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wow there has to be some kind of repercussion for Kvyat's awful driving!

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flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.

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Amon wrote:omg Kvyat should be black flagged, he hit Seb twice!!!

Just saw it on replay.
Indeed. I wasn't angry at him last race, but this time seriously.... x(
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mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.
Did that actually happen?

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Wow.
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I think Kvyat punctured Vettel by hitting him twice, then Vettel could be seen weaving due to the puncture, and of course he had to life the throttle, and Kvyat rammed into him again. Penalties for Kvyat for the first two hits. If Ricciardo's car wasn't there, Vettel would've spun 180 degrees.

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Wow! 8O It seems he tried hard to finish off Vettel. Not once but twice!! Stupid boy.
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Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.

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flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.
Did that actually happen?
Yeah if you watch Hamilton went off track ahead of the STR and ended up ahead of the STR. He gained positions but imedietly pulled to the left to allow people back through. Quite honestly I hope other drivers follow his lead.

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But looking at the second time Kvyat hit Seb it seemed he had no intention to slow down like he just wanted to ram him of the track...
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Mr-E wrote:Wow! 8O It seems he tried hard to finish off Vettel. Not once but twice!! Stupid boy.
Lol.

It happens, but that second hit was a bit too much. To call him Maldonado is overly premature.
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flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.
Did that actually happen?
No it didn't

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steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
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Williams have to be pro active on their strategy here ! They always manage to get it wrong but if they can pit first and neutralise the undercut they may have a chance of keeping 2nd!
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Kvyat needs to be banned from racing. The second hit looked almost intentional.

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DirtyMike wrote:Williams have to be pro active on their strategy here ! They always manage to get it wrong but if they can pit first and neutralise the undercut they may have a chance of keeping 2nd!

With the time it takes to warm the tyres at Sochi the undercut isn't expected to work. A Mercedes 1-2 is pretty much inevitable at this point, but Bottas has a good chance of beating Kimi to the podium.

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steoc4 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:Are drivers allowed to make up places by overtaking while going around the polystyrene marker board?
I guess it's not a problem so long as you let everyone you overtook back through as Hamilton did.
Did that actually happen?
No it didn't
I suggest to watch again.

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Amon wrote:But looking at the second time Kvyat hit Seb it seemed he had no intention to slow down like he just wanted to ram him of the track...
I'd like to see the telemetry. ("Would you now?" say the FIA).

Drivers can be caught out badly, thinking of when Ralf was launched after Villeneuve's engine failure at Melbourne in 2001. On the face of it I agree, it just didn't look like Kvyat was thinking about slowing down. Not sure about wanting to ram him off the track but worried about keeping momentum in the pack.

Very considerate of Vettel to help his old team mate Ricciardo by protecting him from Kvyat though.
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Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.

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This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.
If...

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Given that he already hit Vettel, Vettel's car was swurving a little and he was right behind Vettel, a driver at that level should be able to connect the dots and anticipate slower acceleration. Race ban should definitely take place.

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I think a 10 sec stop/go is not punishment enough for Kyvat.
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steoc4 wrote:
DirtyMike wrote:Williams have to be pro active on their strategy here ! They always manage to get it wrong but if they can pit first and neutralise the undercut they may have a chance of keeping 2nd!

With the time it takes to warm the tyres at Sochi the undercut isn't expected to work. A Mercedes 1-2 is pretty much inevitable at this point, but Bottas has a good chance of beating Kimi to the podium.
Ah! That makes sense. Lets see what happens here !
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PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.
Bottas ain't slow though, Massa isn't catching up with them. But it is playing into Nico's hands nicely again.
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Good one Bottas :)
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Amon wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.
Bottas ain't slow though, Massa isn't catching up with them. But it is playing into Nico's hands nicely again.
He's significantly slower than Rosberg and hence Hamilton. If Hamilton could get closer and just not get the job then fair enough but a faster car unable to get close enough to even attempt a pass is the major problem in F1.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?

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Williams' first strategic non-blunder... kudos to them.

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flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?
No, got one after Monza IIRC.
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flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?
Yes, so I don't see why a race ban for Kvyat would be too harsh now.
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dizlexik wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?
No, got one after Monza IIRC.
No, he was banned from the Monza race, D'Ambrosio took his place there, I remember that well enough.
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Bottas had DRS too then
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Amon wrote:No, he was banned from the Monza race, D'Ambrosio took his place there, I remember that well enough.
Fair enough. :thumbup:
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Had Kvyat taken out Hamilton by hitting him twice, I bet he would receive a race ban/black flag.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
On lap 1 when running side by side with other drivers and on cold tyres and off the perfect line, you can not assume anything.
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flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?
Grosjean got a ban after multiple incidents through out the season. If Kvyat does it again then it may be a bit more reasonable.

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Asphalt_World wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
On lap 1 when running side by side with other drivers and on cold tyres and off the perfect line, you can not assume anything.
I agree he made a mistake.

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PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.
Yes, and the geniuses in this sport have found the solution for 2017: more downforce. Every fan and driver is crying out against it, and yet it's going to happen, and as soon as the races, start, everyone will start crying how dull it is. This is mindnumbingly dumb.

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IDrinkYourMilkshake wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:This battle for second is a perfect example of what is wrong with F1. Faster cars can't even get close enough to attempt to overtake others.
Yes, and the geniuses in this sport have found the solution for 2017: more downforce. Every fan and driver is crying out against it, and yet it's going to happen, and as soon as the races, start, everyone will start crying how dull it is. This is mindnumbingly dumb.

It took him a lap to easily blast past after the pitstop - how much do you want the drivers in faster cars to have everything handed to them on a plate?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Amon wrote:
steoc4 wrote:Pretty disgraceful driving from Kvyat there, stop go penalty doesn't seem sufficient.
Yup black flag or a race ban I would say.
That would be miles over the top. Lots of drivers have hit people up the back before. Kvyat just misjudged Vettel's speed through the corner. That corner is an accelation zone so you wouldn't expect him to be ready to slow down.
Did Grosjean get a ban after Belgium?
Grosjean got a ban after multiple incidents through out the season. If Kvyat does it again then it may be a bit more reasonable.
Fair enough but Pastor didn't get one after multiple incidents, so they weren't at all consequent there.
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