Unfortunately this is innacurate. The gaps between Hamilton and Button were larger in qualifying than the gaps between Alonso and Button. Hamilton also beat Button 2 years to 1 wheres Alonso won one year and lost another in the points. I think both matchups flatter Button when looking only at points because factors outside of the drivers' control had a huge impact (especially in years like 2012 and 2015). There's also the fact that Hamilton faced Button as a young driver while Jenson was in his prime wheres Alonso faced Button while in his peak with Jenson arguably past his prime.Schumacher forever#1 wrote:I don't think many will disagree with you in that, when you account for luck in that season, Hamilton would have won that championship season. I think the problem more comes with how great people view Rosberg to be, and how much Hamilton struggled with outright beating him in the years they were together. Considering the fact that a 42 year old Schumacher I believe outraced Rosberg 7-3 in 2012, for Hamilton to be considered in the same bracket as someone like Michael, maybe he shouldn't have struggled so much in beating Rosberg in their time as teammates. For me, Rosberg was never a tier one driver and would have been beaten by Alonso, Vettel and probably Ricciardo in a similar fashion as Hamilton. Someone's perception of Hamilton's greatness in his dominating period in Formula One should mainly come down to how he performed against his teammates, and how good we believe his teammates are.Alienturnedhuman wrote: Whether or not Hamilton sits near the top of the contenders for the GOAT is one that will go on long after he retires and can never truly be answered because all F1 drivers compete in different conditions and against different competitors.
However the notion that losing 2016 to Rosberg should automatically exclude him is a ridiculous idea and seems to just be designed to have a go to metric to say he's ineligible. It's almost as if people have forgotten what happened in that season.
Hamilton's most dominant title was in 2015 when he wrapped it up early. Yet in 2016, Hamilton received an even higher score in the team principal rankings, with Rosberg only third.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/12732 ... est-driver
That's because Hamilton still significantly outperformed Rosberg that season and the reason he lost was mostly circumstantial.
If you are going to have a discussion about who is the greatest of all time, for it to have any merit, it requires some actual depth to the research. Simply looking up a few basic common knowledge stats and quoting them without context doesn't really give much weight to the opinion they are meant to be supporting.
In my view, Hamilton should go down as the best driver from 2014/2015 to present. His maturity in handling the title fight with Vettel is probably the most impressive thing we've seen from him. However, I still have Alonso firmly as the best driver from 2005 up to the Mercedes era. The only thing holding him back from having a dozen page thread about his ability to be considered an all-time great is his misfortune in not having been in a championship winning car for nearly all of his career. His ability to dominate teammates such as Raikkonen and Button (who Hamilton also didn't beat comfortably) is further proof of his abilities towards the latter part of his career.
If two drivers were picked as being an all time great of this generation, then I would likely pick Alonso and Hamilton, unless Vettel manages to pull off something special in the next few years.
The argument that Alonso should be considered above Hamilton on the all-time list seems to suggest that Hamilton's performance against him in identical machinery should be ignored and Alonso's performance at Ferrari from 2010-2013 should be focused on. We are seeing right now the problem with comparing Hamilton and Alonso from that window of time. Hamilton spent that time with equal status against two WDC-caliber teammates in Button and Rosberg while Alonso spent that time with #1 status against a career #2 driver in Massa.
Right now we see with Vettel and Leclerc just how compromising it is to have to share a garage with another top driver and how much you lose out. Even when the car is strong, your strategic options will be limited by the requirement for fairness. Having your teammate in your back pocket is perhaps the most advantageous situation that a driver can have as it makes you look good regardless of what you actually achieve. Likewise, going up against strong competition in the same car does nothing for you unless you beat them and win the title ( a tall order which Lewis has accomplished multiple times).