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F1yer wrote:
Vettel won because he was faster.. Simple.

No reason to be tiddled about it.


Well, today Vettel lost because he was slower. Also simple. ;)

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I think the amount of times that Nico/Lewis and Mercedes themselves dismissing the "bring the cars home" as team orders kind of backs up that they were team orders.
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F1yer wrote:
PzR Slim wrote:
F1yer wrote:
shoot999 wrote:
F1yer wrote:

You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:


Thanks ... I am pleased


What i am surprised about is how everyone can simply ignore the massive strategy disadvantage Nico suffered and celebrate the win.

Didn't stop you gorging yourself on Vettels wins even though he received a massive advantage in all aspects. A guy you don't like won. Get over it.


Vettel won because he was faster.. Simple.

No reason to be tiddled about it.


Correction. He won because his CAR was faster....that's how it works ;)
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Robbo-92 wrote:I think the amount of times that Nico/Lewis and Mercedes themselves dismissing the "bring the cars home" as team orders kind of backs up that they were team orders.


Makes no sense. They're not making proactive statements, they're being asked about it.

The battling at the beginning of the stint proves there were no orders. And again I'm not sure anyone would even listen at this stage in the season when there's a WDC at stake.

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F1yer wrote:
Vettel won because he was faster.. Simple.

No reason to be tiddled about it.

lol, you really are making a fool of yourself. Keep it coming champ.
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Warheart01 wrote:Do you prefer a two car race, or a one car race like 2011 and 2013 (and to certain extent 2009, 2010, 2012)?

Edit - Came to think of it, with two cars you actually have a race. But do you actually have that with one?

This again?

Yes, 2010-2013 period was vastly preferable as not only Vetted didn't have such gigantic advantage, one car can fail while two can't, really, and with Vettel always 2 podium steps were for grabs, including highest one, not just lowest step. Remind me, when was last time we heard 'your team mate slipped, this means other 20 cars are meaningless and pole is in the bag'? :uhoh:

Aaand, in completely unpredictable result, it was 1-2 for Merc and 80% Mercedes engine cars in Top 5. Who could have guessed? x(

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F1yer wrote:Vettel won because he was faster.. Simple.

No reason to be tiddled about it.


And today Lewis was faster. So why are you being so grumpy?

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Lt. Drebin wrote:
wolfie81 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup: :thumbup:

That'a how the team works, and Vettel was without word a part of it. Well, hats off to him for letting Ricciardo by.


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Robbo-92 wrote:I think the amount of times that Nico/Lewis and Mercedes themselves dismissing the "bring the cars home" as team orders kind of backs up that they were team orders.

"Bring the cars home" taken on face value means make sure both cars finish the race, which means don't take each other out.

Judging by what happened on track those were the only team orders. Not everything is a code :)
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rvirax wrote:The lower nose was supposed to be a safety measure but I think that the lower nose of the Lotus got under the Sauber and flipped it.
Interesting point of discussion coming ahead soon I expect.

I might be a bit late with this but it had nothing to do with the low nose, the rear wheels interlocked
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Ennis wrote:
Robbo-92 wrote:I think the amount of times that Nico/Lewis and Mercedes themselves dismissing the "bring the cars home" as team orders kind of backs up that they were team orders.


Makes no sense. They're not making proactive statements, they're being asked about it.

The battling at the beginning of the stint proves there were no orders. And again I'm not sure anyone would even listen at this stage in the season when there's a WDC at stake.


They raced at the start of the stint, then after the safety car briefly, as soon as they nearly collided though Nico seemed to back right off which makes me wonder if Mercedes told Nico to hold 2nd place and we never heard it via the TV broadcast. Also we don't know what it says in Lewis's contract, he could well be No 1 driver this season as he took a slight gamble leaving McLaren for a underperforming Mercedes team (well they were at the time) so it would make sense that Lewis would have some form of preferential treatment over Nico for this season at least, also Nico looked slightly tiddled off in his post race interview with Pinkham, this was most likely down to him being 2nd rather than 1st, but you could take his body language and make a plausible theory that team orders were enforced today, just possibly pre race so we, the fans didn't hear them and "bring the cars home" was just enforcing them further.
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After we heard 'bring the cars home' Nico overtook Lewis and Lewis got the place back.

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deepblue12 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
wolfie81 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup: :thumbup:

That'a how the team works, and Vettel was without word a part of it. Well, hats off to him for letting Ricciardo by.


lol ye right...remember Multi 21!!!


Vettel just cant win, he disobeyed team orders and was condemned for it, he obeys team orders and is still seemingly hated for obeying team orders.
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Robbo-92 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
wolfie81 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup: :thumbup:

That'a how the team works, and Vettel was without word a part of it. Well, hats off to him for letting Ricciardo by.


lol ye right...remember Multi 21!!!


Vettel just cant win, he disobeyed team orders and was condemned for it, he obeys team orders and is still seemingly hated for obeying team orders.

And Merc get condemned for team orders that could very well have been invented in a poster's brain.

But hey, whatever ;) ...
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pubpokerplayer wrote:After we heard 'bring the cars home' Nico overtook Lewis and Lewis got the place back.


I think the Merc team orders must include light up and lock your tyres, push each other to the edge of the track, swop positions, take the corners side by side at full chat; and once your well clear of third pace still go at it 100%.

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If they 1-2 all years it going to be decided by DNFs. A DNF they lose 25 points to team mate. Being half a lap slower, they lose 8 points.

If it carries on like this, Lewis will need 4 wins to Nicos 1 before he takes a slim 3 point lead.

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Robbo-92 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
wolfie81 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup: :thumbup:

That'a how the team works, and Vettel was without word a part of it. Well, hats off to him for letting Ricciardo by.


lol ye right...remember Multi 21!!!


Vettel just cant win, he disobeyed team orders and was condemned for it, he obeys team orders and is still seemingly hated for obeying team orders.

I'm not sure anyone is condemning him for obeying team orders today. The post you have quoted was referring to his ignoring of team orders last year

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deepblue12 wrote:
Lt. Drebin wrote:
wolfie81 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup: :thumbup:

That'a how the team works, and Vettel was without word a part of it. Well, hats off to him for letting Ricciardo by.


lol ye right...remember Multi 21!!!

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shoot999 wrote:
pubpokerplayer wrote:After we heard 'bring the cars home' Nico overtook Lewis and Lewis got the place back.


I think the Merc team orders must include light up and lock your tyres, push each other to the edge of the track, swop positions, take the corners side by side at full chat; and once your well clear of third pace still go at it 100%.

And, at one point, be told to turn the engines up!
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Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:
shoot999 wrote:
pubpokerplayer wrote:After we heard 'bring the cars home' Nico overtook Lewis and Lewis got the place back.


I think the Merc team orders must include light up and lock your tyres, push each other to the edge of the track, swop positions, take the corners side by side at full chat; and once your well clear of third pace still go at it 100%.

And, at one point, be told to turn the engines up!


Whilst trading fastest laps!

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Just heard that there is a 44% chance of a SC at Bahrain. Did Nico get the best strategy then?

Certainly worth the gamble and the gamble did pay off to give him the best strategy he just shot his tyres in the last stint.

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wow, a really, really fun race to watch today. yet, bitching is everywhere here ??

clearly a new team has taken over the top spot, those two drivers are battling fiercely, some mid pack teams have edged closer to the front, some younger guys are looking exciting.......all good stuff to enjoy!

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Kudos to all team directors...they let their boys battle it out on track. Nice to see that. :thumbup:

Pity Mercedes are so far ahead...this could have been a much funner season.

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Wow...what a race...safety car really mixed things up at the end there!

I noticed that quite a few of the perceived stronger drivers had weaker weekends...at least once it counted, after all, there are no points for practice. Rosberg, Perez, Ricciardo, Raikonnen most notably all looked strong compared to their team mates, especially in qualifying. Maybe it's just better set-up, but curious that no-one has mentioned the gear ratios which are now fixed - presumably each driver can have theirs slightly different though....just wondering if anyone thinks that could have played a part?

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tissot wrote:What in earth are you people talking about?
I wanted the half Finn to win, but he was offered to first place on a silver tray with better tires and Hamilton losing all of the advantage he had build on better tires.
If Rosberg can't get past him with these conditions, then he wont deserve the place.

One again disappointed with Williams. They just don't seem to be able to create clean race and strategy.

Great race today!

What could Williams do after Massa made a stance about team orders, "Felippe is faster than you so let him pass"?

I don't think so even Massa's subtle hint that Bottas was struggling with his rear tyres.
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pokerman wrote:
tissot wrote:What in earth are you people talking about?
I wanted the half Finn to win, but he was offered to first place on a silver tray with better tires and Hamilton losing all of the advantage he had build on better tires.
If Rosberg can't get past him with these conditions, then he wont deserve the place.

One again disappointed with Williams. They just don't seem to be able to create clean race and strategy.

Great race today!

What could Williams do after Massa made a stance about team orders, "Felippe is faster than you so let him pass"?

I don't think so even Massa's subtle hint that Bottas was struggling with his rear tyres.


Yeah, Williams have really dropped a bollock for the whole season with the way Malaysia was handled, the trust between the drivers and the team appears to be terminally damaged.
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Unlucky race for Williams.

Would have liked to see Rosberg chase Lewis on the last stint. He might have caught up the time. Its different to catch than to pass.

Another good race by Ricciardo.

Good to see Force India doing well too.

Martin Whitmarsh must be enjoying how well Ron is doing.

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AnRs wrote:
tissot wrote:What in earth are you people talking about?
I wanted the half Finn to win, but he was offered to first place on a silver tray with better tires and Hamilton losing all of the advantage he had build on better tires.
If Rosberg can't get past him with these conditions, then he wont deserve the place.

One again disappointed with Williams. They just don't seem to be able to create clean race and strategy.

Great race today!


What are you talking about? Nico had switched to a 2 stopper and coasting, had to switch strategy and got team rolled again..
+ Pushed off track twice

How did Rosberg switch strategy when he stayed on the same 2 stop strategy?
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It's baffling that people can think that the strategy was put in place to favor Hamilton.

From what I saw that strategy favored rosberg all the way, intentionally or not, even without the safety car.

the soft tire is 0.6sec quicker, so even with the 9 sec gap that lewis had before the safety car came in, Nico could have closed the gap in the 17 or so laps that were left. 0.6sec*17 laps = 10sec.
Either way, the race would have been up for grabs towards the end.

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babararacucudada wrote:Would have liked to see Rosberg chase Lewis on the last stint


:-?

He did chase him. He caught him. In fact he even got pass him. He didn't hold on to the position though.

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AnRs wrote:
AFCTUJacko wrote:
Lewis was 2 stopping aswell you plank :lol:


So he has his own set of rules now? Hmmm, are you for real?

Hamilton did 41 laps on 2 sets of soft tyres, one of these used, you don't think he could have finished the last 16 laps of the race on the mediums with a lighter fuel load? :uhoh:
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pubpokerplayer wrote:
babararacucudada wrote:Would have liked to see Rosberg chase Lewis on the last stint


:-?

He did chase him. He caught him. In fact he even got pass him. He didn't hold on to the position though.


The safety car closed the gap.

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mika_98 wrote:Just hope Lewis doesnt go away making smug comments and blowing his own trumpet. The season is long!

No he said that Nico was faster
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babararacucudada wrote:
pubpokerplayer wrote:
babararacucudada wrote:Would have liked to see Rosberg chase Lewis on the last stint


:-?

He did chase him. He caught him. In fact he even got pass him. He didn't hold on to the position though.


The safety car closed the gap.


Ahh I thought you were saying you wouldn't to see them fight and was disappointed Nico didn't try and pass him. My apologies.

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kleefton wrote:the soft tire is 0.6sec quicker, so even with the 9 sec gap that lewis had before the safety car came in, Nico could have closed the gap in the 17 or so laps that were left. 0.6sec*17 laps = 10sec.


There is no evidence of that 0.6s difference, at least when it comes to Merc cars. In the middle stint, Lewis was on softs and Nico on mediums. I don't know exactly how long that stint was, but it was about 20 laps. Lewis made up only 3.5 seconds during that time, which is slightly below 0.2s per lap.

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SmoothRide wrote:
kleefton wrote:the soft tire is 0.6sec quicker, so even with the 9 sec gap that lewis had before the safety car came in, Nico could have closed the gap in the 17 or so laps that were left. 0.6sec*17 laps = 10sec.


There is no evidence of that 0.6s difference, at least when it comes to Merc cars. In the middle stint, Lewis was on softs and Nico on mediums. I don't know exactly how long that stint was, but it was about 20 laps. Lewis made up only 3.5 seconds during that time, which is slightly below 0.2s per lap.


3.5 seconds?

Lewis was only just ahead when he pitted the first time, and over 9 seconds when the safety car came out.

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Only made up 3.5 seconds? The gap was 9.6 seconds when the SC came out. There was a 20 second gap when Nico pitted and the pitlane takes 23 seconds. That's 6.6 seconds made up.

However if you watched the race you will see Lewis was asked to go faster and said that he was coasting to look after tyres and not pushing. He still had more life in his tyres too but pitted because of the SC though surely he wouldn't have stayed out much longer.

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Azi wrote:
F1yer wrote:Vettel won because he was faster.. Simple.

No reason to be tiddled about it.


And today Lewis was faster. So why are you being so grumpy?


No he wasnt.. And i am grumpy exactly because a slower driver won simply because theteam chose a. Better strategy for him.


Actually he got beat in pace to a driver who was beaten by Webber wen they were teammates.

So think twice before comparing Lewis with Vettel.. Vettel is indeed the faster driver.

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Herb wrote:
SmoothRide wrote:
kleefton wrote:the soft tire is 0.6sec quicker, so even with the 9 sec gap that lewis had before the safety car came in, Nico could have closed the gap in the 17 or so laps that were left. 0.6sec*17 laps = 10sec.


There is no evidence of that 0.6s difference, at least when it comes to Merc cars. In the middle stint, Lewis was on softs and Nico on mediums. I don't know exactly how long that stint was, but it was about 20 laps. Lewis made up only 3.5 seconds during that time, which is slightly below 0.2s per lap.


3.5 seconds?

Lewis was only just ahead when he pitted the first time, and over 9 seconds when the safety car came out.


Lewis had two laps on fresh tires while Nico stayed out during which he made up 2.5-3 seconds per lap. The first lap they were both on fresh tires, Lewis had an even 6 seconds advantage. When SC came out, the difference was 9.5 seconds.

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F1yer wrote:
Azi wrote:
F1yer wrote:Vettel won because he was faster.. Simple.

No reason to be tiddled about it.


And today Lewis was faster. So why are you being so grumpy?


No he wasnt.. And i am grumpy exactly because a slower driver won simply because theteam chose a. Better strategy for him.


Actually he got beat in pace to a driver who was beaten by Webber wen they were teammates.

So think twice before comparing Lewis with Vettel.. Vettel is indeed the faster driver.


Vettel is that much faster he got beat by his team mate who started 3 positions further back than him

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