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Honest from Lewis, said Nico had a slight edge on him this weekend. Race craft won it for him.

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F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


Sigh. The call made sense! The safety car meant it became BY FAR the best strategy. You are seriously deluded. Whole new level deluded.

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Lewis said the gap was .6 seconds between the tyres

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lamo wrote:Honest from Lewis, said Nico had a slight edge on him this weekend. Race craft won it for him.


Team craft he means.

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F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Honest from Lewis, said Nico had a slight edge on him this weekend. Race craft won it for him.


Team craft he means.


You seem gutted Lewis won.

Always next GP.

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Drats, another two week wait for the next GP ;(

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lamo wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Honest from Lewis, said Nico had a slight edge on him this weekend. Race craft won it for him.


Team craft he means.


You seem gutted Lewis won.

Always next GP.


More that Vettel lost out and was overshadowed by his teammate. :lol:

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Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

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Ennis wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


Sigh. The call made sense! The safety car meant it became BY FAR the best strategy. You are seriously deluded. Whole new level deluded.



As you saw , it wasnt! So please step back from calling names..
No one decides on a strategy predicting a SC and on a track like Bahrain.

Best strategy for Nico would be to mirror Lewis so that he can fight him not for last 9 but the whole 40 odd laps and that wasnt allowed.
Thus disadvantaging him.. It was not a TO to stop fighting in so many words but it was effectively the same.

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F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Honest from Lewis, said Nico had a slight edge on him this weekend. Race craft won it for him.


Team craft he means.

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Merc pulled out a 24 second lead in 10 laps

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I feel sorry for those who constantly call for real racing and then can't see it when it slaps them in the face.

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Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Honest from Lewis, said Nico had a slight edge on him this weekend. Race craft won it for him.


Team craft he means.

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"That guy seems really tiddled off that I won."


Yeah I mm that the slower driver won... Its natural!

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adam_92 wrote:I feel sorry for those who constantly call for real racing and then can't see it when it slaps them in the face.


They want a Vettelesque win done by Vettel just like the last 9 races of last year. Cant believe i watched all except USA and Brazil. Japan was interesting though.

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Btw, this was the best birthday present ever to me, watching exciting racing instead of dozing off. And to top it off, glad my fave driver won it!

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I still fail how Rosberg did NOT have the best outcome in terms of strategy when taking the SC factor into play. Before the SC left the track to restart the race ill wager some 90% of viewers (including me) would have expected Rosberg to jump Hamilton. What we didn't anticipate is the determination and race craft from Hamilton.

Today a huge pschyologivl battle between Hamilton and Rosberg occurred. It was awfully visible Rosberg was tiddled off at being second fiddle to Hamilton in particular. Even yesterday when Rosberg took pole, the games began when he claimed he 'wasn't surprised he beat Hamilton'. I think Rosberg is doing his darndest to prove to everyone he will not be number 2 by default..

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deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup: :thumbup:

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adam_92 wrote:I feel sorry for those who constantly call for real racing and then can't see it when it slaps them in the face.


:thumbup:

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F1yer wrote:As you saw , it wasnt! So please step back from calling names..
No one decides on a strategy predicting a SC and on a track like Bahrain.

Best strategy for Nico would be to mirror Lewis so that he can fight him not for last 9 but the whole 40 odd laps and that wasnt allowed.
Thus disadvantaging him.. It was not a TO to stop fighting in so many words but it was effectively the same.


It really was. The problem was despite the poorer strategy, Hamilton managed to use track position to hang on. Quicker tyre, on your teammates backside - how can that be anything but advantage Rosberg?

So both cars on soft, Nico can't get past and make it stick. He's in dirty air if he tries to get close so he'd be eating up tyres more. Both cars on harder tyres, much the same.
You split, you have clean air on a harder tyre so you just keep close enough to push when you're on the quicker tyre.

Nico currently speaking of his disappointment due to being quicker but not being able to make it stick. That sums it up. He had pace, he had the advantage (a huge one with the safety car), but his teammates defending kept him out.

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Great race overall, so many fights between drivers at different spots around the track. These cars are much more driver's cars than in the recent past. The lower downforce/higher torque combo is really showing merit.

Battle between Nico and Lewis was quite epic. Nico got taken at the start, but he kept close to the leader and he was quicker at the end of the tire run. That was quite impressive. Lewis was a little bit better overall and holding Nico off on medium tires was clinical. The option tires were not much quicker, quite surprisingly. Lewis made up about 3.5 seconds over Nico over the middle stint, which was maybe 15 laps long. That would be a difference of only about 0.25 seconds per lap.

Great race for both Force India guys and pretty good for RBR. Ricciardo continues to look a little more comfortable with the car than Vettel.

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wolfie81 wrote:It was awfully visible Rosberg was tiddled off at being second fiddle to Hamilton in particular.

1) Obviously.

But more importantly:

2) He handles it awesomely. No driver wants to be second. But the two of them seem to genuinely love racing against each other.
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F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:

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Gutted.I watched the Liverpool game instead of the race.
Sounds like it was an eventful race.

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Ennis wrote:
F1yer wrote:As you saw , it wasnt! So please step back from calling names..
No one decides on a strategy predicting a SC and on a track like Bahrain.

Best strategy for Nico would be to mirror Lewis so that he can fight him not for last 9 but the whole 40 odd laps and that wasnt allowed.
Thus disadvantaging him.. It was not a TO to stop fighting in so many words but it was effectively the same.


It really was. The problem was despite the poorer strategy, Hamilton managed to use track position to hang on. Quicker tyre, on your teammates backside - how can that be anything but advantage Rosberg?

So both cars on soft, Nico can't get past and make it stick. He's in dirty air if he tries to get close so he'd be eating up tyres more. Both cars on harder tyres, much the same.
You split, you have clean air on a harder tyre so you just keep close enough to push when you're on the quicker tyre.

Nico currently speaking of his disappointment due to being quicker but not being able to make it stick. That sums it up. He had pace, he had the advantage (a huge one with the safety car), but his teammates defending kept him out.



Are you saying Lewis was the faster driver?

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wolfie81 wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup: :thumbup:

That'a how the team works, and Vettel was without word a part of it. Well, hats off to him for letting Ricciardo by.
The end is near

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deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup:

Closely followed by "Wow, what was that?" (Gútierrez).

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mikey wrote:Gutted.I watched the Liverpool game instead of the race.
Sounds like it was an eventful race.

It was - without any doubt - the best race of the season so far.

If the Merc boys stay this evenly matched, it would ease the 1.5 sec. advantage over the rest of the field. But there was even more great action all over the track

:thumbup:

Great race.
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shoot999 wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:


Thanks ... I am pleased


What i am surprised about is how everyone can simply ignore the massive strategy disadvantage Nico suffered and celebrate the win.

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F1yer wrote:
Ennis wrote:
F1yer wrote:As you saw , it wasnt! So please step back from calling names..
No one decides on a strategy predicting a SC and on a track like Bahrain.

Best strategy for Nico would be to mirror Lewis so that he can fight him not for last 9 but the whole 40 odd laps and that wasnt allowed.
Thus disadvantaging him.. It was not a TO to stop fighting in so many words but it was effectively the same.


It really was. The problem was despite the poorer strategy, Hamilton managed to use track position to hang on. Quicker tyre, on your teammates backside - how can that be anything but advantage Rosberg?

So both cars on soft, Nico can't get past and make it stick. He's in dirty air if he tries to get close so he'd be eating up tyres more. Both cars on harder tyres, much the same.
You split, you have clean air on a harder tyre so you just keep close enough to push when you're on the quicker tyre.

Nico currently speaking of his disappointment due to being quicker but not being able to make it stick. That sums it up. He had pace, he had the advantage (a huge one with the safety car), but his teammates defending kept him out.



Are you saying Lewis was the faster driver?

Why does that matter? There are plenty of times in F1 history where a "slower" driver has beaten a "quicker" one through excellent driving and defending (like Lewis did in the last 10 laps).
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F1yer wrote:
Ennis wrote:
F1yer wrote:As you saw , it wasnt! So please step back from calling names..
No one decides on a strategy predicting a SC and on a track like Bahrain.

Best strategy for Nico would be to mirror Lewis so that he can fight him not for last 9 but the whole 40 odd laps and that wasnt allowed.
Thus disadvantaging him.. It was not a TO to stop fighting in so many words but it was effectively the same.


It really was. The problem was despite the poorer strategy, Hamilton managed to use track position to hang on. Quicker tyre, on your teammates backside - how can that be anything but advantage Rosberg?

So both cars on soft, Nico can't get past and make it stick. He's in dirty air if he tries to get close so he'd be eating up tyres more. Both cars on harder tyres, much the same.
You split, you have clean air on a harder tyre so you just keep close enough to push when you're on the quicker tyre.

Nico currently speaking of his disappointment due to being quicker but not being able to make it stick. That sums it up. He had pace, he had the advantage (a huge one with the safety car), but his teammates defending kept him out.



Are you saying Lewis was the faster driver?


I'm going to repeat this part and see if you can figure it out:
Nico currently speaking of his disappointment due to being quicker but not being able to make it stick. That sums it up. He had pace, he had the advantage (a huge one with the safety car), but his teammates defending kept him out.

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RickM wrote:
wolfie81 wrote:It was awfully visible Rosberg was tiddled off at being second fiddle to Hamilton in particular.

1) Obviously.

But more importantly:

2) He handles it awesomely. No driver wants to be second. But the two of them seem to genuinely love racing against each other.


Definitely. Bloody amazing racing and even better attitudes. Very impressive! 2014 is epic!

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F1yer wrote:
shoot999 wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:


Thanks ... I am pleased


What i am surprised about is how everyone can simply ignore the massive strategy disadvantage Nico suffered and celebrate the win.

Didn't stop you gorging yourself on Vettels wins even though he received a massive advantage in all aspects. A guy you don't like won. Get over it.
If...

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F1yer wrote:
shoot999 wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:


Thanks ... I am pleased


What i am surprised about is how everyone can simply ignore the massive strategy disadvantage Nico suffered and celebrate the win.

You mean the disadvantage that put him right on the leader's gearbox with tyres that were half a second quicker than the guy in front's?

I'll have what he's smoking.
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Paolo_Lasardi wrote:
deepblue12 wrote:Best quote of the day to Vettel "Daniel is quicker than you"

:thumbup:

Closely followed by "Wow, what was that?" (Gútierrez).


For me Gutierrez has to be the quote of the day. Maldonado seldomly fails to disappoint ...

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F1yer wrote:
shoot999 wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:


Thanks ... I am pleased


What i am surprised about is how everyone can simply ignore the massive strategy disadvantage Nico suffered and celebrate the win.

Which 'massive strategy disadvantage' did Hamilton benefit from to beat Rosberg into the first corner?

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F1yer wrote:
shoot999 wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:


Thanks ... I am pleased


What i am surprised about is how everyone can simply ignore the massive strategy disadvantage Nico suffered and celebrate the win.

The strategy levelled out with the safety car.

Both on fresh tyres, Hamilton with track position, Rosberg with quicker tyres. Rosberg pulled some great moves, Hamilton did some great defending.

The thing that I would say helped Lewis was the lack of DRS for the first 2 laps following the safety car, but then without the safety car Lewis had a near 10 second advantage anyway so it all levels out really.

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Pedrosa_4_Ever wrote:
F1yer wrote:
Ennis wrote:
F1yer wrote:As you saw , it wasnt! So please step back from calling names..
No one decides on a strategy predicting a SC and on a track like Bahrain.

Best strategy for Nico would be to mirror Lewis so that he can fight him not for last 9 but the whole 40 odd laps and that wasnt allowed.
Thus disadvantaging him.. It was not a TO to stop fighting in so many words but it was effectively the same.


It really was. The problem was despite the poorer strategy, Hamilton managed to use track position to hang on. Quicker tyre, on your teammates backside - how can that be anything but advantage Rosberg?

So both cars on soft, Nico can't get past and make it stick. He's in dirty air if he tries to get close so he'd be eating up tyres more. Both cars on harder tyres, much the same.
You split, you have clean air on a harder tyre so you just keep close enough to push when you're on the quicker tyre.

Nico currently speaking of his disappointment due to being quicker but not being able to make it stick. That sums it up. He had pace, he had the advantage (a huge one with the safety car), but his teammates defending kept him out.



Are you saying Lewis was the faster driver?

Why does that matter? There are plenty of times in F1 history where a "slower" driver has beaten a "quicker" one through excellent driving and defending (like Lewis did in the last 10 laps).


It wouldnt matter except Nico was put on a different strategy just so that they wouldnt be clse on track

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F1yer wrote:
It wouldnt matter except Nico was put on a different strategy just so that they wouldnt be clse on track


A temporary measure not impacting how quickly he could get to the finish line. A point you're missing. Along with the fact that it turned out being by far the best strategy.

EDIT - to add, Nico's tyres overheating towards the end highlights the problem with putting them both on softs on the 2nd stint. He'd have ate them up battling in the dirty air and turned out having more of a disadvantage as he'd need to pit first and he'd experience drop off first. That strategy was the logical call.
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PzR Slim wrote:
F1yer wrote:
shoot999 wrote:
F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Nicos side of the garage chose that strategy according to Toto. Worth the gamble when there is a 50% chance of SC at this track. With a SC Nicos becomes by far the best strategy.



You would be naive to believe that.
When you are only one option then It's not really an option.


I wondered what could top this race; but your posts are coming close. :lol:


Thanks ... I am pleased


What i am surprised about is how everyone can simply ignore the massive strategy disadvantage Nico suffered and celebrate the win.

Didn't stop you gorging yourself on Vettels wins even though he received a massive advantage in all aspects. A guy you don't like won. Get over it.


Vettel won because he was faster.. Simple.

No reason to be tiddled about it.

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F1yer wrote:
lamo wrote:Honest from Lewis, said Nico had a slight edge on him this weekend. Race craft won it for him.


Team craft he means.



Paddy Lowe confirmed that they were allowed to race from "lights to flag".
Toto confirmed that they were allowed to race and Lauda said it as well.

Stop making up nonsense! And stop trying to deceive people on this forum.

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