Who will win the Championships?

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Who will win the WDC/WCC

Hamilton & Mercedes
16
39%
Hamilton & Red Bull
18
44%
Verstappen & Mercedes
4
10%
Verstappen & Red Bull
3
7%
Other combination (comment)
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Total votes: 41

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Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
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I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
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I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
Very true, although Lewis performed too well to be a wingman whereas Bottas is at the other end.

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Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
I think a further dynamic is the role that Gasly has being able to play these past two races.
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JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:50 pm
Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
Very true, although Lewis performed too well to be a wingman whereas Bottas is at the other end.
True, but it's having the same effect - the intended second driver isn't keeping himself between his teammate and their rival.
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pokerman wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:35 pm
Tufty wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:15 pm
JN23 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:37 pm
mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
Would be a bit ironic if their wingman not being wingmanny enough costs them one or both championships.
Not unprecedented though, arguably that's the role Lewis was expected to play in 2007
I think a further dynamic is the role that Gasly has being able to play these past two races.
I hadn't considered Gasly, but ironically after being shafted by the big team he might be the key to their title duck ending.
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mikeyg123 wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:33 pm
Delphic wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:59 pm
New member here. I have introduced myself in the New members introduction thread.

I think Red Bull will take both the titles. Max and Checo as a team will perform better than Lewis + Bottas, that is, lets say if Lewis wins a race or two, I believe it is more likely from this point on for Checo to score more points than Bottas.

The drivers championship will be close but I think Max will squeak out in the end. Max is driving better than Lewis this year, obviously he has a much better car compared to the RBs of previous years. Checo getting the hang of the car will keep Lewis honest. So, in a way Red Bull can strategize with their two drivers against one. Unless Bottas steps up. Thats why Mercedes have to start paying attention to Bottas more than they have now. Or if they feel Bottas is a lost cause, then get Russell or someone who can take the fight to Checo and the Red Bull.

Lewis lost that great opportunity to score points in Baku and get a double digit lead. I dont think Max will be unlucky again, and for Lewis to get comfortable he needs a race like Monaco, except the roles are reversed, where Lewis wins and Max is outside the top 5.
Hi :thumbup:

I agree with you that Bottas potentially going rogue could make things harder for Mercedes.
I don't think Bottas will go "rogue", but I get what you are saying, Bottas and Mercedes seem to have checked out on each other, and that doesnt bode well for Lewis' title fight. Until last year and the earlier races this year Checo was getting used to the car. Jury is still out on that, but I am assuming he will get more comfortable in that car as the year goes by. So, the off track stuff that Mercedes more often than not lacked compared to Red Bull, like pit stops, strategy will be more visible. Lewis and the better car made up for their slow pit stops compared to RBs. Until now Mercedes would get away with having 0.2 seconds slower pit stops, but with Red Bull now being better and Max driving his wheels off, Mercedes cannot afford that.

If Gasly is closer to the Mercedes then that throws another wrench in the equation. Horner now has potentially 3 cars he can use to fight off Lewis. Mercedes have to be prefect in almost every race from this point on, which I dont see happening.

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Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.

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JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I think Red Bull are pretty much nailed on for the WCC, unless there is some seismic upset in car performance - but the WDC could go either way and would be deserved by whoever wins it.

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Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:22 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I think Red Bull are pretty much nailed on for the WCC, unless there is some seismic upset in car performance - but the WDC could go either way and would be deserved by whoever wins it.
Yeah this is my view too at the moment. Hopefully it goes the distance.

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JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:25 pm
Alienturnedhuman wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:22 pm
JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I think Red Bull are pretty much nailed on for the WCC, unless there is some seismic upset in car performance - but the WDC could go either way and would be deserved by whoever wins it.
Yeah this is my view too at the moment. Hopefully it goes the distance.
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I voted for Hamilton/Red Bull. Red Bull I remain fairly confident about, but Hamilton? I'm increasingly unsure. He seemed happy with P2 today, which is strange given he lost points to Max.
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JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
Still think Mercedes had the better race car. Will be interesting to see how the teams evolve going into race 2.

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Race 2? Did I miss something?
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I'm going to say Lewis and Red Bull to win their respective championships. Just.
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JN23 wrote:
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:13 pm
Anyone changed their mind after this weekend? I think Red Bull’s pace this weekend has surprised a lot of people.
I said Max and Red Bull, and today's race solidified my opinion. WCC is all but done at this point. Regarding WDC, I think the Red Bull package (Max + RB + Pit crew/ strategy) is better than the Merc package (LH + #44 Merc + Pit Crew strategy).

The French GP kid of convinced me that it will be a tall task for Lewis to win the WDC and eventually he will fall short. I mean, Max and Red Bull were much better today in what everyone called the Merc hunting ground. For Lewis to stay in contention he has to win the next race, or hope that Max finishes out of points, both of which seem very unlikely. In other words, LH and Merc have to hope that Max doesn't stretch his lead to over 20 points after the twin Austria races. After today I would be shocked if LH wins either one of those races (unless Max has a DNF or something).
By the time they reach Silverstone, the gap will be too large, and then we will get to tracks where Red Bulls will have a better package. They already showed today that they were better on the straights than the Mercs.

Red Bulls have dominated practices, qualifying, and the races over the last three races. This is not possible just because the drivers make mistakes or the strategies fail. It is because they have a better unit which forces the other team to be on their toes all the time, hence those errors.

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