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Zblogger wrote:Paddy has just confirmed that both drivers were allowed to race from lights to flag.

And so all drivers should

As much as I dislike Red Bull I am glad they allowed Vettel and Dan to fight

Super Mario Kart, coming Europe we will se painted symbols on the track with sensors beneath. If you run them over while am indicator is lit on the steering wheel you'll get a free 10 s. remap to gain some extra hp...

Lauda - All this bullshit HAHAHAHAHA

Clearly by what we saw on the track there were no team orders, or other way said, if there were, they were not followed by the two drivers.
Nico was given every advantage that could have been given to him and he failed to overtake LH.
I don't understand why some people can't give credit to the brilliant driving LH did, despite the bad luck with SC he had.
Everything going into Nico's favor, no matter he failed vs. LH from the start even, and then he is given second change with the stars aligning in his way and again LH out-drives him
Give credit where due.

Ev0lutionz wrote:Tyre advantage does not mean you win until you pass the car. Just ask Alonso and Lewis at Abu Dhabi 2010? They couldnt pass the Renaults.

Was there DRS then?

He managed it on equal tyres, but could not with an advantage. Odd that Nico did not get it done.

You know the 'fanboys' are being as bad as the 'haters' today. Both sets need to calm it down a bit.

Was the race good? Absobloodylutely!

Did Merc let the boys race? Yes, they did.

Did either Merc boy deserve the win? Yes, they did.

Does it leave you excited for the next race? Yes, it has.

There's not much more we can ask. I was wrong on few things, but I still think Merc will have to use Team Orders at some point. It'd be nonsensical for them not to despite the 1.5/2 second a lap advantage they currently have.

Clarky wrote:Lauda - All this bullshit HAHAHAHAHA

I was glad he cleared everything up regarding Lewis and Nico.

Clarky wrote:

F1yer wrote:

indianajones wrote:I think rosberg will take Hamilton out the next race...just to show him who is the man

This race was a great chance because Lewis was drving dangerous. If he took him out he would be justified

Your boring

I've stated before that I don't have a driver so I find some of the comments on here mental, but certain names on here are starting to stand out as people that are best ignored.

I have a football team so I understand blind loyalty and bias, but even then I at least know I'm seeing the world through tinted specs. I think a lot on here genuinely believe their own nonsense.

After the safety car they were allowed to race, briefly at least but in the last 3/4 laps Nico definitely backed off and these tyres aren't so bad they fall off after a few laps so I can't think of any other reason than team orders enforced.

Laura23 wrote:You know the 'fanboys' are being as bad as the 'haters' today. Both sets need to calm it down a bit.

Was the race good? Absobloodylutely!

Did Merc let the boys race? Yes, they did.

Did either Merc boy deserve the win? Yes, they did.

Does it leave you excited for the next race? Yes, it has.

There's not much more we can ask. I was wrong on few things, but I still think Merc will have to use Team Orders at some point. It'd be nonsensical for them not to despite the 1.5/2 second a lap advantage they currently have.

Why do they need to use Team Orders ? Why not just let them race, if they are so far ahead does it really matter which drivers comes 1st or 2nd and which one wins the championship ? (if indeed thats how it ends up)

Robbo-92 wrote:After the safety car they were allowed to race, briefly at least but in the last 3/4 laps Nico definitely backed off and these tyres aren't so bad they fall off after a few laps so I can't think of any other reason than team orders enforced.

The mediums took longer to get warmed up. Did you not listen to the Lewis/Rosberg discussion before the podium?

Surprised Hamilton won it in the end. I thought Rosberg would have him with the softs. Great defensive driving by Hamilton!

Mercedes pace is scary when they fully open up the taps.. Brawn GP scary.

Don't forget people, we are not even at Europe in the schedule yet.

How many seasons in the past has a team looked unbeatable early only to be caught up later.

Although...I think this year may be an exception. That car, engine and double-driver pairing may make this season a wash

Lt. Drebin wrote:Impressions:

5. Ferrari is in "1980" mode. I excpect riots in Italy.

LOL

azeem wrote:I'm just happy we saw that the Mercedes drivers are allowed to race each other.
Nico was faster in the first stint, the call to put him on to the mediums cost him. Mercedes should have done same strategy for both.
Lewis incredible at the end defending with the prime tyres!

nico was not always faster in the first stint. In fact for the first half of the first stint lewis was slightly quicker, but then Lewis ran out of tires , which allowed Nico to start putting pressure on him. if you can say one thing; rosberg did better in tire management, but the key was the start. Because i don't think the guy behind would have been able to overtake today.

Laura23 wrote:You know the 'fanboys' are being as bad as the 'haters' today. Both sets need to calm it down a bit.

Was the race good? Absobloodylutely!

Did Merc let the boys race? Yes, they did.

Did either Merc boy deserve the win? Yes, they did.

Does it leave you excited for the next race? Yes, it has.

There's not much more we can ask. I was wrong on few things, but I still think Merc will have to use Team Orders at some point. It'd be nonsensical for them not to despite the 1.5/2 second a lap advantage they currently have.

Team orders could come but only if one pulls a gap in the WDC (which doesn't look like happening soon). I don't think its any sort of lovely 'pure racing' decision to not impose team orders at the moment, just that they simply don't have a driver in a clear #1 position and I don't reckon either of the drivers would listen at this stage anyway.

Laura23 wrote:You know the 'fanboys' are being as bad as the 'haters' today. Both sets need to calm it down a bit.


There's not much more we can ask. I was wrong on few things, but I still think Merc will have to use Team Orders at some point. It'd be nonsensical for them not to despite the 1.5/2 second a lap advantage they currently have.

Can not agree Laura. They could easily be 100+ points clear of 3rd in WDC by half distance. Its already 25+ down to FA/SV

The crucial thing is no one driver is coming P3 all season and if anybody does overtake Mercedes they will be finishing 2nd/3rd/4th every race anyway.

Lets hope Honda will be able to shake to the order in 2015

TheBlackFlag wrote:Don't forget people, we are not even at Europe in the schedule yet.

How many seasons in the past has a team looked unbeatable early only to be caught up later.

Although...I think this year may be an exception. That car, engine and double-driver pairing may make this season a wash

The gap will come down, there would be no major upgrades since last week so this is effectively race 2 settings. Far too early to be counting chickens..

pubpokerplayer wrote:I think Lauda just cleared it all up for those who didn't understand

"I think Lewis was better this time because he was on the harder tyres and Lewis still couldn't get pass"

Lewis could'nt pass lewis.. That explains it.

beanchimp wrote:

Laura23 wrote:You know the 'fanboys' are being as bad as the 'haters' today. Both sets need to calm it down a bit.

Was the race good? Absobloodylutely!

Did Merc let the boys race? Yes, they did.

Did either Merc boy deserve the win? Yes, they did.

Does it leave you excited for the next race? Yes, it has.

There's not much more we can ask. I was wrong on few things, but I still think Merc will have to use Team Orders at some point. It'd be nonsensical for them not to despite the 1.5/2 second a lap advantage they currently have.

Why do they need to use Team Orders ? Why not just let them race, if they are so far ahead does it really matter which drivers comes 1st or 2nd and which one wins the championship ? (if indeed thats how it ends up)

Hypothetical situation.

Last race (which is double points). Mercs are in 1 and 2. The driver in 2nd has a much higher chance of winning the championship due to more points. The guy in 3rd will be WDC if he wins the race. You've going to let car #2 go ahead and use car #1 as a blocker for car #3.

It makes no sense to call team orders until its not possible for your second driver to win the WDC. At which point I have no problem with it, and you'd be foolish to think Merc wouldn't do it. Every team would do it.

Andrew Davies is going to have a field day with this one

Good to see Ricciardo battling his way past his teammate though...

Sensational performance from Hamilton. Perhaps not at his best, given terrible luck with the safety car yet he still hustled the victory out. His race craft and positioning of the car absolutely superb. A throwback to his sensational performances early on in his career. Mercedes barring a Newey miracle will win the title this year and it is Hamilton vs. Rosberg.

Outside of that great to see a resurgent Perez on the podium and Ricciardo is making waves at Red Bull.

How long can Domenicalli continue at Ferrari? This was a complete an utter embarrassment. If they think they are going get anywhere near the title this year they are delusional.

mcsqueegy wrote:Andrew Davies is going to have a field day with this one

Who?!

RickM wrote:

beanchimp wrote:

Laura23 wrote:You know the 'fanboys' are being as bad as the 'haters' today. Both sets need to calm it down a bit.

Was the race good? Absobloodylutely!

Did Merc let the boys race? Yes, they did.

Did either Merc boy deserve the win? Yes, they did.

Does it leave you excited for the next race? Yes, it has.

There's not much more we can ask. I was wrong on few things, but I still think Merc will have to use Team Orders at some point. It'd be nonsensical for them not to despite the 1.5/2 second a lap advantage they currently have.

Why do they need to use Team Orders ? Why not just let them race, if they are so far ahead does it really matter which drivers comes 1st or 2nd and which one wins the championship ? (if indeed thats how it ends up)

Hypothetical situation.

Last race (which is double points). Mercs are in 1 and 2. The driver in 2nd has a much higher chance of winning the championship due to more points. The guy in 3rd will be WDC if he wins the race. You've going to let car #2 go ahead and use car #1 as a blocker for car #3.

It makes no sense to call team orders until its not possible for your second driver to win the WDC. At which point I have no problem with it, and you'd be foolish to think Merc wouldn't do it. Every team would do it.

I understand that, but if not in that situation why would they need to use team orders

Does anybody know, how many times Nico overtook Leiws?3 or 4?

Ferrari is in just complete disarray.

All of the money and resources they have... They have to make a move with Stefano, I would look over my back if I was Stefano.

The ominous thing for redbull is IF they catch up to Merc, AND IF they get faster, it seems like Mercedes will be good enough to continually take second place. I doubt McLaren and co will pass Mercedes this season. Looks like a Mercedes title this season already!

At the moment, it's NOT looking like Redbull will catch and pass Mercedes though.

OutKast wrote:Ferrari is in just complete disarray.

All of the money and resources they have... They have to make a move with Stefano, I would look over my back if I was Stefano.

Amen. Ferrari were just fairy cakes.

What a race! Really need to catch my breath.

If the season keeps up like that then I'll be happy.

I think the difference between this Merc dominance and the RB one of last season is that these drivers will push each other. Webber was rarely in a position to do so with Vettel, so he never needed to really put his foot down.

lamo wrote:Does anybody know, how many times Nico overtook Leiws?3 or 4?

Funnily enough, Nico overtook Lewis one less than Lewis overtook Nico

Herb wrote:What a race! Really need to catch my breath.

If the season keeps up like that then I'll be happy.

I think the difference between this Merc dominance and the RB one of last season is that these drivers will push each other. Webber was rarely in a position to do so with Vettel, so he never needed to really put his foot down.

Yup. Dominance isn't so bad when it's not the same driver, the same lies, the same 'accidents' with driver #2, etc. It's great to see REAL racing for once.

Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.

indianajones wrote:

OutKast wrote:Ferrari is in just complete disarray.

All of the money and resources they have... They have to make a move with Stefano, I would look over my back if I was Stefano.

Amen. Ferrari were just fairy cakes.

The look on LDM's face when he turned away after Alonso was breezed past says everything.

lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.

You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.

Demoralising day for Vettel. Im liking it
I think LH needs the praise in this race. I do feel for Rosberg but he just could not make it work. Ultimately, respect to both merc drivers for not taking out each other and doing some clean driving and more importantly, respect to merc team management for allowing them to race even if there was a very very strong chance both cars could easily have been wiped out.

Fantastic race, way, way beyond my expectations of it. Hamilton has truly laid down the gauntlet here; I think that final stint after the safety car will be talked about at the seasons end as one of the truly defining moments of the year. Ricciardo has certainly stated his case too, fantastic drive. Ferrari in utter shambles though, the sight of the Force India's just driving round them like backmarkers over and over is surely the death knell for someone at the Ferrari engine department.

Mercedes look crazy fast now, 22 seconds out of what, 14 laps? I cant see that kind of gap being overtaken before the end of the season, backing Merc for WCC looks to be buying money now. Maldonado needs to have a long hard look at himself too, the accidents where he is so badly at fault arent going away and its surely getting to the point where the stewards are going to really rain down on him.

Still a shame to see some people in here just cannot give Hamilton credit for anything though; some of you are turning into caricatures of yourselves these days. And suggesting that it would be a good idea for Nico to crash into him on purpose? Christ.

F1yer wrote:

lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.

You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.

Nico said he destroyed his tyres in the first 5 laps after the SC

I know as a British company Sky should be slightly biased towards the British teams and drivers, but in Lewis's interview Pinkham made it seem like the harder tyres were seconds slower a lap, not at most 0.5 secs a lap as was shown today, Lewis also saying he was struggling with pace all weekend and that Nico was faster even though Lewis won the race, would possibly have taken pole if he hadn't made a couple of mistakes in Q3 yesterday.