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Marussia Motors is in liquidation process. This company was a power behind Marussia F1 Team.

Two variants. Owner of Marussia motors (Russian rich guy) would continue supporting F1 team. Other variant - he is selling his team.
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It will depend a lot on how closely the team as a business is tied to the car company.

When VM was having his issues a year or two ago they were saying the team was safe because although it was owned by him the two business were not parts of the same parent company. Or something to that effect.
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Can we get a source for this?
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Denorth wrote:Two variants. Owner of Marussia motors (Russian rich guy) would continue supporting F1 team. Other variant - he is selling his team.


Either he supports the team......or doesn't. Brilliant stuff there.... :uhoh:

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Jeepkhana wrote:
Denorth wrote:Two variants. Owner of Marussia motors (Russian rich guy) would continue supporting F1 team. Other variant - he is selling his team.


Either he supports the team......or doesn't. Brilliant stuff there.... :uhoh:



yep, that's the issue with any projects that are financed by one or two men and in reality are nothing but vanity things. Despite being a good idea.
Considering that in accordance to Russian guys behind whole Marussia project the F1 team was a marketing tool to promote brand Marussia, we are likely to see F1 team being sold.
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Denorth wrote:
Tufty wrote:Can we get a source for this?



not a problem

http://motor.ru/news/2014/04/07/marussia/

http://www.gazeta.ru/auto/2014/04/07_a_5983153.shtml

Thanks.

Looks like the team will be sold tbh, as you said the team is a marketing tool and nothing more. Somehow I can't see another sponsor taking it over, so we'll have to hope there's someone out there who wants to come in without the rigorous FIA vetting process... Maybe Stefan GP? *runs*
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that's exactly the name that has been mentioned already :)
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Denorth wrote:that's exactly the name that has been mentioned already :)

Yeah but it's still the most unwanted for a lot of people. Short of another Kolles-run outfit.
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Well John Booth was planning on running as Manor Motorsport before Virgin, could return to that?

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That sucks, hope the F1 team manage to find another sponsor. I don't think Manor have nearly enough money to run it on their own.

Maybe Stafanovich in F1 isn't looking so silly now?
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Tufty wrote:
Denorth wrote:that's exactly the name that has been mentioned already :)

Yeah but it's still the most unwanted for a lot of people. Short of another Kolles-run outfit.

Is there anything wrong with Kolles? It was under his leadership that HRT got the closest to looking like a respectable racing team.

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Volantary wrote:That sucks, hope the F1 team manage to find another sponsor. I don't think Manor have nearly enough money to run it on their own.

Maybe Stafanovich in F1 isn't looking so silly now?

i'm surprised no one has thought about ferrari (or fiat in this case) doing a redbull and running the team as alfa romeo...
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egnat69 wrote:
Volantary wrote:That sucks, hope the F1 team manage to find another sponsor. I don't think Manor have nearly enough money to run it on their own.

Maybe Stafanovich in F1 isn't looking so silly now?

i'm surprised no one has thought about ferrari (or fiat in this case) doing a redbull and running the team as alfa romeo...


Yeah and when Caterham decides to pull the plug they can buy that too a run a third team as Maserati :)

Well Marussia was already trying to merge with Sauber before the season started. We will have to see what happens but I'll see a name change in the near future if they do not cease to exist. The question is who wants to pump money in the team. It didn't work as Virgin and it doesn't work as Marussia. I expect them to struggle even more if in 2015 2 new teams would join the circus unless they are taken over by a manufacturer.
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Stafanovich would want to bring the Toyota chassis so may be a outright advantage next season regardless of what team him and his backers back
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5ANDYm wrote:Stafanovich would want to bring the Toyota chassis so may be a outright advantage next season regardless of what team him and his backers back


That Toyota must be what, 4 years old now? Would have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to next years car.
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5ANDYm wrote:Stafanovich would want to bring the Toyota chassis so may be a outright advantage next season regardless of what team him and his backers back


That Toyota must be what, 4 years old now? Would have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to next years car.

not really each car is a evolution of last years car and they have have been trying to get in to f1 going two years as part of the deal with toyota was that Stefan Grand Prix also rented private office space at Toyota Motorsport so who knows what happened in the run-up to 2010, it stands to reason if they had spent a shed load of cash developing it to bring it to what would be 2014 specs on paper, lets be honest it would be much better shape that there current chassis could easily jump into the midfield
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egnat69 wrote:
Volantary wrote:That sucks, hope the F1 team manage to find another sponsor. I don't think Manor have nearly enough money to run it on their own.

Maybe Stafanovich in F1 isn't looking so silly now?

i'm surprised no one has thought about ferrari (or fiat in this case) doing a redbull and running the team as alfa romeo...


Luca wants customer cars not a second team.....

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5ANDYm wrote:
Flash2k11 wrote:
5ANDYm wrote:Stafanovich would want to bring the Toyota chassis so may be a outright advantage next season regardless of what team him and his backers back


That Toyota must be what, 4 years old now? Would have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to next years car.

not really each car is a evolution of last years car and they have have been trying to get in to f1 going two years as part of the deal with toyota was that Stefan Grand Prix also rented private office space at Toyota Motorsport so who knows what happened in the run-up to 2010, it stands to reason if they had spent a shed load of cash developing it to bring it to what would be 2014 specs on paper, lets be honest it would be much better shape that there current chassis could easily jump into the midfield


No it would not! Ignoring all the rest, the 2014 regs make the Toyota chassis a museum piece at best. New power train, crash tests, aero the list is endless over 4 years. Even Dallara will manage to design something more relevant for next year.

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The Toyota would be so hopelessly out of date by now.
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Jezick wrote:
egnat69 wrote:
Volantary wrote:That sucks, hope the F1 team manage to find another sponsor. I don't think Manor have nearly enough money to run it on their own.

Maybe Stafanovich in F1 isn't looking so silly now?

i'm surprised no one has thought about ferrari (or fiat in this case) doing a redbull and running the team as alfa romeo...


Luca wants customer cars not a second team.....

luca also wants 3 cars per team... buying marussia would be as close as it gets... plus, he is part of the FIAT board, and some of those brands over there could use a bit more exposure, tbh...
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I wonder if Andretti Autosport may get involved.

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Placid wrote:I wonder if Andretti Autosport may get involved.


That would be a huge step up for any Indycar team except Ganassi or Penske, and even they would think very hard about.

I wonder if Russian Time would consider dropping iSport in GP2 and inheriting Manor?

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Toby. wrote:The Toyota would be so hopelessly out of date by now.

Quite.

Not a single chassis was carried over by any of the teams from last year, not even Caterham or Marussia. The new rules meant the teams had to completely redesign all their cars and all the components in it. They couldn't use a 2010 Toyota chassis even if they wanted to.
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huggybear wrote:
Placid wrote:I wonder if Andretti Autosport may get involved.


That would be a huge step up for any Indycar team except Ganassi or Penske, and even they would think very hard about.

I wonder if Russian Time would consider dropping iSport in GP2 and inheriting Manor?


What's happening with Russian Time since the owner died? I saw they dropped their GP3 plans and are still running in GP2 this year but with a Russian pay driver (and Mitch Evans, don't know what his financials are like), as opposed to two good paid drivers like last year. Tragic story, I was really behind them last season and by all accounts the owner died through no fault of his own after doing a lot of good for GP2 and some charity work through sidepod sponsorship space.
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Placid wrote:I wonder if Andretti Autosport may get involved.


I doubt it seeing as they have entered a team in Formula E.

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Laura23 wrote:
Toby. wrote:The Toyota would be so hopelessly out of date by now.

Quite.

Not a single chassis was carried over by any of the teams from last year, not even Caterham or Marussia. The new rules meant the teams had to completely redesign all their cars and all the components in it. They couldn't use a 2010 Toyota chassis even if they wanted to.


Just a thought...does the Toyota chassis still even exist? I mean, Pirelli had one of them, they then sold it, then IIRC a failed team entry bought it, and they sold it. Then it vanished.

It's probably sitting in someones garage collecting dust. The second one you'd assume (if it was ever actually completed in a working state) would be in the hands of Toyota somewhere.

But yeah, either way it'd be useless now. I mean, it was before we had DRS, new engines, new ride heights, etc. Even if you were to take just the crash structure it'd be useless as it'd be the wrong shape with the new rules.
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Volantary wrote:
huggybear wrote:
Placid wrote:I wonder if Andretti Autosport may get involved.


That would be a huge step up for any Indycar team except Ganassi or Penske, and even they would think very hard about.

I wonder if Russian Time would consider dropping iSport in GP2 and inheriting Manor?


What's happening with Russian Time since the owner died? I saw they dropped their GP3 plans and are still running in GP2 this year but with a Russian pay driver (and Mitch Evans, don't know what his financials are like), as opposed to two good paid drivers like last year. Tragic story, I was really behind them last season and by all accounts the owner died through no fault of his own after doing a lot of good for GP2 and some charity work through sidepod sponsorship space.


They initially had Motopark running their GPx teams, but when Igor Mazepa died, Motopark reconsidered their position (or were told then weren't getting RT backing anymore), and they've now got iSport International running their GP2 team.
It might just be that Russian Time are re-evaluating the use of their money, or Motopark/iSport were more responsible for the day to day running of the team, and iSport can't afford to pay drivers.

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