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pokerman wrote:

Need4Naiim wrote:Alonso did not faint due to electricity, but made him to lose control and couldn't park the car properly with sudden surge. McLaren will continue with a safer new chassis for Barcelona tests.

I hope McLaren will not lose much time with new chassis.

I don't know why Merc pair had health problems suddenly which prevented them from doing proper testing this year. Maybe some concerns about new chassis made them play it safer. I guess it is not about making track time equal between drivers.

That's definitely tin foil hat time, Hamilton had flu, Rosberg had a trapped nerve.

TheOtherGuy wrote:

dizlexik wrote:So he is still in hospital.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/31585149

I definitely think there is more to this than just a simple "hit the wall, has concussion".

InBetween wrote:Something really wierd going on here. It doesn't make sense that McLaren should be hiding something, the car went through all the required tests, the crash doesn't seem to be a catastrophic failure, etc.

Could it be something related to FA's health? That could be a lot more serious and very problematic for all parties involved. Spell of diziness, some kind of seizure? That is frightening and could signify FA not being in any condition to pilot an F1 car in the near future....implications are huge and could explain the wierd way all this is being handled.

Crossing my fingers its nothing of the sort.

PzR Slim wrote:


So looking at that picture again if his car hit the wall with a 15G force, as we have been told, at the steep angle you suggest would you not expect damage to the nose cone and for the front suspension to be ripped off the car? Neither is shown to the case in the pictures I have seen.

Need4Naiim wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Need4Naiim wrote:Alonso did not faint due to electricity, but made him to lose control and couldn't park the car properly with sudden surge. McLaren will continue with a safer new chassis for Barcelona tests.

I hope McLaren will not lose much time with new chassis.

I don't know why Merc pair had health problems suddenly which prevented them from doing proper testing this year. Maybe some concerns about new chassis made them play it safer. I guess it is not about making track time equal between drivers.

That's definitely tin foil hat time, Hamilton had flu, Rosberg had a trapped nerve.

I can choose where and whom to believe. Information is what you believe it is.

Need4Naiim wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Need4Naiim wrote:Alonso did not faint due to electricity, but made him to lose control and couldn't park the car properly with sudden surge. McLaren will continue with a safer new chassis for Barcelona tests.

I hope McLaren will not lose much time with new chassis.

I don't know why Merc pair had health problems suddenly which prevented them from doing proper testing this year. Maybe some concerns about new chassis made them play it safer. I guess it is not about making track time equal between drivers.

That's definitely tin foil hat time, Hamilton had flu, Rosberg had a trapped nerve.

I can choose where and whom to believe. Information is what you believe it is.

smoothcrim wrote:

PzR Slim wrote:


So looking at that picture again if his car hit the wall with a 15G force, as we have been told, at the steep angle you suggest would you not expect damage to the nose cone and for the front suspension to be ripped off the car? Neither is shown to the case in the pictures I have seen.

The nose cone wasn't the point of impact, why are you expecting damage there?

It was a side on impact and because of the shape of the corner and how the inside wall curves he has taken a big hit. Looks to me like he lost the rear at high speed and caught it to late and slammed the wall side on hard. Look how damaged the rear is in this picture.

Laura23 wrote:

Need4Naiim wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Need4Naiim wrote:Alonso did not faint due to electricity, but made him to lose control and couldn't park the car properly with sudden surge. McLaren will continue with a safer new chassis for Barcelona tests.

I hope McLaren will not lose much time with new chassis.

I don't know why Merc pair had health problems suddenly which prevented them from doing proper testing this year. Maybe some concerns about new chassis made them play it safer. I guess it is not about making track time equal between drivers.

That's definitely tin foil hat time, Hamilton had flu, Rosberg had a trapped nerve.

I can choose where and whom to believe. Information is what you believe it is.

There were no ERS problems. The ERS safe light on the car was green, it was safe. Stop trying to thrust your conspiracy theories on people.

We know he crashed, we know he suffered a concussion injury. That's it. McLaren don't need a safer chassis. They just need a new one while they investigate the old one for cracks.

smoothcrim wrote:Some people here would rather blame cosmic rays and magnetic fields instead of a bit of oversteer.

Get a grip.

Laura23 wrote:Need4Naim, you are the one who started claiming completely wrongly that Alonso lost control because of an electrics issue. Don't pass the buck too other people.

Autosport have said it was snap oversteer. Which makes complete sense. Alonso over corrected a move and it went wrong. It's happened before in the past and it will happen again.

Can we stop with the silly theories please? Next up you'll be accusing Alonso of shooting Elvis and flying to the moon with Michael Jackson on the back of a giant carrot.

mcdo wrote:

smoothcrim wrote:Some people here would rather blame cosmic rays and magnetic fields instead of a bit of oversteer.

Get a grip.

pokerman wrote:

Laura23 wrote:Need4Naim, you are the one who started claiming completely wrongly that Alonso lost control because of an electrics issue. Don't pass the buck too other people.

Autosport have said it was snap oversteer. Which makes complete sense. Alonso over corrected a move and it went wrong. It's happened before in the past and it will happen again.

Can we stop with the silly theories please? Next up you'll be accusing Alonso of shooting Elvis and flying to the moon with Michael Jackson on the back of a giant carrot.

Snap oversteer, perhaps caused by the wind?

In that case it's good to see it rules out any health problems for Alonso

A2jdl wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Laura23 wrote:Need4Naim, you are the one who started claiming completely wrongly that Alonso lost control because of an electrics issue. Don't pass the buck too other people.

Autosport have said it was snap oversteer. Which makes complete sense. Alonso over corrected a move and it went wrong. It's happened before in the past and it will happen again.

Can we stop with the silly theories please? Next up you'll be accusing Alonso of shooting Elvis and flying to the moon with Michael Jackson on the back of a giant carrot.

Snap oversteer, perhaps caused by the wind?

In that case it's good to see it rules out any health problems for Alonso

Other drivers claimed the same thing happened at that corner yesterday
I dont know why others cant understand it?

PzR Slim wrote:

A2jdl wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Laura23 wrote:Need4Naim, you are the one who started claiming completely wrongly that Alonso lost control because of an electrics issue. Don't pass the buck too other people.

Autosport have said it was snap oversteer. Which makes complete sense. Alonso over corrected a move and it went wrong. It's happened before in the past and it will happen again.

Can we stop with the silly theories please? Next up you'll be accusing Alonso of shooting Elvis and flying to the moon with Michael Jackson on the back of a giant carrot.

Snap oversteer, perhaps caused by the wind?

In that case it's good to see it rules out any health problems for Alonso

Other drivers claimed the same thing happened at that corner yesterday
I dont know why others cant understand it?

Vettels comments are one reason.

PzR Slim wrote:

A2jdl wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Laura23 wrote:Need4Naim, you are the one who started claiming completely wrongly that Alonso lost control because of an electrics issue. Don't pass the buck too other people.

Autosport have said it was snap oversteer. Which makes complete sense. Alonso over corrected a move and it went wrong. It's happened before in the past and it will happen again.

Can we stop with the silly theories please? Next up you'll be accusing Alonso of shooting Elvis and flying to the moon with Michael Jackson on the back of a giant carrot.

Snap oversteer, perhaps caused by the wind?

In that case it's good to see it rules out any health problems for Alonso

Other drivers claimed the same thing happened at that corner yesterday
I dont know why others cant understand it?

Vettels comments are one reason.

A2jdl wrote:

PzR Slim wrote:

A2jdl wrote:

pokerman wrote:

Laura23 wrote:Need4Naim, you are the one who started claiming completely wrongly that Alonso lost control because of an electrics issue. Don't pass the buck too other people.

Autosport have said it was snap oversteer. Which makes complete sense. Alonso over corrected a move and it went wrong. It's happened before in the past and it will happen again.

Can we stop with the silly theories please? Next up you'll be accusing Alonso of shooting Elvis and flying to the moon with Michael Jackson on the back of a giant carrot.

Snap oversteer, perhaps caused by the wind?

In that case it's good to see it rules out any health problems for Alonso

Other drivers claimed the same thing happened at that corner yesterday
I dont know why others cant understand it?

Vettels comments are one reason.

wouldnt snap oversteer be turning right then ?

German Vettel said the crash was unusual.
"The speed was slow, maybe 150kph," he said. "Then he turned right into the wall. It looked strange."

PzR Slim wrote:

A2jdl wrote:

PzR Slim wrote:

A2jdl wrote:

pokerman wrote: Snap oversteer, perhaps caused by the wind?

In that case it's good to see it rules out any health problems for Alonso

Other drivers claimed the same thing happened at that corner yesterday
I dont know why others cant understand it?

Vettels comments are one reason.

wouldnt snap oversteer be turning right then ?

It would be moving right but not turning right. And I assume Vettel would know the difference between oversteer and normal steering input.

He also said it looked strange.

German Vettel said the crash was unusual.
"The speed was slow, maybe 150kph," he said. "Then he turned right into the wall. It looked strange."

Once again Vettel knows what oversteer looks like so why make the above comment if it was a simple case of not catching a bit of oversteer?

pokerman wrote:I guess snap oversteer may give the same impression of a driver turning right?

A2jdl wrote:Thumbs up from Fernando
https://twitter.com/lsgrcbd/status/5698 ... 92/photo/1

PzR Slim wrote:

A2jdl wrote:Thumbs up from Fernando
https://twitter.com/lsgrcbd/status/5698 ... 92/photo/1

Doesn't look any worse the wear for his crash. So good news. As others have said though, concussion a big headline in both rugby and the NFL at the moment. Will be interesting to see if he is deemed fit enough to take part next week.

Laura23 wrote:Need4Naim, you are the one who started claiming completely wrongly that Alonso lost control because of an electrics issue. Don't pass the buck too other people.

Autosport have said it was snap oversteer. Which makes complete sense. Alonso over corrected a move and it went wrong. It's happened before in the past and it will happen again.

Can we stop with the silly theories please? Next up you'll be accusing Alonso of shooting Elvis and flying to the moon with Michael Jackson on the back of a giant carrot.

A2jdl wrote:

PzR Slim wrote:

A2jdl wrote:Thumbs up from Fernando
https://twitter.com/lsgrcbd/status/5698 ... 92/photo/1

Doesn't look any worse the wear for his crash. So good news. As others have said though, concussion a big headline in both rugby and the NFL at the moment. Will be interesting to see if he is deemed fit enough to take part next week.

He should be ok for the last two days of testing

We are pleased to confirm that, having been involved in an on-track incident at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya (Spain) on February 22nd, Fernando Alonso is making a solid recovery in hospital, and is chatting to family, friends and hospital staff.

From the scene of the incident he was driven to the circuit’s medical centre, where he was given first aid and, as per normal procedures, was sedated in preparation for an air-lift to hospital.

In hospital a thorough and complete analysis of his condition was performed, involving CT scans and MRI scans, all of which were completely normal.

In order to provide the privacy and tranquillity required to facilitate a peaceful recuperation, he is being kept in hospital for further observation, and to recover from the effects of the medication that successfully managed his routine sedation yesterday.

We intend to give him every opportunity to make a rapid and complete recovery, and will evaluate in due course whether or not he will participate in the next Barcelona test.

Over the past 24 hours, we have been carrying out a detailed analysis of the damage to Fernando’s car, and its associated telemetry data, in order fully to understand the cause, or causes, of his accident. Even at this early stage, we have been able to reach some firm conclusions.

His car ran wide at the entry to Turn Three – which is a fast uphill right-hander – allowing it to run onto the Astroturf that lines the outside of the track. A consequent loss of traction caused a degree of instability, spitting it back towards the inside of the circuit, where it regained traction and struck the wall side-on.

Our findings indicate that the accident was caused by the unpredictably gusty winds at that part of the circuit at that time, and which had affected other drivers similarly (eg, Carlos Sainz Jnr).

We can categorically state that there is no evidence that indicates that Fernando’s car suffered mechanical failure of any kind. We can also confirm that absolutely no loss of aerodynamic pressure was recorded, which fact indicates that the car did not suffer any aerodynamic loss, despite the fact that it was subjected to a significant level of g-force. Finally, we can also disclose that no electrical discharge or irregularity of any kind occurred in the car’s ERS system, either before, during or after the incident.

That last point refutes the erroneous rumours that have spread recently to the effect that Fernando was rendered unconscious by an electrical fault. That is simply not true. Our data clearly shows that he was downshifting while applying full brake pressure right up to the moment of the first impact – something that clearly would not have been possible had he been unconscious at the time.

Our data also confirms that Fernando’s car struck the inside concrete wall, first with its front-right wheel and then with its rear-right. It was a significant lateral impact, resulting in damage to the front upright and axle.

After the initial impact, the car slid down the wall for about 15 seconds before coming to a halt. All four wheels remained attached to the car, but no damage was sustained by the bodywork or crash structure between the front and rear wheels.

We wish Fernando a very speedy recovery. As and when we have further updates to share, we will of course do so.

nixxxon wrote:Sudden snap oversteer apparently dismissed by both Vetel and the photographer Jordi Vidal.

Alex53 wrote:I can't volunteer any theories with any degree of knowledge, but it does make me wonder why McLaren's explanation doesn't quite match what the 2 different people who were there saw, the photographer and Vettel.

huggybear wrote:

Alex53 wrote:I can't volunteer any theories with any degree of knowledge, but it does make me wonder why McLaren's explanation doesn't quite match what the 2 different people who were there saw, the photographer and Vettel.

McLaren's statement appears to contradict itself. They say Alonso lost grip because of the wind at T3, but also say that he suffered no loss of aerodynamic pressure. If he was affected by the wind, that surely affects his aero grip?