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http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/96178 ... icult-2015

Talking a bit of sense here. He's not promising championships every year like Montezemolo did. Also, keeping expectations low will help in case the team is actually good - much like when panic ensued in the 2012 preseason. And everybody here should know that the year was far from a disaster - Alonso was 3 points away from a title!!

I'm starting to like the new direction taken by Marchionne, he's more down to earth than most of the Ferrari figures of the past. He also said that in-season testing would be "detrimental to the already stretched budgets of more than one team." Quite a difference to the "we need testing now or else" stance taken by Montezemolo.

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I'm read it a bit differently. He is saying that he had little control over preparations for next season. Yes, he seem to be down to earth, but I don't care what he says. Real test will come in few seasons when we will seethe results of all recent changes.
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Yep, that was one big mistake of Di Montezemolo. Talking too much, promising too much.

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He's just managing expectations.

As well as firing a parting shot at LdM and others in the process.
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Well i ventured last season that LDM was part of the Ferrari problem but got shot down by one or two ardent Ferrari supporters
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It was mainly SD who promised too much.

Marchionne has already set the unrealistic target of winning races in 2015. I think they will struggle to get podiums.

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davidheath461 wrote:It was mainly SD who promised too much.

Marchionne has already set the unrealistic target of winning races in 2015. I think they will struggle to get podiums.
Yeah it's sort of hard to equate a tough year with winning races as such :?
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I think Ferrari would be wise to gear up for 2016. It's likely that there will be a regulations revision for that year, which will provide an opportunity for the team to develop a winning car.

I look at what Honda did going into 2009 and what Mercedes did going into 2014 as prime examples of how a well funded team can focus on the future and become successful. Ferrari and McLaren, unfortunately, seem unable to sacrifice a bit of the hear and now in order to solidify their future. This has led to them chasing their tails for several years now while other teams snap up all of the titles.

I don't expect miracles from Ferrari in 2015 and it's nice to know that their leadership seems to be on the same page. If they can really pour all of their efforts into 2016 from the moment that the regulations are outlined, they have a chance of vaulting back to the front that year.

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sandman1347 wrote:I think Ferrari would be wise to gear up for 2016. It's likely that there will be a regulations revision for that year, which will provide an opportunity for the team to develop a winning car.

I look at what Honda did going into 2009 and what Mercedes did going into 2014 as prime examples of how a well funded team can focus on the future and become successful. Ferrari and McLaren, unfortunately, seem unable to sacrifice a bit of the hear and now in order to solidify their future. This has led to them chasing their tails for several years now while other teams snap up all of the titles.

I don't expect miracles from Ferrari in 2015 and it's nice to know that their leadership seems to be on the same page. If they can really pour all of their efforts into 2016 from the moment that the regulations are outlined, they have a chance of vaulting back to the front that year.
I don't understand these regulation changes for 2016 that will all of a sudden enable Ferrari to have a winning car?
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pokerman wrote:
davidheath461 wrote:It was mainly SD who promised too much.

Marchionne has already set the unrealistic target of winning races in 2015. I think they will struggle to get podiums.
Yeah it's sort of hard to equate a tough year with winning races as such :?
It contradicts the argument that he is "managing expectations" for 2015.

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I higly doubt Ferrari will get good results even in 2016... because of so many personnel changes and replacements within the team. They will all need time to settle and do the job... and that's supposing they're capable to do the best job of them all.

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nixxxon wrote:I higly doubt Ferrari will get good results even in 2016... because of so many personnel changes and replacements within the team. They will all need time to settle and do the job... and that's supposing they're capable to do the best job of them all.
If Ferrari can't get the PU restrictions lifted, then I don't see any good times until the next generation of regulations.

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nixxxon wrote:I higly doubt Ferrari will get good results even in 2016... because of so many personnel changes and replacements within the team. They will all need time to settle and do the job... and that's supposing they're capable to do the best job of them all.
But they have Vettel now, who brings team spirit and is so good at desining cars so surely they will be winning. :D

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pokerman wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:I think Ferrari would be wise to gear up for 2016. It's likely that there will be a regulations revision for that year, which will provide an opportunity for the team to develop a winning car.

I look at what Honda did going into 2009 and what Mercedes did going into 2014 as prime examples of how a well funded team can focus on the future and become successful. Ferrari and McLaren, unfortunately, seem unable to sacrifice a bit of the hear and now in order to solidify their future. This has led to them chasing their tails for several years now while other teams snap up all of the titles.

I don't expect miracles from Ferrari in 2015 and it's nice to know that their leadership seems to be on the same page. If they can really pour all of their efforts into 2016 from the moment that the regulations are outlined, they have a chance of vaulting back to the front that year.
I don't understand these regulation changes for 2016 that will all of a sudden enable Ferrari to have a winning car?
It's not that the regulations themselves will enable them to do it, it's that changing regulations means more work for the teams. By focusing on 2016 while others are focusing on 2015, they will spend more time and resources on optimizing the car for these new regs and that can lead to them gaining ground in a way that wouldn't be possible with stable regs.

Chances are the changes for 2016 won't be as substantial as what we saw in 2009 and 2014 but whenever there's a major regulations overhaul, there is an opportunity for the pecking order to shift. 2009 saw the end of the Ferrari/McLaren reign, 2014 saw the end of Red Bull's run, etc.

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sandman1347 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:I think Ferrari would be wise to gear up for 2016. It's likely that there will be a regulations revision for that year, which will provide an opportunity for the team to develop a winning car.

I look at what Honda did going into 2009 and what Mercedes did going into 2014 as prime examples of how a well funded team can focus on the future and become successful. Ferrari and McLaren, unfortunately, seem unable to sacrifice a bit of the hear and now in order to solidify their future. This has led to them chasing their tails for several years now while other teams snap up all of the titles.

I don't expect miracles from Ferrari in 2015 and it's nice to know that their leadership seems to be on the same page. If they can really pour all of their efforts into 2016 from the moment that the regulations are outlined, they have a chance of vaulting back to the front that year.
I don't understand these regulation changes for 2016 that will all of a sudden enable Ferrari to have a winning car?
It's not that the regulations themselves will enable them to do it, it's that changing regulations means more work for the teams. By focusing on 2016 while others are focusing on 2015, they will spend more time and resources on optimizing the car for these new regs and that can lead to them gaining ground in a way that wouldn't be possible with stable regs.

Chances are the changes for 2016 won't be as substantial as what we saw in 2009 and 2014 but whenever there's a major regulations overhaul, there is an opportunity for the pecking order to shift. 2009 saw the end of the Ferrari/McLaren reign, 2014 saw the end of Red Bull's run, etc.
Ferrari stopped developing the 2013 car midway through the year and look how great the 2014 car turned out. Their problem is the PU. Every year they fail to get it to the level of Mercedes the smaller the opportunity to change it becomes. That's one of the reasons Renault and Ferrari wanted to homologation date pushed back, they know that they have to use all their available tokens at every opportunity in order to make up the PU deficit. It's very much an engine formula rather than an aero formula right now. Ferrari have to make up the deficit in PU performance if they want any hope of success under these regulations.
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pokerman wrote:Well i ventured last season that LDM was part of the Ferrari problem but got shot down by one or two ardent Ferrari supporters
Actually, I recall many less generous claims...more like many seemed to leave out the word PART in their condemnation of Luca. As one of those "ardent Ferrari supporters" I will reaffirm my belief that Luca made some mistakes, but was but a part of the problem... something I still worry will become painfully evident in time for Ferrari and their fans. Like it or not, Luca diMontezemolo knows F1... only time will tell if the new management does.
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sandman1347 wrote:
pokerman wrote:
sandman1347 wrote:I think Ferrari would be wise to gear up for 2016. It's likely that there will be a regulations revision for that year, which will provide an opportunity for the team to develop a winning car.

I look at what Honda did going into 2009 and what Mercedes did going into 2014 as prime examples of how a well funded team can focus on the future and become successful. Ferrari and McLaren, unfortunately, seem unable to sacrifice a bit of the hear and now in order to solidify their future. This has led to them chasing their tails for several years now while other teams snap up all of the titles.

I don't expect miracles from Ferrari in 2015 and it's nice to know that their leadership seems to be on the same page. If they can really pour all of their efforts into 2016 from the moment that the regulations are outlined, they have a chance of vaulting back to the front that year.
I don't understand these regulation changes for 2016 that will all of a sudden enable Ferrari to have a winning car?
It's not that the regulations themselves will enable them to do it, it's that changing regulations means more work for the teams. By focusing on 2016 while others are focusing on 2015, they will spend more time and resources on optimizing the car for these new regs and that can lead to them gaining ground in a way that wouldn't be possible with stable regs.

Chances are the changes for 2016 won't be as substantial as what we saw in 2009 and 2014 but whenever there's a major regulations overhaul, there is an opportunity for the pecking order to shift. 2009 saw the end of the Ferrari/McLaren reign, 2014 saw the end of Red Bull's run, etc.
There is a possible change to the engine regs in 2016 but the engine themselves will be basically the same, I don't believe there are any big changes to the cars themselves?
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Blake wrote:
pokerman wrote:Well i ventured last season that LDM was part of the Ferrari problem but got shot down by one or two ardent Ferrari supporters
Actually, I recall many less generous claims...more like many seemed to leave out the word PART in their condemnation of Luca. As one of those "ardent Ferrari supporters" I will reaffirm my belief that Luca made some mistakes, but was but a part of the problem... something I still worry will become painfully evident in time for Ferrari and their fans. Like it or not, Luca diMontezemolo knows F1... only time will tell if the new management does.
Yes indeed but it was him making many of the key decisions and I believe that he was a big part in the failings of Ferrari, the all Italian dream he started to put into place definitely set them back for starters.
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Fernando had lost hope , and I wonder how vettel will deal with it - he must be looking at this as a long term thing , and maybe in no hurry because of his age

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slide wrote:Fernando had lost hope , and I wonder how vettel will deal with it - he must be looking at this as a long term thing , and maybe in no hurry because of his age
And the fact he's already got 4 titles in the bag. In his mind this is probably the last goal he has set himself in F1 now - to make Ferrari great again. If he fails, he's still a 4-time WDC. It's a win-win.
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