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Today Nico said (after Q3) that he was looking to save his tyres and underestimated Vettel, as 3 Rd was not the plan. He did not say he was going for pole, just that he wanted enough pace to cover Ferrari.

He also is the only Merc driver outspokenly worried about Ferrari. he no longer talks about Lewis.

He is also extremely worried about the teams position, ahead of his own, expecting a 1-2 but no longer seems concerned about where he is to Lewis.

This weekend has been very telling so far of his mindset, which is very defeatist at the moment.

Lewis on the other hand does not publicly speak about the Ferrari threat in detail, unless asked, at which point he is very curt with his responses. His focus is on winning, regardless of who he competes against.

Nico was very silly in the first post race interview inviting Vettel for a tour of Mercedes, and I just can't help but wonder what he feels now about those comments in relation to everything he has said about Ferrari since.

Nico seems to be done challenging Lewis - so far at least...

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That makes no sense. Why was he trying to save tires? You start the race with Q2 tires, not Q3.

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Nico Rosberg: P3 - 1:33.129: "Strategy wise I got it wrong. I was thinking too much about the race and I under-estimated Sebastian's speed. I took it easy in Q2 to save the race tyres, so I lacked the rhythm for Q3. That's where I went wrong today. Being third is not ideal."

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ReservoirDog wrote:That makes no sense. Why was he trying to save tires? You start the race with Q2 tires, not Q3.
It's not what he said, look up the real quotes from the PC.

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It must be so demoralizing for Rosberg. He's not a bad driver. Certainly above average on the grid but he's up against one of the best in Hamilton who's is relentless. He's being made to look almost amateur and it's got to hurt.
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Seious question - I appreciate we're a long way off this scenario but at what point do Mercedes start moving Rosberg aside for Hamilton if Vettel keeps his threat up?

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GingerFurball wrote:Seious question - I appreciate we're a long way off this scenario but at what point do Mercedes start moving Rosberg aside for Hamilton if Vettel keeps his threat up?
They won't need to move Rosberg aside for Hamilton since he will hardly ever be ahead. Hamilton has him. But in some rare situation, shall Ferrari become a real threat and it be required, then yes.

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GingerFurball wrote:Seious question - I appreciate we're a long way off this scenario but at what point do Mercedes start moving Rosberg aside for Hamilton if Vettel keeps his threat up?

Why move him aside? it would be better if Ferrari were in front to use him as a hare, and the ferraris would know they have to pace him or pass him as he could back them up.

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ReservoirDog wrote:That makes no sense. Why was he trying to save tires? You start the race with Q2 tires, not Q3.
You can still save your Q3 tyres to give them more life in the race (presuming they're available to use in the race and worth using).

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flyboy10 wrote:
ReservoirDog wrote:That makes no sense. Why was he trying to save tires? You start the race with Q2 tires, not Q3.
You can still save your Q3 tyres to give them more life in the race (presuming they're available to use in the race and worth using).
No, these one set options are allowed only for q3 and has to return back. Can't be used in race.

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robins13 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
ReservoirDog wrote:That makes no sense. Why was he trying to save tires? You start the race with Q2 tires, not Q3.
You can still save your Q3 tyres to give them more life in the race (presuming they're available to use in the race and worth using).
No, these one set options are allowed only for q3 and has to return back. Can't be used in race.
Well in that case it doesn't make a lot of sense.

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The competitive collapse of Rosberg in 2015 is astonishing. Except for Webber 2010 to 2011, I can't recall a driver who was a championship contender so utterly failing to match his teammate in any way the following season. He could only ever beat Hamilton by qualifying ahead, and now he's an average of half a second off in Q3! Shocking.

And this last excuse is frankly bizarre and literally incredible to me.
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flyboy10 wrote:
robins13 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
ReservoirDog wrote:That makes no sense. Why was he trying to save tires? You start the race with Q2 tires, not Q3.
You can still save your Q3 tyres to give them more life in the race (presuming they're available to use in the race and worth using).
No, these one set options are allowed only for q3 and has to return back. Can't be used in race.
Well in that case it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Read the exact quotes from Nico at 3rd post. He was saying he lost the rhythm in q3 since he was on tyre saving strategy at q2. But that's just a silly excuse.

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robins13 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
robins13 wrote:
flyboy10 wrote:
ReservoirDog wrote:That makes no sense. Why was he trying to save tires? You start the race with Q2 tires, not Q3.
You can still save your Q3 tyres to give them more life in the race (presuming they're available to use in the race and worth using).
No, these one set options are allowed only for q3 and has to return back. Can't be used in race.
Well in that case it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Read the exact quotes from Nico at 3rd post. He was saying he lost the rhythm in q3 since he was on tyre saving strategy at q2. But that's just a silly excuse.
More excuses.

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moby wrote:
GingerFurball wrote:Seious question - I appreciate we're a long way off this scenario but at what point do Mercedes start moving Rosberg aside for Hamilton if Vettel keeps his threat up?

Why move him aside? it would be better if Ferrari were in front to use him as a hare, and the ferraris would know they have to pace him or pass him as he could back them up.
In a scenario where Hamilton finds himself directly behind Rosberg on track, is X points ahead of Rosberg in the title race but only Y ahead of Vettel. I'm trying to work out what the values for X and Y would be where you'd make the call to Rosberg that 'Lewis is faster than you.'

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Exediron wrote:The competitive collapse of Rosberg in 2015 is astonishing. Except for Webber 2010 to 2011, I can't recall a driver who was a championship contender so utterly failing to match his teammate in any way the following season. He could only ever beat Hamilton by qualifying ahead, and now he's an average of half a second off in Q3! Shocking.

And this last excuse is frankly bizarre and literally incredible to me.

Even more astonishing when you consider who his previous team mate was

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How stupid does he look now with wanting ferrari to be competitive.

Problem is merc may need to play te orders this year to keep onedriver ahead of seb who will clearly get preferential Treatment at ferrari.

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w1Y! wrote:How stupid does he look now with wanting ferrari to be competitive.

Problem is merc may need to play te orders this year to keep onedriver ahead of seb who will clearly get preferential Treatment at ferrari.
Why clearly? What evidence is there that this is the case?

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w1Y! wrote:How stupid does he look now with wanting ferrari to be competitive.

Problem is merc may need to play te orders this year to keep onedriver ahead of seb who will clearly get preferential Treatment at ferrari.
Why stupid?


They are race drivers, its what they want. You can only race your team mate so far, then the boss steps in. Real racing id different.

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Once Ferrari get within striking distance (and there close already) in the Constructors Championship, team orders will most certainly come into play. Even over here in the colonies, where most people don't even know what F1 is, Mercedes is touting the championship in advertisements.

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w1Y! wrote:How stupid does he look now with wanting ferrari to be competitive.
It was condescending and arrogant and publicly demeaning to the other teams but now he has his pseudo-wish, hope he keeps enjoying it. Hamilton was just as bad as he was saying the same things in interviews. Red Bull and eventually McLaren are coming too to join the party so more competition will not be a problem soon for the Silver Arrows.

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mas wrote:
w1Y! wrote:How stupid does he look now with wanting ferrari to be competitive.
It was condescending and arrogant and publicly demeaning to the other teams but now he has his pseudo-wish, hope he keeps enjoying it. Hamilton was just as bad as he was saying the same things in interviews. Red Bull and eventually McLaren are coming too to join the party so more competition will not be a problem soon for the Silver Arrows.
What was? If we are talking about the same thing Rosberg said 'I hope they come closer, but not too close.'

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In q3 first run Nico ran his q2 tyres again? Didn't he only run once in q2 and does anyone know if Hamilton used his q2 tyres again?

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stevey wrote:In q3 first run Nico ran his q2 tyres again? Didn't he only run once in q2 and does anyone know if Hamilton used his q2 tyres again?
I would thing that the tires they used in the first run in Q3 were the ones they used in the second run in Q1. Therefore not their tires for the first stint in the race.
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RaggedMan wrote:
stevey wrote:In q3 first run Nico ran his q2 tyres again? Didn't he only run once in q2 and does anyone know if Hamilton used his q2 tyres again?
I would thing that the tires they used in the first run in Q3 were the ones they used in the second run in Q1. Therefore not their tires for the first stint in the race.

Correct.

The real people I this that he was ok and planning for 2nd, until Vettel ruined his big idea that 2nd is the new pole!

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RaggedMan wrote:
stevey wrote:In q3 first run Nico ran his q2 tyres again? Didn't he only run once in q2 and does anyone know if Hamilton used his q2 tyres again?
I would thing that the tires they used in the first run in Q3 were the ones they used in the second run in Q1. Therefore not their tires for the first stint in the race.
Yeah, since even Merc had to use the options in Q1, all of the banker laps in Q3 were done on used tires.

As to the OP; I don't think Nico has accepted 2nd place, I just think he's searching for a way to beat Lewis. Bahrain was a track where Nico was able to out-qualify Lewis last season. To be more than half a second off his pace here has to be pretty scary.

Lewis made a comment in the press conference about feeling like he can attack the corners in this car as opposed to last year's car where he didn't feel as confident. Considering he won 11 races last season, that's a scary comment.

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sandman1347 wrote:
RaggedMan wrote:
stevey wrote:In q3 first run Nico ran his q2 tyres again? Didn't he only run once in q2 and does anyone know if Hamilton used his q2 tyres again?
I would thing that the tires they used in the first run in Q3 were the ones they used in the second run in Q1. Therefore not their tires for the first stint in the race.
Yeah, since even Merc had to use the options in Q1, all of the banker laps in Q3 were done on used tires.

As to the OP; I don't think Nico has accepted 2nd place, I just think he's searching for a way to beat Lewis. Bahrain was a track where Nico was able to out-qualify Lewis last season. To be more than half a second off his pace here has to be pretty scary.

Lewis made a comment in the press conference about feeling like he can attack the corners in this car as opposed to last year's car where he didn't feel as confident. Considering he won 11 races last season, that's a scary comment.

Agreed that for nico to be that far off hamilton at this stage compared to last year is a shame. Every race that goes by and nico doesnt beat Hamilton in qulifying or even have a shot at a win, he will continue to self destruct. Now vettel is in his head as well along with hamilton. Soon even kimi. Rosberg needs to wake up quick.

As for the comment lewis made in regards to the car. I picked up on that as well. It is a very bold statement to say this car allows me to be more aggressive. It could also cause him to over drive the car. We shall see.
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mas wrote: Indies figure considering how seb is all of a sudden quick again. Needs an easy car to drive
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Will wait and see what Nico days in the pen, but he still looks like he's ok with being beaten by Lewis.

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brakes or unforced error? Not sure... :?:

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Has he spoken in the pen yet? I stepped away for a bit...

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He says he still had brakes but the pedal went down.

So he didn't lose brakes, just the feel.

He also says he could have held off Kimi.

His goal was 2nd.

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How telling is it that this issue opens up JUST at the point where Kimi catches him. We've seen him crack in the same way under pressure last year, so my take is that he found an excuse to lose the spot and will rinse it for all its worth now...

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If you go back to Spa last year, when Nico was after beating Hamilton comprehensively during the European season up to that point, then the two cars made contact that got blown up out of all proportion with the team bosses publicly attacking Nico, and some kind of "talk" happening behind closed doors.

Ever since then Nico has been more than happy to finish behind Lewis, including in circumstances some experts described as suspicious (e.g. driving off track in Monza to hand Lewis the lead), and the only time we've seen him upset ever since then was when Lewis backed him into the Ferrari and risked pushing him down to 3rd - at no point as he ever really acted displeased about being second. Add to that him qualifying third in Bahrain when he basically admitted he was targeting second and misjudged how fast Ferrari were, and it starts to make you wonder.

Then in the race today he was more than fast and aggressive enough to make some strong overtakes on the Ferraris, then every single time he got past Vettel into 2nd place, within a lap you heard the team radio where they were telling him to conserve fuel or tyres. Hard not to wonder if that's basically code for saying hang back and don't attack Lewis.

Not that it would be a surprise - straight after Lewis joined the team there was that race at Malaysia where they used team orders to give Hamilton the result over Nico who was faster, and it was often discussed before Lewis joined Merc that he would be getting a number 1 contract over a driver he knew he could beat from their time as team-mates in lower series, in contrast to Jenson who'd outscored him over their three years together at McLaren.

Over time it became clear that Lewis wasn't really any faster than Nico, plus Mercedes changed management and found themselves with a dominant car and the need to fabricate some sort of excitement in the championship, so they went on to let them race in 2014, but I do wonder if the contact in Spa was a step too far for them and Nico has been told in private that he's a number 2 since then. He's certainly acted like it. It would certainly explain the complete turn around after he had the upper hand in speed on Lewis prior to Spa.

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steoc4 wrote:If you go back to Spa last year, when Nico was after beating Hamilton comprehensively during the European season up to that point, then the two cars made contact that got blown up out of all proportion with the team bosses publicly attacking Nico, and some kind of "talk" happening behind closed doors.
European season:

Spain: Hamilton
Monaco: Rosberg (Quali Issue)
Austria: Rosberg (Hamilton started 9th)
Britain: Hamilton (Rosberg DNF)
Germany: Rosberg (Hamilton Quali issue no fault of his own)
Hungary: Hamilton (Hamilton Quali issue no fault of his own)
Belgian: Rosberg (Rosberg took Hamilton out)
Italy: Hamilton

I make that 4-4 (3-3 Prior to Spa). How is that a comprehensive beating?

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steoc4 wrote:If you go back to Spa last year, when Nico was after beating Hamilton comprehensively during the European season up to that point, then the two cars made contact that got blown up out of all proportion with the team bosses publicly attacking Nico, and some kind of "talk" happening behind closed doors.

Ever since then Nico has been more than happy to finish behind Lewis, including in circumstances some experts described as suspicious (e.g. driving off track in Monza to hand Lewis the lead), and the only time we've seen him upset ever since then was when Lewis backed him into the Ferrari and risked pushing him down to 3rd - at no point as he ever really acted displeased about being second. Add to that him qualifying third in Bahrain when he basically admitted he was targeting second and misjudged how fast Ferrari were, and it starts to make you wonder.

Then in the race today he was more than fast and aggressive enough to make some strong overtakes on the Ferraris, then every single time he got past Vettel into 2nd place, within a lap you heard the team radio where they were telling him to conserve fuel or tyres. Hard not to wonder if that's basically code for saying hang back and don't attack Lewis.

Not that it would be a surprise - straight after Lewis joined the team there was that race at Malaysia where they used team orders to give Hamilton the result over Nico who was faster, and it was often discussed before Lewis joined Merc that he would be getting a number 1 contract over a driver he knew he could beat from their time as team-mates in lower series, in contrast to Jenson who'd outscored him over their three years together at McLaren.

Over time it became clear that Lewis wasn't really any faster than Nico, plus Mercedes changed management and found themselves with a dominant car and the need to fabricate some sort of excitement in the championship, so they went on to let them race in 2014, but I do wonder if the contact in Spa was a step too far for them and Nico has been told in private that he's a number 2 since then. He's certainly acted like it. It would certainly explain the complete turn around after he had the upper hand in speed on Lewis prior to Spa.
... Is this serious?

Because if it is, what a load of conspiracy theory. It became clear that Lewis wasn't really any faster than Nico? Sure it did. Nico beating Lewis 'comprehensively' during the European season? He beat him straight up in exactly one race (two if you're being generous) of the European season. What's become clear this year is that Nico never was as fast as Lewis, and all of Hamilton's early trouble in 2014 just made it look like he was.
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steoc4 wrote:If you go back to Spa last year, when Nico was after beating Hamilton comprehensively during the European season up to that point, then the two cars made contact that got blown up out of all proportion with the team bosses publicly attacking Nico, and some kind of "talk" happening behind closed doors.

Ever since then Nico has been more than happy to finish behind Lewis, including in circumstances some experts described as suspicious (e.g. driving off track in Monza to hand Lewis the lead), and the only time we've seen him upset ever since then was when Lewis backed him into the Ferrari and risked pushing him down to 3rd - at no point as he ever really acted displeased about being second. Add to that him qualifying third in Bahrain when he basically admitted he was targeting second and misjudged how fast Ferrari were, and it starts to make you wonder.

Then in the race today he was more than fast and aggressive enough to make some strong overtakes on the Ferraris, then every single time he got past Vettel into 2nd place, within a lap you heard the team radio where they were telling him to conserve fuel or tyres. Hard not to wonder if that's basically code for saying hang back and don't attack Lewis.

Not that it would be a surprise - straight after Lewis joined the team there was that race at Malaysia where they used team orders to give Hamilton the result over Nico who was faster, and it was often discussed before Lewis joined Merc that he would be getting a number 1 contract over a driver he knew he could beat from their time as team-mates in lower series, in contrast to Jenson who'd outscored him over their three years together at McLaren.

Over time it became clear that Lewis wasn't really any faster than Nico, plus Mercedes changed management and found themselves with a dominant car and the need to fabricate some sort of excitement in the championship, so they went on to let them race in 2014, but I do wonder if the contact in Spa was a step too far for them and Nico has been told in private that he's a number 2 since then. He's certainly acted like it. It would certainly explain the complete turn around after he had the upper hand in speed on Lewis prior to Spa.
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shoot999 wrote:
steoc4 wrote:If you go back to Spa last year, when Nico was after beating Hamilton comprehensively during the European season up to that point, then the two cars made contact that got blown up out of all proportion with the team bosses publicly attacking Nico, and some kind of "talk" happening behind closed doors.

Ever since then Nico has been more than happy to finish behind Lewis, including in circumstances some experts described as suspicious (e.g. driving off track in Monza to hand Lewis the lead), and the only time we've seen him upset ever since then was when Lewis backed him into the Ferrari and risked pushing him down to 3rd - at no point as he ever really acted displeased about being second. Add to that him qualifying third in Bahrain when he basically admitted he was targeting second and misjudged how fast Ferrari were, and it starts to make you wonder.

Then in the race today he was more than fast and aggressive enough to make some strong overtakes on the Ferraris, then every single time he got past Vettel into 2nd place, within a lap you heard the team radio where they were telling him to conserve fuel or tyres. Hard not to wonder if that's basically code for saying hang back and don't attack Lewis.

Not that it would be a surprise - straight after Lewis joined the team there was that race at Malaysia where they used team orders to give Hamilton the result over Nico who was faster, and it was often discussed before Lewis joined Merc that he would be getting a number 1 contract over a driver he knew he could beat from their time as team-mates in lower series, in contrast to Jenson who'd outscored him over their three years together at McLaren.

Over time it became clear that Lewis wasn't really any faster than Nico, plus Mercedes changed management and found themselves with a dominant car and the need to fabricate some sort of excitement in the championship, so they went on to let them race in 2014, but I do wonder if the contact in Spa was a step too far for them and Nico has been told in private that he's a number 2 since then. He's certainly acted like it. It would certainly explain the complete turn around after he had the upper hand in speed on Lewis prior to Spa.
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If Hamilton didn't DNF in Australia last year, he wins the first 5 races and its even more dominant than this years championship so far. Australia and then Hamiltons issues in Monaco, Austria, Germany, Hungary and Spa made the title close last year. The same reason Vettel barely beat Webber in 2010 but then trounced him in 2011 and had done the year before in 2009.

In the last 13 race when both have finished Nico has finished ahead of Lewis once. Lewis has been ahead 10 times.

Nico is good at qualifying in Monaco so he has a very good chance of getting his Monaco hatrick this year. Also, just like last year. A Lewis DNF in Spain and inheritted win for Nico and it is 2014 all over again. However a DNF for Nico any time soon with Lewis winning makes it a mountain to climb and possibly he will genuinely be put in the number 2 role if Ferrari is close.

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