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Supposedly, that fastest time of Checo was done on hards.
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Siao7 wrote:
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Slightly strange in FP1 so far. Red Bull much quicker than Merc on the hards but Merc found so much more time on the softs than Red Bull and are now 0.4 clear. Probably can’t read much into it other than that they’re both well clear than the rest.
Bottas on top on the hard at the moment:

1. Valtteri Bottas - 1:33.448 (current tyre: hard)

2. Lewis Hamilton - 1:33.783 (soft)

3. Max Verstappen - 1:33.880 (soft)

4. Sergio Perez - 1:34.193 (soft)

5. Daniel Ricciardo- 1:34.644 (soft)

Edit to add that it probably means that he did that time on the soft I guess but currently on the hard?
Yeah Bottas did that time on the soft. I think Perez’s fastest time was on the hards.

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UnlikeUday wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:42 am
FP1 done:

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Supposedly, that fastest time of Checo was done on hards.
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If chassis swapping is what I think it is, Bottas is in first place in what was Hamilton's car.
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Surprised by how quick the Alpine's look (relatively speaking) - hopefully they can also be in the mix for the best of the rest fight.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:17 am
Covalent wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:13 am
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:58 am
Siao7 wrote:
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What I’m confused about is why they’re swapping if it’s about mileage? Surely they’ll both do similar mileage this weekend so the swap doesn’t make sense.
I know, it is the weirdest explanation I've read in a while. Hamilton is a sure bet, that's fine, but it is like saying that one driver will definitely do less mileage? And it was planned? Do they always swap chassis in 1/3 of the year?
I don't understand what the confusion is. Presumably the team want the drivers to get an equal mileage in chassis, to avoid calls of favouritism over one driver getting 'the better chassis' - like Patrese accused Mansell of having at Williams.
A Mercedes spokesperson confirmed the change had been made in order to ensure their available chassis complete similar mileages.
So assuming Bottas' chassis has completed less mileage than Hamilton's, how exactly does the swap help even out the mileage, if not by assuming Bottas will complete less miles?
That still reads to me with an implied "with each driver", even without the decades old context of drivers in F1 bellyaching about how unfair it they got the slower chassis.
I wonder if it's an accumulation average, did Bottas not get a new chassis after the Imola crash so he's had that advantage since, now he must use Hamilton's old chassis.
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If chassis swapping is what I think it is, Bottas is in first place in what was Hamilton's car.
I’m yet to be convinced this has had any effect but Hamilton wasn’t particularly happy with his car earlier in FP2.

Merc’s seemingly don’t like the softs but seem faster on the mediums, which I think was a pattern earlier in the season.

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As close as it gets at the top!

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pokerman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:11 pm
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:17 am
Covalent wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:13 am
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:58 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:15 am


I know, it is the weirdest explanation I've read in a while. Hamilton is a sure bet, that's fine, but it is like saying that one driver will definitely do less mileage? And it was planned? Do they always swap chassis in 1/3 of the year?
I don't understand what the confusion is. Presumably the team want the drivers to get an equal mileage in chassis, to avoid calls of favouritism over one driver getting 'the better chassis' - like Patrese accused Mansell of having at Williams.
A Mercedes spokesperson confirmed the change had been made in order to ensure their available chassis complete similar mileages.
So assuming Bottas' chassis has completed less mileage than Hamilton's, how exactly does the swap help even out the mileage, if not by assuming Bottas will complete less miles?
That still reads to me with an implied "with each driver", even without the decades old context of drivers in F1 bellyaching about how unfair it they got the slower chassis.
I wonder if it's an accumulation average, did Bottas not get a new chassis after the Imola crash so he's had that advantage since, now he must use Hamilton's old chassis.
New chassis doesn't mean better chassis.
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Harpo wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:43 pm
pokerman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:11 pm
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:17 am
Covalent wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:13 am
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:58 am

I don't understand what the confusion is. Presumably the team want the drivers to get an equal mileage in chassis, to avoid calls of favouritism over one driver getting 'the better chassis' - like Patrese accused Mansell of having at Williams.
A Mercedes spokesperson confirmed the change had been made in order to ensure their available chassis complete similar mileages.
So assuming Bottas' chassis has completed less mileage than Hamilton's, how exactly does the swap help even out the mileage, if not by assuming Bottas will complete less miles?
That still reads to me with an implied "with each driver", even without the decades old context of drivers in F1 bellyaching about how unfair it they got the slower chassis.
I wonder if it's an accumulation average, did Bottas not get a new chassis after the Imola crash so he's had that advantage since, now he must use Hamilton's old chassis.
New chassis doesn't mean better chassis.
Chassis age and start to lose their stiffness, if not got this why would they have done what they've done in the first place?
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pokerman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:11 pm
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:17 am
Covalent wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:13 am
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:58 am
Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:15 am


I know, it is the weirdest explanation I've read in a while. Hamilton is a sure bet, that's fine, but it is like saying that one driver will definitely do less mileage? And it was planned? Do they always swap chassis in 1/3 of the year?
I don't understand what the confusion is. Presumably the team want the drivers to get an equal mileage in chassis, to avoid calls of favouritism over one driver getting 'the better chassis' - like Patrese accused Mansell of having at Williams.
A Mercedes spokesperson confirmed the change had been made in order to ensure their available chassis complete similar mileages.
So assuming Bottas' chassis has completed less mileage than Hamilton's, how exactly does the swap help even out the mileage, if not by assuming Bottas will complete less miles?
That still reads to me with an implied "with each driver", even without the decades old context of drivers in F1 bellyaching about how unfair it they got the slower chassis.
I wonder if it's an accumulation average, did Bottas not get a new chassis after the Imola crash so he's had that advantage since, now he must use Hamilton's old chassis.
That only makes sense if they think Bottas is going to retire more than Hamilton, which would be an absurd prediction to make.

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Of course they age... But what I meant is that it's not because Bottas' chassis was new that it was as good as Hamilton's old one or Bottas' previous one when they were "new". Though the building processes have reached an amazing level, 2 chassis are never perfect twins.
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Not sure what to make of FP2, which typically gives us a good indication on how the drivers and cars are set for the race. Max was faster, but that fast lap was as perfect as you can get. Meanwhile, on LH's fast lap he rode the kerbs, which may have cost him some time.

I would actually favor Max and Red Bull to take pole and maybe even win the race. Looks like they did some improvements after Spain, and Max is driving out of his mind this year. Definitely much better than LH.

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Siao7 wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:50 am
UnlikeUday wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:42 am
FP1 done:

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Supposedly, that fastest time of Checo was done on hards.
Wow Mazepin!
He is matched with his team mate in FP2 as well.

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Despite the protests by some teams, the Yellow sausage kerbs won't be removed.
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When it came to long runs, Max & Bottas' laps averaged at 1:37:xxx secs whereas Hamilton & Perez's at 1:38:xxx secs.
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A thrilling start to FP3.

This is the biggest argument for the cut in practice times they did this year.

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Wonder if horner wished crofty a happy birthday through gritted teeth. You can tell virtually all the time horner speaks to him that he dislikes him, especially when he makes his stupid remarks suggesting what strategies red bull should do. I loved it when horner told him to stick to his job on that occasion :D

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Well, 2 things to look at now. Either Bottas can be defended somewhat in Baku, or Hamilton is struggling now in a similar way.

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Looks like another weekend where hamilton cant get on top of the car

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So Mercedes have come out and said that they didn't give Bottas a car to be competitive in Baku and then they give that car to Hamilton and now he's struggling to match Bottas, that's got to raise an eyebrow or two.
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So Mercedes have come out and said that they didn't give Bottas a car to be competitive in Baku and then they give that car to Hamilton and now he's struggling to match Bottas, that's got to raise an eyebrow or two.
Pretty sure they meant setup rather than there being anything fundamentally wrong with the chassis.

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Well, 2 things to look at now. Either Bottas can be defended somewhat in Baku, or Hamilton is struggling now in a similar way.
Hamilton's struggling but we know he can. Look at Monaco.

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I think verstappen certainly deserves to get a strong chance of winning here to make up for he bad luck. He should be around 20 points ahead in the standings at the moment.

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sky have a very conflicting view on Sainz. Chandhok rightly points out that he is having many problems with judging the breaks correctly and has locked up multiple times this year and gone off quite a few times too. Then Lazenby clearly implies he's been top notch every race and those with him seem to agree. As I said, Chandhok (and crofty) literally said about 20 minutes ago that he messed up big time in Baku.

The team seem to have been watching a different driver.

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TheGiantHogweed wrote:
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Well, 2 things to look at now. Either Bottas can be defended somewhat in Baku, or Hamilton is struggling now in a similar way.
Hold fire, we’ve just had practise. Let’s see if Hamilton is fighting for P10-P12 come race day.

But this Mercedes does seem a diva like the early season 2017 car. They need both cars performing or both titles will gone by mid season

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I'm curious if the chassis Hamilton is running is compromised or if it's a coincidence. If its the latter, we could be witnessing the change of the guard and I don't expect Hamilton to stick around.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
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pokerman wrote:
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So Mercedes have come out and said that they didn't give Bottas a car to be competitive in Baku and then they give that car to Hamilton and now he's struggling to match Bottas, that's got to raise an eyebrow or two.
Pretty sure they meant setup rather than there being anything fundamentally wrong with the chassis.
There seems to be one or two ex F1 drivers that find what Mercedes have done a bit strange.
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The strange bit is if they believed Bottas' chassis was stiff or just under-performing, why would they still want to give it to Hamilton considering he's fighting for the title? Is it to save costs from building a new chassis or they believe Hamilton is that good to make a weak chassis still fire under him?
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I have a theory, this may have come up before, but maybe maxs true strength is that he is a BEAST at car setup, when is he ever off the pace. This would explain his team mates issues

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pokerman wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:51 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:04 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:53 am
So Mercedes have come out and said that they didn't give Bottas a car to be competitive in Baku and then they give that car to Hamilton and now he's struggling to match Bottas, that's got to raise an eyebrow or two.
Pretty sure they meant setup rather than there being anything fundamentally wrong with the chassis.
There seems to be one or two ex F1 drivers that find what Mercedes have done a bit strange.
Why its not like this is the first time they have done it, they have always rotated the monocoque after 4 races.

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I believe Tsunoda had 3 lap times deleted & every time he did swear over the radio thinking he didn't cross track limits.
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Rockie wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:58 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:51 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:04 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:53 am
So Mercedes have come out and said that they didn't give Bottas a car to be competitive in Baku and then they give that car to Hamilton and now he's struggling to match Bottas, that's got to raise an eyebrow or two.
Pretty sure they meant setup rather than there being anything fundamentally wrong with the chassis.
There seems to be one or two ex F1 drivers that find what Mercedes have done a bit strange.
Why its not like this is the first time they have done it, they have always rotated the monocoque after 4 races.
The strange bit is that after Bottas saying that he thinks there is something wrong with his car then they immediately give it to Hamilton.
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I believe Tsunoda had 3 lap times deleted & every time he did swear over the radio thinking he didn't cross track limits.
However he clearly did, does Tsunoda not seem a little un-Japanese were he seems to criticise everything and it's often not his fault when it is?
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pokerman wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:19 pm
Rockie wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:58 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:51 am
mikeyg123 wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:04 am
pokerman wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:53 am
So Mercedes have come out and said that they didn't give Bottas a car to be competitive in Baku and then they give that car to Hamilton and now he's struggling to match Bottas, that's got to raise an eyebrow or two.
Pretty sure they meant setup rather than there being anything fundamentally wrong with the chassis.
There seems to be one or two ex F1 drivers that find what Mercedes have done a bit strange.
Why its not like this is the first time they have done it, they have always rotated the monocoque after 4 races.
The strange bit is that after Bottas saying that he thinks there is something wrong with his car then they immediately give it to Hamilton.
The way you phrase this makes it sound Mercedes are deliberately trying to impede Hamilton - and we all know the case, that, if anything, they're deliberately trying to impede Bottas this year lol
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well done crofty, you predicted that well! :D

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