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Lyloff 20 seconds off the pole pace in Danish F4! Yikes.
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Hamda Al Qubaisi (Prema, 1m34.124s) recorded the 4th fastest time on day one of the Italian F4 test at Vallelunga. Maya Weug was absent.

Joshua Duerksen (Mucke,1m33.913s) was fastest.

Brano Badoer, son of former F1 driver Luca Badoer, made his debut in cars, achieving 12th fastest.

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Formula Nordic (national level Formula Renault 1.6 )have 16yr old Emma Wigroth on the entry list.
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Hamda Al Qubaisi (Prema, 1m34.161s) and Maya Weug (Iron Lynx, 1m34.317s) recorded the 7th & 16th fastest times on day two of the Italian F4 test at Vallelunga.

Charlie Wurz (Prema,1m33.744s) was fastest.

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Somewhat off topic but this deserves a shout out, Ana Carrasco, the first ever woman to win an FIM sanctioned international series when becoming 2018 World Superbike 300 champion won her first race since returning from last season's mobility threatening injury at Misano this weekend. She broke her back in two places in a 2020 testing crash, had multiple operations, took 5 months of intensive physical therapy before returning to the track in February.

In race 2 at Misano she was part of a 16 rider lead group that were constantly changing positions, having run as high as 5th she was running 8th at the start of the penultimate lap. Aided by two riders falling off ahead of her she passed 5 bikes on the last lap to win.

Having watched the, admittedly awefully edited highlights, I cannot believe how insane these riders are but more importantly how incredibly brave she was to be mixing it with these nutters and then to come out on top... just unbelievable!

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Never heard of her, but she sounds promising! Hopefully she can get the funding to make it further up the motorbike ladder.
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I wouldn't say she's off topic at all. I'm impressed with her story, even more so for her comeback than her breaking of the glass ceiling. Remarkable achievements across the board really.
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Lena Buhler (R-ace, 1m34.358s) qualified 31st (of 33) for race 1 of the FRECA round at Zandvoort.

Gregoire Saucy (ART, 1m30.973s) secured pole, again, this time by 0.4s.

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Esmee Hawkey (Lamborghini, 1'47.262) & Sophia Floersch (Audi, 1'48.087) qualified 12th & 19th for the first race of the first round of the new look GT3 formula DTM at Monza. Vincent Abril (Mercedes, 1'46.488) secured pole.

In the rae Hawkey & Floersch finished 15th & 16th.

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Vivien Keszthelyi (Motopark, 2m12.557s) qualified 12th & last for the Euroformula Spa round race 1.

Louis Foster (CryptoTower, 2m10.295s) was fastest.

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Lena Buhler (R-ace) finished 24th, some 19s behind race winner Gregoire Saucy (ART) in FRECA's Spa round race 1.

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Megan Gilkes (KMR) finished 8th in race of the National FF1600 series at Silverstone, she crossed the line at the back of the first 8 cars all covered by just 4s.

The race was won by Max Esterson

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JuJu Noda was disqualified after crossing the line first in race 1 of the Danish F4 championship at Padborg Park. A last lap collision with Emerson Fiitipaldi Jnr which saw him spin into the gravel resulting in her exclusion. Race 2, run in wet conditions, saw her finish 6th and race 3 resulted in another collision which removed her front wing and finish 11th. Noda set fastest lap in both race 1 & 2.

Line Sonderskov, Millie Hoe & Laura Lylloff fiished 6th, 7th &10th in race 1. Hoe was 10th in race 2 while Sonderskov retired and Lylloff didn't start. Race 3 saw Sonderskov, Millie Hoe & Lylloff finish 7th, 8th & 12th respectively.

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Lena Buhler (R-ace) finished 30th, some 62s behind race winner in FRECA's Spa round race 2.

Gregoire Saucy (ART) won again, his 6th race win from 8 starts this season, he now leads the championship with 160pts, 64 ahead of 2nd place Hadrien David.

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Vivien Keszthelyi (Motopark) finished 8th, 10th & 10th respectively in Euroformula Spa round races 1, 2 & 3.

Louis Foster (CryptoTower) won all 3, the latter after a remarkable recovery drive having stalled on the grid and got away last.

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Megan Gilkes (KMR) finished 10th in race 2 and retired from race 3 of the National FF1600 series at Silverstone.

Race 2 was won by Chris Middlehurst (Dolan) & race 3 by Max Esterson (Low Dempsey).

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Sophia Floersch (Audi) & Esmee Hawkey (Lamborghini) 16th & 17th in the second race of the first round of the new look GT3 formula DTM at Monza.

The race was won by Kelvin van der Linde (Audi).

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Battle Far wrote:
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JuJu Noda was disqualified after crossing the line first in race 1 of the Danish F4 championship at Padborg Park. A last lap collision with Emerson Fiitipaldi Jnr which saw him spin into the gravel resulting in her exclusion. Race 2, run in wet conditions, saw her finish 6th and race 3 resulted in another collision which removed her front wing and finish 11th. Noda set fastest lap in both race 1 & 2.

Line Sonderskov, Millie Hoe & Laura Lylloff fiished 6th, 7th &10th in race 1. Hoe was 10th in race 2 while Sonderskov retired and Lylloff didn't start. Race 3 saw Sonderskov, Millie Hoe & Lylloff finish 7th, 8th & 12th respectively.
Here's the incident that got the disqualification. The F1 drivers are certainly lucky these are not the stewards judging them... (I watched the clip muted, so I don't know if there is bad language between the dads for anyone watching at work)

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Looked like a Ricciardo divebomb to me, and he certainly was never disqualified.

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It was a VERY late turn-in by Fittipaldi, at that point he'd already lost the position in spite of Noda's mistake.
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My read on that collision is that it's a rather inept racing incident on the part of both drivers, but certainly not deserving of a penalty as harsh as a DSQ for Noda.

She doesn't execute the dive very well; she locks up and goes straight, essentially just blocking Fittipaldi from taking the corner. However, I can't ignore the fact that he takes one bite at the turn-in and aborts, then takes a second bite and hits her. To me, that makes the actual contact his fault.

Clumsy incident all around.
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My read on that collision is that it's a rather inept racing incident on the part of both drivers, but certainly not deserving of a penalty as harsh as a DSQ for Noda.

She doesn't execute the dive very well; she locks up and goes straight, essentially just blocking Fittipaldi from taking the corner. However, I can't ignore the fact that he takes one bite at the turn-in and aborts, then takes a second bite and hits her. To me, that makes the actual contact his fault.

Clumsy incident all around.
Exactly, this almost looked like a professional foul in football - the collision had been avoided and he then realised there wouldn't be a penalty without contact, so he made the contact, but did it too hard and put himself out.

Noda was apparently on his tail the whole race so a repass would be impossible.

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Looked like a Ricciardo divebomb to me, and he certainly was never disqualified.
It was nothing like a Ricciardo dive bomb. Dan was always in control, left the other driver plenty of space and made the corner. If anything this reminds me of Austria 2016, expect it wasn’t done deliberately.

As for the second turn in, it’s impossible to say from just that angle but he could either have been trying to cut under (he only just clipped her rear tyre) or, like Lewis in Austria, was running out of road and decided he had to turn in at some point or get run clean off the track. I suspect it’s the former, from that angle. Don’t forget when someone locks their brakes that severely, their rate of deceleration is going to be unpredictable and anything but linear. It’s quite possible he misjudged the erratic movement of her car in that moment.

A shame she didn’t get the win but she has to take the lion’s share of the blame for that one.
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Banana Man wrote:
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Covalent wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:30 pm
Looked like a Ricciardo divebomb to me, and he certainly was never disqualified.
It was nothing like a Ricciardo dive bomb. Dan was always in control, left the other driver plenty of space and made the corner. If anything this reminds me of Austria 2016, expect it wasn’t done deliberately.

As for the second turn in, it’s impossible to say from just that angle but he could either have been trying to cut under (he only just clipped her rear tyre) or, like Lewis in Austria, was running out of road and decided he had to turn in at some point or get run clean off the track. I suspect it’s the former, from that angle. Don’t forget when someone locks their brakes that severely, their rate of deceleration is going to be unpredictable and anything but linear. It’s quite possible he misjudged the erratic movement of her car in that moment.

A shame she didn’t get the win but she has to take the lion’s share of the blame for that one.
For sure, the incident started out as her fault. And maybe you are right about the second turn in and it is 100% her fault. But in what universe is locking up a disqualification? Vettel only got a stop and go for deliberately ramming Hamilton behind the safety car. Disqualifications are pretty much reserved for dangerous and unsporting incidents, or technical infringements, this was none of those. It should have been time penalty, if it the incident was judged to be her fault.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:20 pm
Banana Man wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:10 pm
Covalent wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:30 pm
Looked like a Ricciardo divebomb to me, and he certainly was never disqualified.
It was nothing like a Ricciardo dive bomb. Dan was always in control, left the other driver plenty of space and made the corner. If anything this reminds me of Austria 2016, expect it wasn’t done deliberately.

As for the second turn in, it’s impossible to say from just that angle but he could either have been trying to cut under (he only just clipped her rear tyre) or, like Lewis in Austria, was running out of road and decided he had to turn in at some point or get run clean off the track. I suspect it’s the former, from that angle. Don’t forget when someone locks their brakes that severely, their rate of deceleration is going to be unpredictable and anything but linear. It’s quite possible he misjudged the erratic movement of her car in that moment.

A shame she didn’t get the win but she has to take the lion’s share of the blame for that one.
For sure, the incident started out as her fault. And maybe you are right about the second turn in and it is 100% her fault. But in what universe is locking up a disqualification? Vettel only got a stop and go for deliberately ramming Hamilton behind the safety car. Disqualifications are pretty much reserved for dangerous and unsporting incidents, or technical infringements, this was none of those. It should have been time penalty, if it the incident was judged to be her fault.
I don’t disagree, being DSQ seems incredibly harsh.
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As for the second turn in, it’s impossible to say from just that angle but he could either have been trying to cut under (he only just clipped her rear tyre) or, like Lewis in Austria, was running out of road and decided he had to turn in at some point or get run clean off the track. I suspect it’s the former, from that angle. Don’t forget when someone locks their brakes that severely, their rate of deceleration is going to be unpredictable and anything but linear. It’s quite possible he misjudged the erratic movement of her car in that moment.

A shame she didn’t get the win but she has to take the lion’s share of the blame for that one.
That's possible, but I still see the collision as being his fault even if so. If he tried to execute a switchback maneuver on the driver who just dived him and he ran into her instead, that's his fault.
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Vettel only got a stop and go for deliberately ramming Hamilton behind the safety car. Disqualifications are pretty much reserved for dangerous and unsporting incidents, or technical infringements, this was none of those.
That was one of the most outrageously bad stewarding decisions in modern F1. Vettel should have had a black flag and a race ban.
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Banana Man wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:10 pm
Covalent wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:30 pm
Looked like a Ricciardo divebomb to me, and he certainly was never disqualified.
It was nothing like a Ricciardo dive bomb. Dan was always in control, left the other driver plenty of space and made the corner. If anything this reminds me of Austria 2016, expect it wasn’t done deliberately.

As for the second turn in, it’s impossible to say from just that angle but he could either have been trying to cut under (he only just clipped her rear tyre) or, like Lewis in Austria, was running out of road and decided he had to turn in at some point or get run clean off the track. I suspect it’s the former, from that angle. Don’t forget when someone locks their brakes that severely, their rate of deceleration is going to be unpredictable and anything but linear. It’s quite possible he misjudged the erratic movement of her car in that moment.

A shame she didn’t get the win but she has to take the lion’s share of the blame for that one.
How is it nothing like a Ricciardo dive bomb? There must be better examples but Hungary 2015 springs to mind where he does the exact same thing to Rosberg, ie locks his brakes and goes straight to the outside of the corner and leaves the other driver no other choice than go off or get passed.

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Covalent wrote:
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:39 am
Banana Man wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:10 pm
Covalent wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:30 pm
Looked like a Ricciardo divebomb to me, and he certainly was never disqualified.
It was nothing like a Ricciardo dive bomb. Dan was always in control, left the other driver plenty of space and made the corner. If anything this reminds me of Austria 2016, expect it wasn’t done deliberately.

As for the second turn in, it’s impossible to say from just that angle but he could either have been trying to cut under (he only just clipped her rear tyre) or, like Lewis in Austria, was running out of road and decided he had to turn in at some point or get run clean off the track. I suspect it’s the former, from that angle. Don’t forget when someone locks their brakes that severely, their rate of deceleration is going to be unpredictable and anything but linear. It’s quite possible he misjudged the erratic movement of her car in that moment.

A shame she didn’t get the win but she has to take the lion’s share of the blame for that one.
How is it nothing like a Ricciardo dive bomb? There must be better examples but Hungary 2015 springs to mind where he does the exact same thing to Rosberg, ie locks his brakes and goes straight to the outside of the corner and leaves the other driver no other choice than go off or get passed.
If you think that was the same as a Ricciardo dive bomb then I can’t help I’m afraid. Most of his overtakes were late, firm braking moves, where he was fully in control and the other car didn’t have to swerve out the way. Yes, I’m sure you can find a couple of examples where he overcooked it but it won’t excuse what Noda did. She was fully locked up and skidded straight on.
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My read on that collision is that it's a rather inept racing incident on the part of both drivers, but certainly not deserving of a penalty as harsh as a DSQ for Noda.

She doesn't execute the dive very well; she locks up and goes straight, essentially just blocking Fittipaldi from taking the corner. However, I can't ignore the fact that he takes one bite at the turn-in and aborts, then takes a second bite and hits her. To me, that makes the actual contact his fault.

Clumsy incident all around.
Same. I haven't watched the full race but maybe she was frustrated and went for a move that was never really on. Anyway clearly her mistake. Fittipaldi did nothing wrong other than by the looks of it misjudge the cut back. When you see someone coming through like that, to be fair there are two steering actions - one to abort your initial entry and let them through and then the second back in to make the corner once they are past. I think he just made that 2nd move to quickly.
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Anyone watched any of the W Series Driven episodes. I've watched them all. They're well made and offer a bit more insight but there's still not enough "racing driver talk" in it. The most interesting comments are from Dave Ryan offering his years of experience to assess the driving and pass some very honest judgement.
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Anyone watched any of the W Series Driven episodes. I've watched them all. They're well made and offer a bit more insight but there's still not enough "racing driver talk" in it. The most interesting comments are from Dave Ryan offering his years of experience to assess the driving and pass some very honest judgement.
I have not, in fact. Do you know if it's available on demand in the USA?
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Exediron wrote:
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Anyone watched any of the W Series Driven episodes. I've watched them all. They're well made and offer a bit more insight but there's still not enough "racing driver talk" in it. The most interesting comments are from Dave Ryan offering his years of experience to assess the driving and pass some very honest judgement.
I have not, in fact. Do you know if it's available on demand in the USA?
unless you can find a sneaky way to watch UK Channel 4 then no, not yet, but their site says

"It will be available to watch outside the UK soon after" (we got it on 20th June). Sabre Cook and Shea Holbrook feature a fair bit but I'd be surprised if it doesn't get to the US.

Definitely worth a watch if you follow the series, particularly to get an insight as to how the series was run and the drivers were managed.
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Anyone watched any of the W Series Driven episodes. I've watched them all. They're well made and offer a bit more insight but there's still not enough "racing driver talk" in it. The most interesting comments are from Dave Ryan offering his years of experience to assess the driving and pass some very honest judgement.
I have not, in fact. Do you know if it's available on demand in the USA?
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My read on that collision is that it's a rather inept racing incident on the part of both drivers, but certainly not deserving of a penalty as harsh as a DSQ for Noda...
Stroll passed Ricciardo in Austria last year (Styrian GP) by pretty much running them both off circuit and, as far as I recall, didn't even get a penalty for it. Under what circumstance does this warrant a DQ?
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tootsie323 wrote:
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My read on that collision is that it's a rather inept racing incident on the part of both drivers, but certainly not deserving of a penalty as harsh as a DSQ for Noda...
Stroll passed Ricciardo in Austria last year (Styrian GP) by pretty much running them both off circuit and, as far as I recall, didn't even get a penalty for it. Under what circumstance does this warrant a DQ?
None?

I don't think a disqualification is merited for any ordinary racing incident. In my view, a DSQ should be for something genuinely dire, such as intentionally hitting another driver at speed. It should not be given for a simple botched overtake.

I think Stroll should have had to give the place back to Ricciardo. For Noda, I have less context -- but if there was time remaining, yielding the position unfairly gained is my preferred solution to unfair overtakes.
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It was a clumsy move and she locked the brakes, so even with Fittipaldi sawing a bit I would say the contact is ultimately Noda's fault -- but a DSQ is bizarrely harsh. Giving the place back seems like the standard thing, or a time penalty, depending on how late in the race it was and all. It certainly didn't look like Noda deliberately ran into Fittipaldi, which is the only thing I could see warranting a DSQ.

(I also had the sound muted, so I may have missed something.)
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Having seen that I have to say I'm disgusted with the decision, last year Noda was taken out 3 times by different male drivers, twice while leading. In the recent Italian F4 race Al Qubaisi was taken out by three different male drivers in all 3 races. In other races the intimidatory tactics employed by male drivers against females are wholly transparent.

There is clearly a culture of driving far more agressively against females, probably something to with 'small dyck syndrome'

It's almost as if there's a Dad on the side of the ̶p̶i̶t̶c̶h̶ track screaming at his child "you can't be beaten by a woman".

Female drivers need protection from the stewards not punishment, shame on them for being just as prejudiced as those on track.

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Battle Far wrote:
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Having seen that I have to say I'm disgusted with the decision, last year Noda was taken out 3 times by different male drivers, twice while leading. In the recent Italian F4 race Al Qubaisi was taken out by three different male drivers in all 3 races. In other races the intimidatory tactics employed by male drivers against females are wholly transparent.

There is clearly a culture of driving far more agressively against females, probably something to with 'small dyck syndrome'

It's almost as if there's a Dad on the side of the ̶p̶i̶t̶c̶h̶ track screaming at his child "you can't be beaten by a woman".

Female drivers need protection from the stewards not punishment, shame on them for being just as prejudiced as those on track.
I was a bit reluctant to say what I was thinking but that sums up my thoughts pretty well. Reading posts about female drivers being bundled off with apparently no sanction to the perpetrators then reading about a female bundling someone off and being DQ'd.
It does smell a bit of some form of bias.
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Re: Female Racing Drivers

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tootsie323 wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:24 am
Battle Far wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:01 pm
Having seen that I have to say I'm disgusted with the decision, last year Noda was taken out 3 times by different male drivers, twice while leading. In the recent Italian F4 race Al Qubaisi was taken out by three different male drivers in all 3 races. In other races the intimidatory tactics employed by male drivers against females are wholly transparent.

There is clearly a culture of driving far more agressively against females, probably something to with 'small dyck syndrome'

It's almost as if there's a Dad on the side of the ̶p̶i̶t̶c̶h̶ track screaming at his child "you can't be beaten by a woman".

Female drivers need protection from the stewards not punishment, shame on them for being just as prejudiced as those on track.
I was a bit reluctant to say what I was thinking but that sums up my thoughts pretty well. Reading posts about female drivers being bundled off with apparently no sanction to the perpetrators then reading about a female bundling someone off and being DQ'd.
It does smell a bit of some form of bias.
Also, the fact that Emerson Fittipaldi was clearly kicking up a stink about it would probably also have a huge influence over the decision. While Noda's father is also ex F1, his name carries barely a fraction of the weight of a 2x WDC.

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