call him Maldonado is overly premature.

steoc4 · Post by **steoc4** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:23 pm

flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.
Did that actually happen?

No it didn't

Amon · Post by **Amon** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:25 pm

steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.

Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.

DirtyMike · Post by **DirtyMike** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:25 pm

Williams have to be pro active on their strategy here ! They always manage to get it wrong but if they can pit first and neutralise the undercut they may have a chance of keeping 2nd!

Quark · Post by **Quark** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:25 pm

Kvyat needs to be banned from racing. The second hit looked almost intentional.

steoc4 · Post by **steoc4** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:26 pm

DirtyMike wrote:Williams have to be pro active on their strategy here ! They always manage to get it wrong but if they can pit first and neutralise the undercut they may have a chance of keeping 2nd!

With the time it takes to warm the tyres at Sochi the undercut isn't expected to work. A Mercedes 1-2 is pretty much inevitable at this point, but Bottas has a good chance of beating Kimi to the podium.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:27 pm

steoc4 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.
Did that actually happen?
No it didn't

I suggest to watch again.

hittheapex · Post by **hittheapex** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:27 pm

Amon wrote:But looking at the second time Kvyat hit Seb it seemed he had no intention to slow down like he just wanted to ram him of the track...

I'd like to see the telemetry. ("Would you now?" say the FIA).

Drivers can be caught out badly, thinking of when Ralf was launched after Villeneuve's engine failure at Melbourne in 2001. On the face of it I agree, it just didn't look like Kvyat was thinking about slowing down. Not sure about wanting to ram him off the track but worried about keeping momentum in the pack.

Very considerate of Vettel to help his old team mate Ricciardo by protecting him from Kvyat though.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:29 pm

Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.

That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.

PzR Slim · Post by **PzR Slim** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:31 pm

This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.

Gumption · Post by **Gumption** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:32 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.

Given that he already hit Vettel, Vettel's car was swurving a little and he was right behind Vettel, a driver at that level should be able to connect the dots and anticipate slower acceleration. Race ban should definitely take place.

PzR Slim · Post by **PzR Slim** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:33 pm

I think a 10 sec stop/go is not punishment enough for Kyvat.

DirtyMike · Post by **DirtyMike** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:34 pm

steoc4 wrote:
DirtyMike wrote:Williams have to be pro active on their strategy here ! They always manage to get it wrong but if they can pit first and neutralise the undercut they may have a chance of keeping 2nd!

With the time it takes to warm the tyres at Sochi the undercut isn't expected to work. A Mercedes 1-2 is pretty much inevitable at this point, but Bottas has a good chance of beating Kimi to the podium.

Ah! That makes sense. Lets see what happens here !

Amon · Post by **Amon** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:34 pm

PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.

Bottas ain't slow though, Massa isn't catching up with them. But it is playing into Nico's hands nicely again.

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:36 pm

Good one Bottas

PzR Slim · Post by **PzR Slim** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:37 pm

Amon wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.
Bottas ain't slow though, Massa isn't catching up with them. But it is playing into Nico's hands nicely again.

He's significantly slower than Rosberg and hence Hamilton. If Hamilton could get closer and just not get the job then fair enough but a faster car unable to get close enough to even attempt a pass is the major problem in F1.

flyboy10 · Post by **flyboy10** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:37 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.

Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?

Gumption · Post by **Gumption** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:37 pm

Williams' first strategic non-blunder... kudos to them.

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:38 pm

flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?

No, got one after Monza IIRC.

Amon · Post by **Amon** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:38 pm

flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?

Yes, so I don't see why a race ban for Kvyat would be too harsh now.

Amon · Post by **Amon** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:40 pm

dizlexik wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?
No, got one after Monza IIRC.

No, he was banned from the Monza race, D'Ambrosio took his place there, I remember that well enough.

F1_Ernie · Post by **F1_Ernie** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:40 pm

Bottas had DRS too then

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:42 pm

Amon wrote:No, he was banned from the Monza race, D'Ambrosio took his place there, I remember that well enough.

Fair enough.

Gumption · Post by **Gumption** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:45 pm

Had Kvyat taken out Hamilton by hitting him twice, I bet he would receive a race ban/black flag.

Asphalt_World · Post by **Asphalt_World** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:50 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.

On lap 1 when running side by side with other drivers and on cold tyres and off the perfect line, you can not assume anything.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:50 pm

flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?

Grosjean got a ban after multiple incidents through out the season. If Kvyat does it again then it may be a bit more reasonable.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:51 pm

Asphalt_World wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
On lap 1 when running side by side with other drivers and on cold tyres and off the perfect line, you can not assume anything.

I agree he made a mistake.

IDrinkYourMilkshake · Sun May 01, 2016 12:52 pm

PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.

Yes, and the geniuses in this sport have found the solution for 2017: more downforce. Every fan and driver is crying out against it, and yet it's going to happen, and as soon as the races, start, everyone will start crying how dull it is. This is mindnumbingly dumb.

steoc4 · Post by **steoc4** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:53 pm

IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.
Yes, and the geniuses in this sport have found the solution for 2017: more downforce. Every fan and driver is crying out against it, and yet it's going to happen, and as soon as the races, start, everyone will start crying how dull it is. This is mindnumbingly dumb.

It took him a lap to easily blast past after the pitstop - how much do you want the drivers in faster cars to have everything handed to them on a plate?

Amon · Post by **Amon** » Sun May 01, 2016 12:54 pm

mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?
Grosjean got a ban after multiple incidents through out the season. If Kvyat does it again then it may be a bit more reasonable.

Fair enough but Pastor didn't get one after multiple incidents, so they weren't at all consequent there.