How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

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Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

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Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:56 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:17 am
Hamilton saying hes reviewed the incident and wouldnt change a single thing about his approach. I read it as, if i went back in time id do the same again.
If he intends to keep breaking the rules I hope the stewards will have a word with him. Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating after all.
Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:56 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:17 am
Hamilton saying hes reviewed the incident and wouldnt change a single thing about his approach. I read it as, if i went back in time id do the same again.
If he intends to keep breaking the rules I hope the stewards will have a word with him. Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating after all.
Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact

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Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

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Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:56 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:17 am
Hamilton saying hes reviewed the incident and wouldnt change a single thing about his approach. I read it as, if i went back in time id do the same again.
If he intends to keep breaking the rules I hope the stewards will have a word with him. Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating after all.
Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.

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Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:56 am


If he intends to keep breaking the rules I hope the stewards will have a word with him. Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating after all.
Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
Yes i agree i find it just as likely max could be at fault in the future

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Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

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Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:48 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am


Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
Yes i agree i find it just as likely max could be at fault in the future
I think Max has been better than Hamilton in recent history of staying on the right side of legal.

That might change though as I think Verstappen will be less inclined to give Hamilton space going forward.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:57 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:48 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am


Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
Yes i agree i find it just as likely max could be at fault in the future
I think Max has been better than Hamilton in recent history of staying on the right side of legal.

That might change though as I think Verstappen will be less inclined to give Hamilton space going forward.
If anyone gives space more than not its Hamilton on Verstappen.

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Clarky wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:59 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:57 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:48 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am


I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
Yes i agree i find it just as likely max could be at fault in the future
I think Max has been better than Hamilton in recent history of staying on the right side of legal.

That might change though as I think Verstappen will be less inclined to give Hamilton space going forward.
If anyone gives space more than not its Hamilton on Verstappen.
Verstappen doesn't usually give space to Hamilton and generally ends up gaining/holding position.

In Silverstone he did give space and was taken out whilst Hamilton went on to win.

I think Verstappen will view the giving of space as a mistake.

I don't think that's the right thing for Verstappen to do in terms of winning the championship but we shall see.

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Re: How will Max and Lewis race each other for the rest of the season?

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:56 am


If he intends to keep breaking the rules I hope the stewards will have a word with him. Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating after all.
Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.

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Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:03 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am


Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.
The stewards disagree with you

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Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:03 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am


Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.
If the rules include Thou-shalt-not-cause-an-avoidable-collision, it's not false.
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Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:03 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am


Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.
It's not. As judged by the people applying the rules.

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tootsie323 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:38 pm
Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:03 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am


Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.
If the rules include Thou-shalt-not-cause-an-avoidable-collision, it's not false.
Semantics aside if the two were not title contenders it would have been shoved off a racing incident ala grosjean and sainz or Verstappen and Stroll.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:03 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am


Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.
It's not. As judged by the people applying the rules.
Their interpretation, but this sets a precedent going forward.

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Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:04 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:03 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am


I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.
It's not. As judged by the people applying the rules.
Their interpretation, but this sets a precedent going forward.
They judge that Hamilton broke the rules and I agree.

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Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:04 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:08 pm
Rockie wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:03 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am


I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He broke no rules, you keep repeating this and it is false.
It's not. As judged by the people applying the rules.
Their interpretation, but this sets a precedent going forward.
It's just quite laughable

You make the statement that Hamilton broke no rules

Then, upon being reminded that stewards (who are of the most knowledgable of driving standards and ethics, and the ultimate ruling body) deemed he had broken the rules, that stewards have only an 'interpretation' of such rules
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Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:33 pm
... that stewards have only an 'interpretation' of such rules ...
That's precisely what the stewards do: interpret the rules. Their interpretation carries weight, much like a ruling from a court, but it is an interpretation. They don't write the rules.
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Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:07 pm
Schumacher forever#1 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:33 pm
... that stewards have only an 'interpretation' of such rules ...
That's precisely what the stewards do: interpret the rules. Their interpretation carries weight, much like a ruling from a court, but it is an interpretation. They don't write the rules.
I agree, I was mainly pointing out the irony in the statement vs interpretation.

I myself have certainly strongly disagreed with stewards' decisions in the past, one such being Verstappen's move on Leclerc in Austria 2019.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:27 am
Yeboah24 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:15 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:50 am
Exediron wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:11 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:56 am


If he intends to keep breaking the rules I hope the stewards will have a word with him. Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating after all.
Did he break the rules, though? He made a mistake, but I don't think he broke any rules aside from the result of the mistake. I think Hamilton is saying he'd go for the move again given the same chance, and just hope to do it better next time.
Fair point. He needs to clean up in that case or he'll start running out of licence points.
I think its just hamilton following through and ensuring max understands hell continue to be as aggressive and isnt going to change just because there was contact
Sure, but he broke the rules. He can't keep the same approach if he keeps getting penalties.
He surely can keep the same approach. If he and Verstappen do, then there's the potential for plenty more incidents. Of course, in keeping such an approach they have to make sure they execute really well. After all, I don't think it's Hamilton's approach which was wrong, but his execution. And I wasn't impressed by Max's execution nor decision-making either.

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Little surprised what Hamilton did today in qualifying second run. Not sure it was needed though. I think this is going to continue throughout the end. I also think the so called Number 2 drivers will have a role to play and that also includes to compromise number1 driver of the other team :?
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How will they race? Rather slowly, it would appear, on today's evidence.
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