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This test will surely shed more light & give us better clues as to where everyone stands & where they are limping.

Not the complete lineup but here goes:

Day One, Tuesday March 1
Williams: Valtteri Bottas
Force India: Nico Hulkenberg
Sauber: Felipe Nasr
Haas: Esteban Gutierrez

Day Two, Wednesday March 2
Williams: Valtteri Bottas
Force India: Sergio Perez
Sauber: Marcus Ericsson
Haas: Esteban Gutierrez

Day Three, Thursday March 3
Williams: Felipe Massa
Force India: Nico Hulkenberg
Sauber: Felipe Nasr
Haas: Romain Grosjean

Day Four, Friday March 4
Williams: Felipe Massa
Force India: Sergio Perez
Sauber: Marcus Ericsson
Haas: Romain Grosjean

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10183083/f1-2016-testing-barcelona-test-two-to-reveal-more-new-season-clues

Real excited to see this test now as no one should hold back here.
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I guess its crunch time now and all teams will have to simulate a race as well as a qualifying lap at some point. Like Vettel said there is no point in sandbagging because there are issues that can only be revealed at maximum performance. You don't want these issues to reveal themselves during a race weekend. This week is going to be intriguing indeed!

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bonecrasher wrote:I guess its crunch time now and all teams will have to simulate a race as well as a qualifying lap at some point. Like Vettel said there is no point in sandbagging because there are issues that can only be revealed at maximum performance. You don't want these issues to reveal themselves during a race weekend. This week is going to be intriguing indeed!


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Finally, full list of the crucial testing lineup:

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/336163/driver-line-ups-confirmed-for-second-test/

Mercedes: Ros/Ham / Ham/Ros / Ros/Ham / Ham/Ros
Ferrari: Räikkönen / Vettel / Räikkönen / Vettel
Williams: Bottas / Bottas / Massa / Massa
Red Bull: Kvyat / Ricciardo / Kvyat / Ricciardo
Force India: Hülkenberg / Pérez / Hülkenberg / Pérez
Renault: Magnussen / Magnussen / Palmer / Palmer
Toro Rosso: Verstappen / Sainz Jr. / Verstappen / Sainz Jr.
Sauber: Nasr / Ericsson / Nasr / Ericsson
McLaren: Alonso / Button / Alonso / Button
Manor: Haryanto / TBC / TBC / TBC
Haas: Gutiérrez / Gutiérrez / Grosjean / Grosjean
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bonecrasher wrote:I guess its crunch time now and all teams will have to simulate a race as well as a qualifying lap at some point. Like Vettel said there is no point in sandbagging because there are issues that can only be revealed at maximum performance. You don't want these issues to reveal themselves during a race weekend. This week is going to be intriguing indeed!


Testing are for experimenting, and reliability mainly. I am sure all teams will do some low fuel and softer tyres to validate somethings but there is no need for qualifying mode in testing :-P
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I don't think that Mercedes will show their hand with a low fuel run. I suspect they'll be very cautious given the huge backlash after their 1-2 in Australia last year...
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F1Tyrant wrote:I don't think that Mercedes will show their hand with a low fuel run. I suspect they'll be very cautious given the huge backlash after their 1-2 in Australia last year...



I think this will be the case all year. They will only go as fast as they need to stay infront of any car not silver.

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I think mercedes would be daft not to see how the ultra soft tyres work on their car.
So I do expect to see them do some kind of low fuel run, maybe not giving it 100% but I do think we'll see them at the top of the time sheets at this next test. I know it's only testing though....

As it stands I think it's mercedes title to loose.

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Loose means something different to lo... oh, forget it. I give up on that.

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Here's hoping McLaren sand bagged last week then!

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say_hello_2_the_angels wrote:I think mercedes would be daft not to see how the ultra soft tyres work on their car.

I think they would get more useful information doing a heavier run rather than qualifying given degradation has been their Achilles heel more often than not.
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Hope Mercedes to some proper qually runs, to get info if we are for another Mercedes VS rest of the field championship

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Thanks so much for this.

This test is surely going to be a nailbitting one!
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STR livery will be shown within 15 minutes.

Not expecting that to be a shocker though. :)
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mds wrote:STR livery will be shown within 15 minutes.

Not expecting that to be a shocker though. :)


Who knows?

It could be good but 1 things for sure, the Red Bull's bull will be there.
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Promotional picture of Max ahead of the Toro Rosso unveiling:

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https://twitter.com/ScarbsF1/status/704565964197765120

Looks pretty bad.
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Test has started!
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And Ferrari once again not looking too eager to start lapping. Half an hour down, one lap done. Come on guys :/
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mds wrote:And Ferrari once again not looking too eager to start lapping. Half an hour down, one lap done. Come on guys :/

It's just testing. Sure doing many laps helps, but if the car is good, it will be quick all season. If bad, nothing will help.
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dizlexik wrote:
mds wrote:And Ferrari once again not looking too eager to start lapping. Half an hour down, one lap done. Come on guys :/

It's just testing. Sure doing many laps helps, but if the car is good, it will be quick all season. If bad, nothing will help.

But it is poor to have reliability issues on the only times they can actually go out and see if all the theory has paid off. For a team with the resources of Ferrari it's pretty bad to be spending invaluable data gathering time sitting in the garage

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dizlexik wrote:
mds wrote:And Ferrari once again not looking too eager to start lapping. Half an hour down, one lap done. Come on guys :/

It's just testing. Sure doing many laps helps, but if the car is good, it will be quick all season. If bad, nothing will help.


Learning about your new car helps getting up to speed with it faster - that's what testing is for. Sure, lap count isn't the be-all and end-all, but sitting in the garage isn't helping either.

Testing is very limited, we only have eight days. One hour down today and 3 laps - that is not OK.
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mds wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
mds wrote:And Ferrari once again not looking too eager to start lapping. Half an hour down, one lap done. Come on guys :/

It's just testing. Sure doing many laps helps, but if the car is good, it will be quick all season. If bad, nothing will help.


Learning about your new car helps getting up to speed with it faster - that's what testing is for. Sure, lap count isn't the be-all and end-all, but sitting in the garage isn't helping either.

Testing is very limited, we only have eight days. One hour down today and 3 laps - that is not OK.

Red Bull used to skip first sessions and it didn't stop them from winning titles.
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dizlexik wrote:
mds wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
mds wrote:And Ferrari once again not looking too eager to start lapping. Half an hour down, one lap done. Come on guys :/

It's just testing. Sure doing many laps helps, but if the car is good, it will be quick all season. If bad, nothing will help.


Learning about your new car helps getting up to speed with it faster - that's what testing is for. Sure, lap count isn't the be-all and end-all, but sitting in the garage isn't helping either.

Testing is very limited, we only have eight days. One hour down today and 3 laps - that is not OK.

Red Bull used to skip first sessions and it didn't stop them from winning titles.


Red Bull took the winter development process to its limits, sometimes resulting in them not being ready for testing from day 1. They also took extreme design decisions resulting in them having reliability issues impacting mileage during tests.

But Ferrari are there. Their car is ready. It's not the first day of testing. And they need info on how their car performs.
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Times are relatively close before Kimi went faster. I just hope Ferrari is not using full engine power because Mercedes don't. As many said last year they were more or less on par with them especially after shell new fuel improved the performance by 0.5secs. Also Ferrari definitely needs to be doing some workout in this test. They used to always complain about test being limited and previously their wind tunnel had some bug or something which used to give them wrong info.
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There you have it. Mercedes 2 tenths slower on the soft tyre than Vettel on the ultrasofts in the last test. A very telling lap.

Rosberg: 1:23.0 (S)
Vettel: 1:22.8 (US)
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F1Tyrant wrote:There you have it. Mercedes 2 tenths slower on the soft tyre than Vettel on the ultrasofts in the last test. A very telling lap.

Rosberg: 1:23.0 (S)
Vettel: 1:22.8 (US)

It doesn't tell anything.
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F1Tyrant wrote:There you have it. Mercedes 2 tenths slower on the soft tyre than Vettel on the ultrasofts in the last test. A very telling lap.

Rosberg: 1:23.0 (S)
Vettel: 1:22.8 (US)

Need to take fuel as well as the test they were running into account.

It dont tell us anything definitive.

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It tells us that's a very fast time, from a usually very fast team, to put it mildly. What it says about anyone else, sure we don't know.

But possibly it's not looking very good. For them

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dizlexik wrote:
F1Tyrant wrote:There you have it. Mercedes 2 tenths slower on the soft tyre than Vettel on the ultrasofts in the last test. A very telling lap.

Rosberg: 1:23.0 (S)
Vettel: 1:22.8 (US)

It doesn't tell anything.


It does tell that Rosberg was on Yellow walled softs whereas Vettel was on Pink walled ultrasofts!
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UnlikeUday wrote:
dizlexik wrote:
F1Tyrant wrote:There you have it. Mercedes 2 tenths slower on the soft tyre than Vettel on the ultrasofts in the last test. A very telling lap.

Rosberg: 1:23.0 (S)
Vettel: 1:22.8 (US)

It doesn't tell anything.


It does tell that Rosberg was on Yellow walled softs whereas Vettel was on Pink walled ultrasofts!


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Please quick question if anyone can help.

Is there any limit on the number of tyres teams can run during testing? Like can they just put on a brand new set every time they head out for a run if they wanted to

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justmoi wrote:It tells us that's a very fast time


I don't agree. It's slower than Rosbergs best time of last year, which was also set on softs. As the PU has progressed throughout 2015 and the past winter, and as the car has evolved and gotten faster, they should be able to lap quite a bit faster still.
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mds wrote:
justmoi wrote:It tells us that's a very fast time


I don't agree. It's slower than Rosbergs best time of last year, which was also set on softs. As the PU has progressed throughout 2015 and the past winter, and as the car has evolved and gotten faster, they should be able to lap quite a bit faster still.


Well going by the logic of people here saying we don't know fuel loads, programs, etc how do we know the car wasn't loaded with petrol? We certainly do not know that that's the fastest the Merc can go.

But in any case, all variables aside, for 2016 and these tests from everything we've seen thus far, that IS a very quick time. On 2 levels slower tyres than the others have set their fastest times so far. However much quicker everyone can possibly still run...

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F1Tyrant wrote:There you have it. Mercedes 2 tenths slower on the soft tyre than Vettel on the ultrasofts in the last test. A very telling lap.

Rosberg: 1:23.0 (S)
Vettel: 1:22.8 (US)



Formula Merc. I fully agree a very telling lap and im sure a lot of hearts have sunk in the pitlane. Yes fuel loads are unknown and im sure nobody has done a quali sim but the fuel load variable still doesnt cloud the fact that merc have probably got a clear advantage again imo. s**t.

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justmoi wrote:Well going by the logic of people here saying we don't know fuel loads, programs, etc how do we know the car wasn't loaded with petrol? We certainly do not know that that's the fastest the Merc can go.


That's basically my point. We don't know how fast they can go. We don't know how fast Ferrari can go. Or Williams. Or ...

But in any case, all variables aside, for 2016 and these tests from everything we've seen thus far, that IS a very quick time.


No. It is the quickest (taking tyres into account). Whether or not it is a very quick time, that depends fully on what these cars can actually do. And that we do not know.
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Caserole of Nonsense wrote:Formula Merc. I fully agree a very telling lap and im sure a lot of hearts have sunk in the pitlane.


Oh yes of course. Everybody went "Look, they have gone slower than last year on the same tyres! Wow we should give up already!"
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IMO Ferrari has lot of work to do. They are just not productive. Kimi has done 40 lap less than Mercedes. Hamilton will definitely do 70laps and a soft tyre run so another 150laps on the cards for them. May be times will be more faster and track also get faster if condition improve.
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