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Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.
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Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.
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AstoriaisBACK wrote:Your opinion was not based on testing? Right so you just make an opinion during the 3 rd day of testing on a topic that is called Jerez Testing and we expect to be;dive your "opinion" is not based upon testing......hmmm


First of all, that was not my opinion we're talking about. Second, nixxxon is of the opinion that Mercedes will still be the best. Given last year and given all the news we've heard over the winter, that doesn't seem like a bold or rash opinion. Of course he isn't basing that on testing because testing times show Ferrari far ahead. Third, my whole point was that he wasn't contradicting himself as opposed to what fieldstvl said.

Exactly, thanks mds.

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Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.

Well, it appears to be 12 seconds behind the next car. I know its testing but 30 odd laps and the closest it could get was 12 seconds behind the next slowest? :-((
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Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

Maybe some people were expecting too much of the 2015 season, Honda are playing catch up. It's good to see the car got some meaningful laps in today, hopefully they can quickly build on that.
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Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

How so? They have gone from 6 laps to 32, and apparently they already understand the issue which meant they couldn't do more, it's just a long process to sort it.

I'd say after just 2 days to be making such progress on the reliability side is encouraging.

Especially when they have supposedly gone into this with a "performance first, reliability second" mentality.

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Seanie wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.

Well, it appears to be 12 seconds behind the next car. I know its testing but 30 odd laps and the closest it could get was 12 seconds behind the next slowest? :-((

They haven't got anywhere near full power yet. Neither Button or Alonso have been able to give it full bananas round a lap.
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Seanie wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.

Well, it appears to be 12 seconds behind the next car. I know its testing but 30 odd laps and the closest it could get was 12 seconds behind the next slowest? :-((

The track got quicker and i believe Alonso had just left the pits on his first set of slicks when the engine failed, his timed laps were on inters.
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Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.

Well, it appears to be 12 seconds behind the next car. I know its testing but 30 odd laps and the closest it could get was 12 seconds behind the next slowest? :-((

They haven't got anywhere near full power yet. Neither Button or Alonso have been able to give it full bananas round a lap.

and I think they set that time when the track conditions was still damp.

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Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.

Well, it appears to be 12 seconds behind the next car. I know its testing but 30 odd laps and the closest it could get was 12 seconds behind the next slowest? :-((

They haven't got anywhere near full power yet. Neither Button or Alonso have been able to give it full bananas round a lap.

I'm not so sure about that Alonso was only 4 KPH slower than Rosberg in the speed trap
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pokerman wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:Perhaps retirement wasn't such a bad option Jenson?

Hoping McLaren can pull themselves together by Melbourne, but its looking awful for them right now.

The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.

Well, it appears to be 12 seconds behind the next car. I know its testing but 30 odd laps and the closest it could get was 12 seconds behind the next slowest? :-((

They haven't got anywhere near full power yet. Neither Button or Alonso have been able to give it full bananas round a lap.

I'm not so sure about that Alonso was only 4 KPH slower than Rosberg in the speed trap

That was down one straight. Neither driver has been able to string together a 100% complete lap yet.
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Laura23 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Seanie wrote:
Laura23 wrote:The engine doesn't look great I'll admit but word is the car itself is a belter. An issue they were concerned with regarding the engine was said to have been resolved today as well so progress is being made.

Well, it appears to be 12 seconds behind the next car. I know its testing but 30 odd laps and the closest it could get was 12 seconds behind the next slowest? :-((

They haven't got anywhere near full power yet. Neither Button or Alonso have been able to give it full bananas round a lap.

I'm not so sure about that Alonso was only 4 KPH slower than Rosberg in the speed trap

That was down one straight. Neither driver has been able to string together a 100% complete lap yet.

....but if that's with them having nowhere near full power?
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McLaren didn't set a time on slicks

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I think some people need a reality check.

Mclaren and Honda were never going to show any competitiveness at this test and probably not the next on either. In fact playing catch up means they may not be competitive all season

Promising sign for ferrari but the amount of pressure within ferrari is immense and they must be seen to be improving. Saying that you can only look at what you see and it looks good so far. I would assume they started on this year's car at the start of last season.

No one really knows the true speed of that merc yet. History tells us that they don't usually produce good chassis so maybe it's easier for other cars to catch up. Saying that I wouldn't expect you've seen proper capabilities considering they have been comfortably looking for long runs. Plus I dont think we saw the true capability last year except maybe bahrain.

Plus they don't need to go show there true hand until they need it

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pokerman wrote:....but if that's with them having nowhere near full power?

Nowhere near full power for a full lap.
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Nonsense conclusions everywhere...

So far we have:

1) Ferrari are up there with Merc
2) McLaren-Honda sucks

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nixxxon wrote:Nonsense conclusions everywhere...

So far we have:

1) Ferrari are up there with Merc
2) McLaren-Honda sucks

:lol:

Thus far McLaren Honda have sucked tbh.
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Its a new engine and they have to do the procedures and get knowledge of everything to make it work.
Red Bull were as bad if not worse in winter testing last year and they ended up being the 2nd fastest, with a sub-par engine.
Imagine if Honda get it right and the engine turns out to be Merc's biggest challenger.
Honda are small engine specialists.

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nixxxon wrote:Its a new engine and they have to do the procedures and get knowledge of everything to make it work.
Red Bull were as bad if not worse in winter testing last year and they ended up being the 2nd fastest, with a sub-par engine.
Imagine if Honda get it right and the engine turns out to be Merc's biggest challenger.
Honda are small engine specialists.

Imagine all you want but Red Bull struggled last year as much as they succeeded. Vettel's car kept breaking down every other race in the first half of the season.
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According to Boullier, It hasnt been so bad for them so far:

“Jenson’s final lap last night made us all feel happier, because we felt we’d cured the issues that had affected us on Sunday and Monday,” said McLaren Racing Director Eric Boullier. “This morning, it was a relief to see the car get out of the garage at 9am, and run without problems for several hours.

“Fernando’s comments were very positive, too: he said the car was reacting well to changes, and felt stable,” he added. “Operationally, we’ve already covered everything in our programme, but what’s even more positive is that we’ve been able to carry out a number of longer runs. They’ve shown us that the car doesn’t have any conceptual or architectural issues.”

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What are odds for vettel wdc at the moment.

It is very early and I expect not but maybe merc have been left looking complacent, concentrating on reliability over performance

Or maybe it's all smokes and mirrors

Edit: 20/1 I think that's a cracking bet
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Loving that McLaren Honda, and the Honda PU in particular, have been written off already! :lol:

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I hope the all the teams are closer in terms of performance. Regardless of who you support, if there is more than one team in contention for the title, it makes for better entertainment which is what we all want.

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ZeroG wrote:I hope the all the teams are closer in terms of performance. Regardless of who you support, if there is more than one team in contention for the title, it makes for better entertainment which is what we all want.

Completely agree. I hope Mercedes have some challenger, better two than one.

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I don't think we should read much, if anything, into Ferrari's performance. Being the first test, the only thing that matters is reliability and mileage. Most of us know that Jerez is not a favorite test circuit of the teams, not to mention it's been fairly chilly over the first few days, thus the conditions the cars have been exposed to aren't really representative of what we'll be looking at come Oz.

We have no idea if the Ferrari PU has shed the necessary weight, no idea if it's made up the HP deficit. It's reasonable to speculate it's improved, but again, no one knows how much Merc has improved their PU. Speaking of Merc, it seems wise for them to have utilized a filming day ahead of the test to iron out the kinks before the track time becomes meaningful - why didn't McLaren opt for something like this? Seems most of the time they wasted just getting the car out of the garage the first 2 days could have been done in a meaningless filming day where the only limitation are the miles and tyres - 2 things that are meaningless if the car isn't moving. Of course, it's easy for me to say right now.

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w1Y! wrote:What are odds for vettel wdc at the moment.

It is very early and I expect not but maybe merc have been left looking complacent, concentrating on reliability over performance

Or maybe it's all smokes and mirrors

Edit: 20/1 I think that's a cracking bet

18/1 on sky bet.

So is Ricciardo, and if I were a betting man I'd probably go for him, though I doubt it will be anything but another Merc walkover.

(Unfortunately for my bank account, I am indeed a betting man)

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Black_Flag_11 wrote:
w1Y! wrote:What are odds for vettel wdc at the moment.

It is very early and I expect not but maybe merc have been left looking complacent, concentrating on reliability over performance

Or maybe it's all smokes and mirrors

Edit: 20/1 I think that's a cracking bet

18/1 on sky bet.

So is Ricciardo, and if I were a betting man I'd probably go for him, though I doubt it will be anything but another Merc walkover.

(Unfortunately for my bank account, I am indeed a betting man)

If I had to put money on who will finish higher up in the WDC standings between Vettel and Ricciardo, my money would be on Vettel. Ferrari seem to have their stuff together at long last. Could be an illusion but my gut tells me it's not. I think they will be the closest to Merc and I think Red Bull will continue to lose ground.

The Renault engine is an unmitigated disaster and I doubt that they have made the kind of strides that Ferrari have made with their own PU. This is no longer an era where aero improvements are the end-all-be-all and even if it was, Mr. Newey has left the building. I think Dan clearly asserted his dominance over Vettel last year but I expect Ferrari to leave Red Bull behind now that the 2009-2013 technical era is over. Vettel may be joining the right team at the right time for the second time in his career!

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Laura23 wrote:Adam Cooper suggested the Mercedes may be 'over engineered'. A bit like McLaren in late 2012 they've got very little room left for development on the current cycle. He could easily be wrong though and we'll know by mid season.

Odd thing to say given no one is really running their official front or rear wings. All we know is they're probably going to be reliable. PEACE.

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Laura23 wrote:Adam Cooper suggested the Mercedes may be 'over engineered'. A bit like McLaren in late 2012 they've got very little room left for development on the current cycle. He could easily be wrong though and we'll know by mid season.

Odd thing to say given no one is really running their official front or rear wings. All we know is they're probably going to be reliable. PEACE.

His words not mine and I didn't actually agree with him tbh. By the end of 2015 the Mercedes might be maxxed out in development terms and 2016 might have to be a new book rather than a new chapter.
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Q1: Is there any way to watch a live video broadcast of F1 testing?

Q2: Why aren't test sessions broadcasted?
I'm guessing because;
a) Protect interest in race events (which I would still be interested in)
b) Protect sponsors from seeing their names on cars doing slow runs, breaking down, etc.
I've seen test footage, but it's not live. I'm all about that live action.

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Q1: no, you can only go to the track yourself to see it live.

Q2: because they are not interested in it.

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Aldo Costa on Sky Italia - The W06 is an evolution of the W05, but still large parts of the layout have changed. We've been running the car with a full tank at all times so that no one can infer how fast we can run. We won't run with with light fuel or try to set up the car for performance until Barcelona, possibly the second test.


8O 8O 8O

If he's telling the truth then it really is game over for the season as far as I'm concerned. The Merc's could be a couple of seconds quicker than the field in Oz...
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Laura23 wrote:
Aldo Costa on Sky Italia - The W06 is an evolution of the W05, but still large parts of the layout have changed. We've been running the car with a full tank at all times so that no one can infer how fast we can run. We won't run with with light fuel or try to set up the car for performance until Barcelona, possibly the second test.


8O 8O 8O

If he's telling the truth then it really is game over for the season as far as I'm concerned. The Merc's could be a couple of seconds quicker than the field in Oz...


I am sure the fuel loads are not totally heavy as they did long runs so it doesn't make sense to what he is saying. Ferrari also have said that the fuel loads they have been running is mostly heavy and no quail laps or low fuel laps at all, they also said it would be the last test when they open up and see what it really can do.
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Laura23 wrote:
Aldo Costa on Sky Italia - The W06 is an evolution of the W05, but still large parts of the layout have changed. We've been running the car with a full tank at all times so that no one can infer how fast we can run. We won't run with with light fuel or try to set up the car for performance until Barcelona, possibly the second test.


8O 8O 8O

If he's telling the truth then it really is game over for the season as far as I'm concerned. The Merc's could be a couple of seconds quicker than the field in Oz...


Yup saw that. They haven't even touched the soft tires yet as well.

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Laura23 wrote:
Aldo Costa on Sky Italia - The W06 is an evolution of the W05, but still large parts of the layout have changed. We've been running the car with a full tank at all times so that no one can infer how fast we can run. We won't run with with light fuel or try to set up the car for performance until Barcelona, possibly the second test.


8O 8O 8O

If he's telling the truth then it really is game over for the season as far as I'm concerned. The Merc's could be a couple of seconds quicker than the field in Oz...


Yup saw that. They haven't even touched the soft tires yet as well.

I think we may as well roll the credits on this one, we've seen how this movie ends.


Everyone knew how titanic ended (spoiler alert: the boat sinks) and until recently it was the most successful movie ever produced. I'll give this year it's fair chance
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AstoriaisBACK wrote:
Laura23 wrote:
Aldo Costa on Sky Italia - The W06 is an evolution of the W05, but still large parts of the layout have changed. We've been running the car with a full tank at all times so that no one can infer how fast we can run. We won't run with with light fuel or try to set up the car for performance until Barcelona, possibly the second test.


8O 8O 8O

If he's telling the truth then it really is game over for the season as far as I'm concerned. The Merc's could be a couple of seconds quicker than the field in Oz...


I am sure the fuel loads are not totally heavy as they did long runs so it doesn't make sense to what he is saying. Ferrari also have said that the fuel loads they have been running is mostly heavy and no quail laps or low fuel laps at all, they also said it would be the last test when they open up and see what it really can do.


All those interviews are mind games and smoke screens. Not just by Merc, but all teams. They want to hide the developments and their potential. RedBull have gone one extra level and made a camouflage. None of the teams are displaying their full capacity. Most are concentrating on reliability. So it is really difficult to compare teams at this stage of the season.
Either ways, some things can be inferred quite clearly.

1. McLaren is way behind (which was expected) currently. They have definitely not stress tested their engines yet. Lot more failures coming up when that is done.
2. Ferrari is reliable and definitely better than last year. Kimi also said this in his review of Day 3 and if he says something he means it. But this does not mean that they will challenge Merc straight away. At the same time, you cannot say that they will not challenge Merc. Remember, they started working on the 2015 car much earlier than they normally would start on a next year's car. Brawn was able to do magic for 2009 with this approach. Lotus surprised a bit in 2012 with a similar approach. Ferrari guys are definitely capable of doing this.
3. Force India is also way way behind. And they seem set to go further back.
4. Lotus may also be lagging long to extreme long run testing.
5. Williams looks set to be the strong one in several races, like they did in 2014.
6. No idea about Torro Rosso and Sauber.

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beastlymaiden wrote:2. Ferrari is reliable and definitely better than last year. Kimi also said this in his review of Day 3 and if he says something he means it. But this does not mean that they will challenge Merc straight away. At the same time, you cannot say that they will not challenge Merc. Remember, they started working on the 2015 car much earlier than they normally would start on a next year's car.


And where do you get that information from? Because a few weeks ago, this is what Marchionne openly said:
We're starting the season a bit late because the design of the new car was started late," Marchionne said at the Automotive News World Congress in Detroit
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