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Well we knew as much from the radio exchange, but Rosberg appears to want to talk it over with Hamilton and/or the team:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/27056797

Very mature of Rosberg but if i'm Hamilton 11 points behind, I wouldn't change my tactic at this point. Lewis should be highly aggressive with in the limits. I believe Ricciardo pulled the same move on someone else so it not as if the defensive move was so out there.
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It doesn't go well for him either. Show's he isn't up for a fight even within the confines of the law. He lost out in a battle so is trying to stop on track fighting.

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pubpokerplayer wrote:It doesn't go well for him either. Show's he isn't up for a fight even within the confines of the law. He lost out in a battle so is trying to stop on track fighting.


The danger for Lewis is to change his mindset which right now is determined and very aggressive. Could take him off his game.

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Come on. His actions were worse in 2011 not once with button. But twice with Alonso. And nearly a 3rd time with Hamilton.

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What Lewis did was nothing wrong but as team mates they have to give each other more room.

End of the story is Nico will have to be aggressive in his driving or not. If roles were reversed I think Nico would do the same.

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Teddy007 wrote:What Lewis did was nothing wrong but as team mates they have to give each other more room.

End of the story is Nico will have to be aggressive in his driving or not. If roles were reversed I think Nico would do the same.

Somehow, I don't think he would. Not quite. It's the lack of that final 1% of aggression and ambition, just short of crossing the boundary into becoming a liability like Perez and Maldonado that might eventually consign Nico to being a nearly-man.

Hamilton is one of the very few drivers who can drive absolutely at the edge of the envelope without crossing over. Sometimes the same for Kimi, I think.

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may be its down to the fact that there as equals
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There were a few instances during the shootout of the last laps of the Bahrain GP when Hamilton had the inside line, and swung out to the track edge. It's hard but clean racing. But there was one instance that bothers Rosberg, where Hamilton moved quite quickly and aggressively, almost forcing a collision. Both drivers were under strict orders to bring both cars home, and Rosberg wishes to sit down with Hamilton and the team so they can define what's acceptable or not when team mates race each other.

Personally, I think this is a very responsible and mature action by Rosberg, to communicate and have everyone on the same page. This way, misunderstandings do not occur, and a nasty rivalry does not develop. Instead Rosberg desires that the team never suffers, but that the drivers can race each other.

I don't perceive this as Rosberg bucking and allowing himself to be relegated to just a support driver. He intends to take the fight to Hamilton, but he wants to make sure everyone involved know and understand what is expected of the drivers.

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It's apparently the incident on lap 18 Rosberg wants to talk about not incidents after the safety car.

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If he had hit Rosberg this would be a very different thread. Hamilton was very aggressive last race. As others have said it was within the rules but only just. He has made stupid mistakes before, and was inches away from making another.
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I think that hypocrite needs to recall how he drove against Hamilton at the same track two years ago before he cries about his teammate.

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jrwb6e wrote:I think that hypocrite needs to recall how he drove against Hamilton at the same track two years ago before he cries about his teammate.

Rules were different then and they weren't in the same team.
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For some reason Nico seems to be happy to make the public aware of this, rather than simply do it behind closed doors. Not sure if theres much behind this but sometimes there is reasons for doing so, so not sure what support he is trying to gain by it?

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Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:Fernando says hi ;) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sMZG0MLcc



After seeing what he did to Alonso, it is difficult to take Nico seriously about his grievances. No quarter should be given by Lewis even at the risk of crashing. I believe Nico is trying to get into Lewis's head while doing a very deliberate and public PR job to make him appear the "cleaner" more "respectful" driver. Masterstroke!

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I guess the public displays , shouting over the team radio is one of Nico's tactics to get under Lewis's skin but after P2 on Sky Ted asked Lewis if he and Nico had spoken with the team about the race , Lewis did that strange look of his and said "no"
Ted asked the same of Nico who said" yes we had talk and the team spoke and everything is fine .

I think Nico is a bit of a fuss pot and Lewis is like I ain't got time man got a championship to win .

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RaggedMan wrote:
jrwb6e wrote:I think that hypocrite needs to recall how he drove against Hamilton at the same track two years ago before he cries about his teammate.

Rules were different then and they weren't in the same team.


The incident with Hamilton was in 2011, back then the rules were indeed different.
In 2012 we had the "always leave space" rule. So rules regarding this were the same and the above example with Alonso is relevant.

And whether or not they're team mates... Well, when a team is so much ahead as Merc is now, for the drivers the fact whether or not they're in the same team tends to fade. Title is between them, they know it, and they have to make each one count.
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mds wrote:
RaggedMan wrote:
jrwb6e wrote:I think that hypocrite needs to recall how he drove against Hamilton at the same track two years ago before he cries about his teammate.

Rules were different then and they weren't in the same team.


The incident with Hamilton was in 2011, back then the rules were indeed different.
In 2012 we had the "always leave space" rule. So rules regarding this were the same and the above example with Alonso is relevant.

And whether or not they're team mates... Well, when a team is so much ahead as Merc is now, for the drivers the fact whether or not they're in the same team tends to fade. Title is between them, they know it, and they have to make each one count.[/quote

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No it was 2012

Here is Nico on Lewis on a straight !! In Bahrain 2012 and off the racing line

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC05YfPIBVc

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Qiwater wrote:No it was 2012

Here is Nico on Lewis on a straight !! In Bahrain 2012 and off the racing line

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC05YfPIBVc

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You're right, I thought that was 2011 but it was 2012 as well, same race. In that case, the incident with Hamilton was also under the same rules as those of today.
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Hamilton discusses the racing with Rosberg and the lap 18 move on his column on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27069159

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:Hamilton discusses the racing with Rosberg and the lap 18 move on his column on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27069159


Interesting read and while I understand his point of view, I do think the lap 18 incident ever so slightly crossed the line. Apart from that it was all good.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:Hamilton discusses the racing with Rosberg and the lap 18 move on his column on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27069159


Yes. Good read let the man speak for himself .... Nice to read about the secret car/body language between drivers!!!

Lewis knows the nature of Nico he knows his driving style and races him accordingly .

I do feel the whole issue is blown out of proportion and clouding what was clearly one of the most exciting races in a very long time.

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Interestingly, when questioned separately on Sky, Nico said they had sat down and discussed those 'moves' in Bahrain, whereas Lewis said that had not...

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im pretty sure the only move he didnt like was the one on lap 18, other than that he was fine with it, which we already knew anyway. So just a bit of sensationalism from the beeb

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Nico is sounding like a man on the back foot to me. No need to state all this publicly,do it in private.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:Hamilton discusses the racing with Rosberg and the lap 18 move on his column on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27069159


Thanks very much for the link. That was very insightful! I don't usually read LH columns but that was quite illuminating about racecraft.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:Hamilton discusses the racing with Rosberg and the lap 18 move on his column on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27069159

This particular quote made me laugh:

"For example, there will be drivers who you can tell are not good racers. They're maybe a little bit crazy out on the circuit."

He may have well added "You all know I mean Maldonado" at the end of it.
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Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:
Alienturnedhuman wrote:Hamilton discusses the racing with Rosberg and the lap 18 move on his column on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27069159

This particular quote made me laugh:

"For example, there will be drivers who you can tell are not good racers. They're maybe a little bit crazy out on the circuit."

He may have well added "You all know I mean Maldonado" at the end of it.


Yeah that was exactly my take on it too :lol:

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Qiwater wrote:
Lewis knows the nature of Nico he knows his driving style and races him accordingly .

I do feel the whole issue is blown out of proportion and clouding what was clearly one of the most exciting races in a very long time.


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I'd add that Nico Rosberg sounds too whiny right now!
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Baroche wrote:
Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:Fernando says hi ;) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sMZG0MLcc



After seeing what he did to Alonso, it is difficult to take Nico seriously about his grievances. No quarter should be given by Lewis even at the risk of crashing. I believe Nico is trying to get into Lewis's head while doing a very deliberate and public PR job to make him appear the "cleaner" more "respectful" driver. Masterstroke!


Indeed. I like this from Rosberg, spicing things up a little. I urge him to do everything that he thinks he has to do to stay ahead. If that includes some politics and media stuff so be it. Same for Hammo. I just want those guys to unleash hell. :] This season should not only show how fast Rosberg is, but also if he is any good under pressure, psychologically.

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People really do love blowing this fairy cakes way out of proportion don't they.
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F1creep wrote:
Baroche wrote:
Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:Fernando says hi ;) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sMZG0MLcc



After seeing what he did to Alonso, it is difficult to take Nico seriously about his grievances. No quarter should be given by Lewis even at the risk of crashing. I believe Nico is trying to get into Lewis's head while doing a very deliberate and public PR job to make him appear the "cleaner" more "respectful" driver. Masterstroke!


Indeed. I like this from Rosberg, spicing things up a little. I urge him to do everything that he thinks he has to do to stay ahead. If that includes some politics and media stuff so be it. Same for Hammo. I just want those guys to unleash hell. :] This season should not only show how fast Rosberg is, but also if he is any good under pressure, psychologically.


I'm afraid Nico has to do it on the track rather than out of it. It's not like Lewis reads any of those stuff.

Nico toes the line too much. Last year in Sepang, he was even faster than Lewis compared to Bahrain. Yet, he obeyed Brawn's order. Such a driver deserves to be second.

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RickM wrote:People really do love blowing this fairy cakes way out of proportion don't they.

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ianjds wrote:Oh dear, Britney's upset


McLaren would be too when looking at your signature. You'd better correct that (and I'm don't even mean the wrong reference to Vodafone) ;)
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trento wrote:
F1creep wrote:
Baroche wrote:
Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:Fernando says hi ;) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sMZG0MLcc



After seeing what he did to Alonso, it is difficult to take Nico seriously about his grievances. No quarter should be given by Lewis even at the risk of crashing. I believe Nico is trying to get into Lewis's head while doing a very deliberate and public PR job to make him appear the "cleaner" more "respectful" driver. Masterstroke!


Indeed. I like this from Rosberg, spicing things up a little. I urge him to do everything that he thinks he has to do to stay ahead. If that includes some politics and media stuff so be it. Same for Hammo. I just want those guys to unleash hell. :] This season should not only show how fast Rosberg is, but also if he is any good under pressure, psychologically.


I'm afraid Nico has to do it on the track rather than out of it. It's not like Lewis reads any of those stuff.

Nico toes the line too much. Last year in Sepang, he was even faster than Lewis compared to Bahrain. Yet, he obeyed Brawn's order. Such a driver deserves to be second.


You can't knock him for following team orders. I have wondered what would've happened last race if RB was still TP though. I'm not so sure we would have seen such close racing.

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Rek wrote:
trento wrote:
F1creep wrote:
Baroche wrote:
Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:Fernando says hi ;) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sMZG0MLcc



After seeing what he did to Alonso, it is difficult to take Nico seriously about his grievances. No quarter should be given by Lewis even at the risk of crashing. I believe Nico is trying to get into Lewis's head while doing a very deliberate and public PR job to make him appear the "cleaner" more "respectful" driver. Masterstroke!


Indeed. I like this from Rosberg, spicing things up a little. I urge him to do everything that he thinks he has to do to stay ahead. If that includes some politics and media stuff so be it. Same for Hammo. I just want those guys to unleash hell. :] This season should not only show how fast Rosberg is, but also if he is any good under pressure, psychologically.


I'm afraid Nico has to do it on the track rather than out of it. It's not like Lewis reads any of those stuff.

Nico toes the line too much. Last year in Sepang, he was even faster than Lewis compared to Bahrain. Yet, he obeyed Brawn's order. Such a driver deserves to be second.


You can't knock him for following team orders. I have wondered what would've happened last race if RB was still TP though. I'm not so sure we would have seen such close racing.


The same thing happened in that race Nico couldn't make his passes on Lewis stick Ross saw/knew that and told them to stop and bring the cars home as nothing would be gained by them both burning limited fuel fighting each other .

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'oh you're going to do me like that. next time i won't be so nice' should be rosberg's line of thought. forget team camaraderie, this is rosberg's best chance at a title.

honestly, the (overbearing) friendship hugs in victory circle were starting to grate on me a little bit.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:Hamilton discusses the racing with Rosberg and the lap 18 move on his column on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27069159

Interesting read! Especially the fact that Hamilton "forgets" to say what the outcome of the discussion was. That is significant.
He also just about admits the rules were indeed broken, because at no point do the rules distinguish between team mates and non-team mates.

I'm also rather surprised some people still haven't understood the Rosberg/Hamilton and Rosberg/Alonso situations two years ago.
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