Jules Bianchi Update Thread [Split Thread]

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:16 am

Mod Grey wrote:I think it's a given that posting photos of the incident is a no-no.

JMILAT · Post by **JMILAT** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:17 am

Clarky wrote:I've just seen a picture of the car and its look horrible.

Not going to post it.

Absolutely...lets be honest if it is as bad as it looks, he needs a miracle.

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:18 am

Just seen recorded race and I'm very sad now.

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:18 am

Trust the Daily Mail to be crass enough to post pictures of the medics and the car.

Clarky · Post by **Clarky** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:18 am

My 8 year old son saw the picture and his face just dropped.

beanchimp · Post by **beanchimp** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:19 am

Ev0lutionz wrote:
Linking it. Thoughts are with Jules ;( Hope he is alright..

I would take the Daily Mail reports with a pinch of salt, sensationilst journalism factually incorrect

They even said he was airlifted to hospital

pubpokerplayer · Post by **pubpokerplayer** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:21 am

"There are some pictures now available of the crash scene which show the wheels of Jules' Marussia apparently wedged underneath the recovery truck. For reasons of decency and respect, which I'm sure you'll understand, we won't be publishing them." - From F1 Sky

Ev0lutionz · Post by **Ev0lutionz** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:21 am

beanchimp wrote:
Ev0lutionz wrote:
Linking it. Thoughts are with Jules ;( Hope he is alright..
I would take the Daily Mail reports with a pinch of salt, sensationilst journalism factually incorrect

They even said he was airlifted to hospital

I edited my post out of respect to Jules.

Alex53 · Post by **Alex53** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:23 am

There's damage all the way from the front of the car to the back. As if its gone right under the space between the back of the JCB and the ground. It does not look good.

mcdo · Post by **mcdo** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:25 am

My feeling when Sutil crashed was that they should have left his car there and not deployed the tractor. I can't imagine one of those ever being on circuit again without the Safety Car

Underviewer · Post by **Underviewer** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:25 am

Alex53 wrote:There's damage all the way from the front of the car to the back. As if its gone right under the space between the back of the JCB and the ground. It does not look good.

It's very difficult to see whether it was just the back of the car that went under it. Also, difficult to see whether they managed to move the JCB and/or car to get access to the driver before the majority of photos were taken.

beanchimp · Post by **beanchimp** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:25 am

Ev0lutionz wrote:
beanchimp wrote:
Ev0lutionz wrote:
Linking it. Thoughts are with Jules ;( Hope he is alright..
I would take the Daily Mail reports with a pinch of salt, sensationilst journalism factually incorrect

They even said he was airlifted to hospital

I edited my post out of respect to Jules.

I too have removed the DM links from my post, out of respect

Explorer1800 · Post by **Explorer1800** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 am

If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....

trento · Post by **trento** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:28 am

Banana Man wrote:This was the Nurburgring in 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3t56uLqlVI

Skip to 1:07 to skip through the waffle. 2:15 is where it gets properly relevant.

looks like the gravel saved them all.

Amon · Post by **Amon** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:29 am

Sorry if it was already posted here but Brundle's take on the whole accident is interesting:

Martin Brundle has often winced in commentary at the sight of recovery trucks coming onto the circuit having narrowly missed one and hit a marshal in similarly poor conditions at Suzuka in 1994. Here's his take:

"That’s obviously a wet-race situation, I don’t think it’s a standing water situation as such. It was raining this morning, you could have moved the race this morning and still had that particular accident. It’s not that he’s gone down the straight and aquaplaned off on a ridiculous amount of water or something.

"My concern, and I’ve expressed it many times, is those things [trucks] on track and I nearly lost my life against one of them and just missed it and then hit a marshal. The things are too high, you are sitting down so low and especially on that corner because it just keeps turning left. Some will say ‘oh, yeah there’s yellow flags’ and probably double-waved yellow flags, that doesn’t stop you actually spinning off. I spun off with yellow flags, I couldn’t even see my own steering wheel, let alone the yellow flags."

Razoola · Post by **Razoola** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:31 am

I want to make an observation here. They got him out of the car very fast for a head injury, normally in the situation of a head injury it takes a while to remove the driver but not in this case.

beanchimp · Post by **beanchimp** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:31 am

Clarky wrote:
Mod Grey wrote:I think it's a given that posting photos of the incident is a no-no.

Hasn't stopped PF-1 main page from having pictures sadly

Exediron · Post by **Exediron** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:32 am

Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....

That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.

Explorer1800 · Post by **Explorer1800** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:34 am

Amon wrote:Sorry if it was already posted here but Brundle's take on the whole accident is interesting:

Martin Brundle has often winced in commentary at the sight of recovery trucks coming onto the circuit having narrowly missed one and hit a marshal in similarly poor conditions at Suzuka in 1994. Here's his take:

"That’s obviously a wet-race situation, I don’t think it’s a standing water situation as such. It was raining this morning, you could have moved the race this morning and still had that particular accident. It’s not that he’s gone down the straight and aquaplaned off on a ridiculous amount of water or something.

"My concern, and I’ve expressed it many times, is those things [trucks] on track and I nearly lost my life against one of them and just missed it and then hit a marshal. The things are too high, you are sitting down so low and especially on that corner because it just keeps turning left. Some will say ‘oh, yeah there’s yellow flags’ and probably double-waved yellow flags, that doesn’t stop you actually spinning off. I spun off with yellow flags, I couldn’t even see my own steering wheel, let alone the yellow flags."

This is interesting. Maybe they need lights on the steering wheel? or automatic limiters etc

slide · Post by **slide** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:35 am

I now realise why all the drivers were low in spirit , and I bet this will highlight a problem that has exsisted for a while - tractors recovering on the track while the race is being run - the next big topic in F1

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:36 am

Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.

It is the news medias job to describe as accurately as possible what has happened. I don't think any free society would want there media to judge what is or is not appropriate.

backdoc · Post by **backdoc** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:36 am

Razoola wrote:I want to make an observation here. They got him out of the car very fast for a head injury, normally in the situation of a head injury it takes a while to remove the driver but not in this case.

I fear that was only the result of the severity of his injuries. I'm seriously concerned about Jules. I feel sick.

nexus · Post by **nexus** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:38 am

OK - going to post a link to this image. If you don't want to look at it then please don't click.

Reason I am posting it is it appears the damage was done by hitting the end of the barrier, not so much the tractor.

http://i.4cdn.org/sp/1412497402221.jpg

littlesparkle · Post by **littlesparkle** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:38 am

backdoc wrote:
Razoola wrote:I want to make an observation here. They got him out of the car very fast for a head injury, normally in the situation of a head injury it takes a while to remove the driver but not in this case.
I fear that was only the result of the severity of his injuries. I'm seriously concerned about Jules. I feel sick.

That's what I was thinking also

GoOnJenson · Post by **GoOnJenson** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:38 am

Explorer1800 wrote:
Amon wrote:Sorry if it was already posted here but Brundle's take on the whole accident is interesting:

Martin Brundle has often winced in commentary at the sight of recovery trucks coming onto the circuit having narrowly missed one and hit a marshal in similarly poor conditions at Suzuka in 1994. Here's his take:

"That’s obviously a wet-race situation, I don’t think it’s a standing water situation as such. It was raining this morning, you could have moved the race this morning and still had that particular accident. It’s not that he’s gone down the straight and aquaplaned off on a ridiculous amount of water or something.

"My concern, and I’ve expressed it many times, is those things [trucks] on track and I nearly lost my life against one of them and just missed it and then hit a marshal. The things are too high, you are sitting down so low and especially on that corner because it just keeps turning left. Some will say ‘oh, yeah there’s yellow flags’ and probably double-waved yellow flags, that doesn’t stop you actually spinning off. I spun off with yellow flags, I couldn’t even see my own steering wheel, let alone the yellow flags."
This is interesting. Maybe they need lights on the steering wheel? or automatic limiters etc

They do have lights in the cockpit to inform the drivers that they are in a yellow flag zone.

The point martin makes isn't about the yellows, or the track conditions as such, hes talking about the removal trucks.

F1zen · Post by **F1zen** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:38 am

mikeyg123 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.
It is the medias job to describe as accurately as possible what has happened. I don't think any free society would want there media to judge what is or is not appropriate.

This.

It's the responsibility of an individual to decide what they want to know about - what they want inside their head.

Flash2k11 · Post by **Flash2k11** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:39 am

nexus wrote:OK - going to post a link to this image. If you don't want to look at it then please don't click.

Reason I am posting it is it appears the damage was done by hitting the end of the barrier, not so much the tractor.

http://i.4cdn.org/sp/1412497402221.jpg

The tractor has been moved off of the car by then, there is a picture of it with the wheels poking out from underneath.

Echo1 · Post by **Echo1** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:39 am

I don't think they'll be a good outcome from this.

Anupam · Post by **Anupam** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:40 am

mikeyg123 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.
It is the news medias job to describe as accurately as possible what has happened. I don't think any free society would want there media to judge what is or is not appropriate.

SPOT ON!

If you don't want to see the pictures, don't see them. While I agree that sensationalism out of morbid curiousity isn't encouraging, allowing the media to decide what is appropriate or not is absolutely not acceptable in the free world.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:40 am

nexus wrote:OK - going to post a link to this image. If you don't want to look at it then please don't click.

Reason I am posting it is it appears the damage was done by hitting the end of the barrier, not so much the tractor.

http://i.4cdn.org/sp/1412497402221.jpg

I think the car has already gone under the tractor by this point.

flyboy10 · Post by **flyboy10** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:41 am

F1zen wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.
It is the medias job to describe as accurately as possible what has happened. I don't think any free society would want there media to judge what is or is not appropriate.
This.

It's the responsibility of an individual to decide what they want to know about - what they want inside their head.

True, but I find it disturbing the sorts of things that people will gleefully engage in watching. It scares me.

Alex53 · Post by **Alex53** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:41 am

Different people look at the pictures differently. Some may take some kind of morbid pleasure out of it, whereas other have been following this sport for 20 or 30 years and simply want to analyse what they see, understand the failings, and form an opinion on how something like this could be avoided in the future. When debate does not happen publicly it often gets dominated by monetary and other interests and the outcome is not necessarily in the best interests of those affected.

Constantly showing a decaffeinated version of events to people simply makes them unaware of the real dangers anyway. Life isn't an episode of the A Team, where 300 rounds are fired but they never actually hit anyone.

Gore and legitimate information are often intertwined and denying one, denies the other. It's a hard one to answer, so I wish people were not so judgmental of how information is shown and simply avoided what they don't want to see.

Explorer1800 · Post by **Explorer1800** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:41 am

Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.

And to F1's credit they are pretty staunch about these things. But as time passes the video comes out and gets put on youtube etc.
I think despite our best intentions that it is somewhat in our nature to want to know and see the fate of a fellow being.
Still hanging out for good news.

dizlexik · Post by **dizlexik** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:41 am

mikeyg123 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.
It is the news medias job to describe as accurately as possible what has happened. I don't think any free society would want there media to judge what is or is not appropriate.

Finally someone with common sense here.

pubpokerplayer · Post by **pubpokerplayer** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:42 am

Part of the reason people love watching F1 is that they're doing 200MPH and it's damn dangerous Fly. Some people would say that's a strange thing to gleefully watch. If people are intrigued it should be their decision to look or not.

simeon · Post by **simeon** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:42 am

I appreciate that posting links and actual images of the scene is seen as bad taste.
But it has taken me the best part of 1/2 an hour to figure out what has happened to the poor guy while everyone tip-toes around reality.
Yes, it does appear that Bianchi slid sideways into the rear of the JCB where the counterweight is in almost exactly the same slide path that Sutil did. The counterweight isn't going to give one millimeter and is quite high so this explains the heavy damage to the upper part of the car. It also appears that the Marrusia has been dragged forwards to facilitate getting Bianchi out for treatment.

Quite why I have struggled to find this out mystifies me and I didn't post one link or photo did I?

Exediron · Post by **Exediron** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:42 am

Anupam wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.
It is the news medias job to describe as accurately as possible what has happened. I don't think any free society would want there media to judge what is or is not appropriate.
SPOT ON!

If you don't want to see the pictures, don't see them. While I agree that sensationalism out of morbid curiousity isn't encouraging, allowing the media to decide what is appropriate or not is absolutely not acceptable in the free world.

I'm not talking about pictures here, I'm specifically talking about showing endless replays of things like fatal accidents on the news. Information is one thing, and that's another.

mikeyg123 · Post by **mikeyg123** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:43 am

flyboy10 wrote:
F1zen wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:
Exediron wrote:
Explorer1800 wrote:If this was US racing we would of seen repeats of every angle of the incident as this is what fans crave isn't it?
I don't think I have to name any recent incidents. In fact it's not limited to the US....
That's not one of the things I like about our news. People have a ghoulish fascination with seeings things like this, and it's the responsibility of those providing the access to restrict it unless it's appropriate.
It is the medias job to describe as accurately as possible what has happened. I don't think any free society would want there media to judge what is or is not appropriate.
This.

It's the responsibility of an individual to decide what they want to know about - what they want inside their head.
True, but I find it disturbing the sorts of things that people will gleefully engage in watching. It scares me.

I think people just want to piece together what happened.

Owain · Post by **Owain** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:43 am

All I can say is I hope I'm reading the state of the car in these pics totally wrong.

wj_gibson · Post by **wj_gibson** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:44 am

Clearly there is a need to learn lessons from this. I recall Liuzzi coming within about five feet of sliding under one of these vehicles at the Nurburgring in 2007 (when half the field slid off at T1 on the second lap). Since then I've always winced whenever the tractors are out and about.