Alonso crash/missing Melbourne [MERGED]

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:02 pm

VDV23 wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Kev627 wrote:Sorry if this has already been posted but I thought DC made an interesting point, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31768613
I wonder if Fernando has fallen out with his new team already... Loses his drive at Ferrari, has nowhere else to go to than McLaren with whom he already has history, finds out the marriage with Honda is an absolute disaster, crashes the car, is hospitalized, maybe says a few heated words to the wrong person...
Crazy unlikely theory but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Magnussen driving more than the first race.
Now you are just making things up. He forced his Ferrari exit, not the other way around.

And DC doesn't make good points to begin with. From "staying for 3 days in the hospital for concussion is too much" they jump straight to "he's not motivated to drive a slow car".

Well it was by common consent (we'll unlikely ever know more detail than that).... What else am I making up in what I already said was a "theory"?

Battle Far · Post by **Battle Far** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:43 pm

InBetween wrote:That tweet is mighty suspicious...

Something fishy going on here...I really think its RD impersonating FA...FIA should look into it ASAP

Well it made me laugh out loud, I didn't need a /sarc

P-F1 Mod wrote:I realise that, but given the rumours that are currently flying around it's one I can easily see being taken seriously by someone. Sorry to take the fun out of it but it's meant to be a serious topic

In which case why not take some of the tin foil hat brigade to task rather than someone poking fun at their idiocy...

The best thing to do with conspiracy theorists is laugh at them, see @alo_oficial

#dondeTeHasDespertadoHoy #estañoSombreroLámina

PzR Slim · Post by **PzR Slim** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:39 pm

Flavio gives his tuppence worth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31806850

There's that 'strange' word again. It won't go away, even from those who are close to him. And he's not exactly complimentary about Mclaren either.

Post by **P-F1 Mod** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:44 pm

Battle Far wrote:
InBetween wrote:That tweet is mighty suspicious...

Something fishy going on here...I really think its RD impersonating FA...FIA should look into it ASAP
Well it made me laugh out loud, I didn't need a /sarc
P-F1 Mod wrote:I realise that, but given the rumours that are currently flying around it's one I can easily see being taken seriously by someone. Sorry to take the fun out of it but it's meant to be a serious topic
In which case why not take some of the tin foil hat brigade to task rather than someone poking fun at their idiocy...

The best thing to do with conspiracy theorists is laugh at them, see @alo_oficial

#dondeTeHasDespertadoHoy #estañoSombreroLámina

We have and are, on both points.

A2jdl · Post by **A2jdl** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:51 pm

PzR Slim wrote:Flavio gives his tuppence worth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31806850

There's that 'strange' word again. It won't go away, even from those who are close to him. And he's not exactly complimentary about Mclaren either.

Thanks for that as it confirms it was a normal accident but he hit the wall hard and he doesn't have any health problem to cause it and he said the mclaren was good.

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:55 am

Still find it strange that while e.g. Kubica participated in the next race following his horrible crash in Canada, Alonso doesn't after that relatively minor crash.

Sutton · Post by **Sutton** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:59 am

Kubica missed the next race, USA. Was replaced by Vettel.
I'm confused why the word 'strange' is used again with regards to this Alonso crash yet it's unchallenged by Alonso and mclaren.

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:04 am

Sutton wrote:Kubica missed the next race, USA. Was replaced by Vettel.

True had forgotten, but he still took part in a race just 3 weeks after the accident.

mds · Post by **mds** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:13 am

A2jdl wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:Flavio gives his tuppence worth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31806850

There's that 'strange' word again. It won't go away, even from those who are close to him. And he's not exactly complimentary about Mclaren either.
Thanks for that as it confirms it was a normal accident but he hit the wall hard and he doesn't have any health problem to cause it and he said the mclaren was good.

He doesn't "confirm it was a normal accident", he states the accident was strange!

"He crashes without any reason," he added.
"We have to see if there was a steering problem."

Basically this means that he isn't really believing McLaren's explanation.

Azi · Post by **Azi** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:29 am

mds wrote:
A2jdl wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:Flavio gives his tuppence worth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31806850

There's that 'strange' word again. It won't go away, even from those who are close to him. And he's not exactly complimentary about Mclaren either.
Thanks for that as it confirms it was a normal accident but he hit the wall hard and he doesn't have any health problem to cause it and he said the mclaren was good.
He doesn't "confirm it was a normal accident", he states the accident was strange!

"He crashes without any reason," he added.
"We have to see if there was a steering problem."
Basically this means that he isn't really believing McLaren's explanation.

I'm pretty he just meant Flavio is so untrustworthy if he said it was sunny you'd get out an umbrella.

Option or Prime · Post by **Option or Prime** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:36 am

Covalent wrote:
Sutton wrote:Kubica missed the next race, USA. Was replaced by Vettel.
True had forgotten, but he still took part in a race just 3 weeks after the accident.

I think the view of "sport" in relation to concussion was not so rigorous or focussed then.

Beschy · Post by **Beschy** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:11 am

Why is Bernie sending Briatore footage of the crash when nobody else seems to have seen it?

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:29 am

Beschy wrote:Why is Bernie sending Briatore footage of the crash when nobody else seems to have seen it?

Isn't Briatore Alonso's manager?

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:51 am

Covalent wrote:
Beschy wrote:Why is Bernie sending Briatore footage of the crash when nobody else seems to have seen it?
Isn't Briatore Alonso's manager?

Then what does Luis Garcia Abad do?

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:06 am

mcdo wrote:
Covalent wrote:
Beschy wrote:Why is Bernie sending Briatore footage of the crash when nobody else seems to have seen it?
Isn't Briatore Alonso's manager?
Then what does Luis Garcia Abad do?

No idea but the article we are discussing starts with "Fernando Alonso's manager Flavio Briatore says ".

RaggedMan · Post by **RaggedMan** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:22 pm

Azi wrote:
mds wrote:
A2jdl wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:Flavio gives his tuppence worth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31806850

There's that 'strange' word again. It won't go away, even from those who are close to him. And he's not exactly complimentary about Mclaren either.
Thanks for that as it confirms it was a normal accident but he hit the wall hard and he doesn't have any health problem to cause it and he said the mclaren was good.
He doesn't "confirm it was a normal accident", he states the accident was strange!

"He crashes without any reason," he added.
"We have to see if there was a steering problem."
Basically this means that he isn't really believing McLaren's explanation.
I'm pretty he just meant Flavio is so untrustworthy if he said it was sunny you'd get out an umbrella.

And humble too.

owenmahamilton · Post by **owenmahamilton** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:28 pm

just read on another site that Alonso has said that he is working as hard as possible to be fit for Malaysia, I read that as meaning that he may well miss that race as well.

Azi · Post by **Azi** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:51 pm

*snort* oh typos!

That should have been 'pretty sure' obviously.

minchy · Post by **minchy** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:54 pm

owenmahamilton wrote:just read on another site that Alonso has said that he is working as hard as possible to be fit for Malaysia, I read that as meaning that he may well miss that race as well.

Does that mean that he's out of observation and working on physical and mental agility (I.e. back to usual training regime), or that the doctors are observing him still and they're hoping he gets the all clear soon?

A2jdl · Post by **A2jdl** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:58 pm

minchy wrote:
owenmahamilton wrote:just read on another site that Alonso has said that he is working as hard as possible to be fit for Malaysia, I read that as meaning that he may well miss that race as well.
Does that mean that he's out of observation and working on physical and mental agility (I.e. back to usual training regime), or that the doctors are observing him still and they're hoping he gets the all clear soon?

back in to training
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24184 ... alaysia-gp

minchy · Post by **minchy** » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:35 pm

A2jdl wrote:
minchy wrote:
owenmahamilton wrote:just read on another site that Alonso has said that he is working as hard as possible to be fit for Malaysia, I read that as meaning that he may well miss that race as well.
Does that mean that he's out of observation and working on physical and mental agility (I.e. back to usual training regime), or that the doctors are observing him still and they're hoping he gets the all clear soon?
back in to training
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24184 ... alaysia-gp

Well that's good news at least.

Covalent · Post by **Covalent** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:28 am

Ron Dennis admits he wasn't honest when reporting about Fernando's injuries:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/m ... sion-crash

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:57 am

Covalent wrote:Ron Dennis admits he wasn't honest when reporting about Fernando's injuries:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/m ... sion-crash

This is one of 100 reasons why I don't like Dennis.

mds · Post by **mds** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:59 am

“It was not the best performance by me. I understand why the press beat me up for being inaccurate. I wanted to be open and honest. I failed. But it is my objective to try to be as honest as possible in future.”

PzR Slim · Post by **PzR Slim** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:14 am

Covalent wrote:Ron Dennis admits he wasn't honest when reporting about Fernando's injuries:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/m ... sion-crash

Well what do you know!

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:40 am

Covalent wrote:Ron Dennis admits he wasn't honest when reporting about Fernando's injuries:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/m ... sion-crash

Classic

nixxxon · Post by **nixxxon** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:51 am

Briatore and Dennis... two great honest men...

If I had to choose one of them to trust, I'd pick Briatore.

JMILAT · Post by **JMILAT** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:04 am

After reading Benson's stuff I was sure it was a normal accident. But then both Bernie and Flavio spoke questioning it.

Bernie knows pretty much everything in F1. And Flavio is a close friend of Alonso and is I believe the head of Alonso's management. There is obviously footage of the accident (Flavio said he seen it) and both have said its strange what happened. They wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't true.

Flavio definetly seems a little suspicious of McLaren.

hittheapex · Post by **hittheapex** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:09 am

mds wrote:
“It was not the best performance by me. I understand why the press beat me up for being inaccurate. I wanted to be open and honest. I failed. But it is my objective to try to be as honest as possible in future.”

Maybe Ron should get one of those PR minders to follow him around like they do with the drivers.

Battle Far · Post by **Battle Far** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:16 am

nixxxon wrote:Briatore and Dennis... two great honest men...

If I had to choose one of them to trust, I'd pick Briatore.

Simply astonishing!!!

A man with an undischarged conviction for fraud in Italy, who as team principle for Renault and driver manager, sat on both sides of the negotiating table on driver contracts, only employing those from whom he took a cut via his driver management arm.

Who sacked a driver because he chose to change driver management and whose activities, arguably criminal, certainly deliberate rule breaking, included fuel system safety infringements, traction control, movable aerodynamic devices and most infamously, race fixing as well as destroying the career of an up an coming driver...

For mine, I don't think I'd trust your judgement to cross a road

LKS1 · Post by **LKS1** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:22 am

Battle Far wrote:
nixxxon wrote:Briatore and Dennis... two great honest men...

If I had to choose one of them to trust, I'd pick Briatore.
Simply astonishing!!!

A man with an undischarged conviction for fraud in Italy, who as team principle for Renault and driver manager, sat on both sides of the negotiating table on driver contracts, only employing those from whom he took a cut via his driver management arm.

Who sacked a driver because he chose to change driver management and whose activities, arguably criminal, certainly deliberate rule breaking, included fuel system safety infringements, traction control, movable aerodynamic devices and most infamously, race fixing as well as destroying the career of an up an coming driver...

For mine, I don't think I'd trust your judgement to cross a road

I agree re. Flavio - after Singapore '08 he should never be allowed near F1 again. Even so, Ron isn't exactly trustworthy either..., but I do love Ronspeak

.

Blake · Post by **Blake** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:58 pm

LKS1 wrote:
Battle Far wrote:
nixxxon wrote:Briatore and Dennis... two great honest men...

If I had to choose one of them to trust, I'd pick Briatore.
Simply astonishing!!!

A man with an undischarged conviction for fraud in Italy, who as team principle for Renault and driver manager, sat on both sides of the negotiating table on driver contracts, only employing those from whom he took a cut via his driver management arm.

Who sacked a driver because he chose to change driver management and whose activities, arguably criminal, certainly deliberate rule breaking, included fuel system safety infringements, traction control, movable aerodynamic devices and most infamously, race fixing as well as destroying the career of an up an coming driver...

For mine, I don't think I'd trust your judgement to cross a road
I agree re. Flavio - after Singapore '08 he should never be allowed near F1 again. Even so, Ron isn't exactly trustworthy either..., but I do love Ronspeak .

I have to agree with LKS1.... except I can do without Ron speak. Neither of them are trustworthy... funny thing is, most never really trusted Briatore, but prior to McLarengate(s), Ron was thought to be the "gentleman" racer, the representative of honor... funny (actually sad) how that perception has changed. Still, I do give Ron Dennis credit for some of his charitable actions outside F1.

InBetween · Post by **InBetween** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:26 pm

Battle Far wrote:
nixxxon wrote:Briatore and Dennis... two great honest men...

If I had to choose one of them to trust, I'd pick Briatore.
Simply astonishing!!!

A man with an undischarged conviction for fraud in Italy, who as team principle for Renault and driver manager, sat on both sides of the negotiating table on driver contracts, only employing those from whom he took a cut via his driver management arm.

Who sacked a driver because he chose to change driver management and whose activities, arguably criminal, certainly deliberate rule breaking, included fuel system safety infringements, traction control, movable aerodynamic devices and most infamously, race fixing as well as destroying the career of an up an coming driver...

For mine, I don't think I'd trust your judgement to cross a road

Well, at least with Flavio, what you see is what you get, anyone who ever thought his work ethics were unquestionable was seriously deluded...and I'm not refferring to his latter years in F1, I've always had the same opinion of him since I started following F1 (early 90s).

When I look at RD, I'm not sure what I'm seeing and what I'm getting and my opinion changes everytime the man speaks...

Paolo_Lasardi · Post by **Paolo_Lasardi** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:33 pm

Blake wrote:
LKS1 wrote:
Battle Far wrote:
nixxxon wrote:Briatore and Dennis... two great honest men...

If I had to choose one of them to trust, I'd pick Briatore.
Simply astonishing!!!

A man with an undischarged conviction for fraud in Italy, who as team principle for Renault and driver manager, sat on both sides of the negotiating table on driver contracts, only employing those from whom he took a cut via his driver management arm.

Who sacked a driver because he chose to change driver management and whose activities, arguably criminal, certainly deliberate rule breaking, included fuel system safety infringements, traction control, movable aerodynamic devices and most infamously, race fixing as well as destroying the career of an up an coming driver...

For mine, I don't think I'd trust your judgement to cross a road
I agree re. Flavio - after Singapore '08 he should never be allowed near F1 again. Even so, Ron isn't exactly trustworthy either..., but I do love Ronspeak .
I have to agree with LKS1.... except I can do without Ron speak. Neither of them are trustworthy... funny thing is, most never really trusted Briatore, but prior to McLarengate(s), Ron was thought to be the "gentleman" racer, the representative of honor... funny (actually sad) how that perception has changed. Still, I do give Ron Dennis credit for some of his charitable actions outside F1.

And both men are just like angels when compared to Ecclestone ...

Black_Flag_11 · Post by **Black_Flag_11** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:53 pm

Covalent wrote:Ron Dennis admits he wasn't honest when reporting about Fernando's injuries:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/m ... sion-crash

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCqVyROqno

Toby. · Post by **Toby.** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:44 am

The Eternal President of North America's F1 Conspiracy Theory Society is back at it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhGEV5D5l6k

egnat69 · Post by **egnat69** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:03 am

Black_Flag_11 wrote:
Covalent wrote:Ron Dennis admits he wasn't honest when reporting about Fernando's injuries:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/m ... sion-crash
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCqVyROqno

RaggedMan · Post by **RaggedMan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:11 pm

Toby. wrote:The Eternal President of North America's F1 Conspiracy Theory Society is back at it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhGEV5D5l6k

What. A. Loon.

Post by **P-F1 Mod** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:07 pm

RaggedMan wrote:
Toby. wrote:The Eternal President of North America's F1 Conspiracy Theory Society is back at it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhGEV5D5l6k
What. A. Loon.

Well at least he knows who he is.

...Oh.

Millemagico · Post by **Millemagico** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:23 pm

As you noticed Flavio didnt rule out electric shock. Changing shift or braking during accident wont rule out that also. Muscles do funny things when you give some electric to them.
Also many people who have received shocks from stun gun, cant figure out what happened to them, if the shock was given from behind.

It seems that Mr. Dennis is pathetic liar and his credibility has reached "Putin level".