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A.J. wrote:
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Verstappen stopped on issue with what looked like a gearbox issue but I think Sky reported that Red Bull said it didn't seem like a gearbox/engine issue.

Tsunoda has taken a second energy store and control electronics, meaning that three of the Honda powered cars are on their second (and final) CE of the season. Not sure whether the first unit is usable or not.
That doesn't bode well for the rest of the season for them, does it? I doubt they will be able to fix whatever the issue is without incurring penalties - it would be a shame if the long-awaited Verstappen-Hamilton fight is decided by reliability instead of performance on track.
It doesn't no - I do think almost everyone will take grid penalties for new PU components this year because of the longer calendar but if they're changing components each race it could be tough for them.

Also adding in the differential problem, Perez's brake issue in Q2 and shutting down on the formation lap. Not great so far, but we'll see.

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Bit of a digression but I've just learned that Lance Stroll holds a lap record here (F3, 2016).
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I know Honda pulled out all the stops with their PU and attempted to incorporate radical designs which they supposedly shouldn't have had the time to pull off. Seems their PU competes with the Merc PU on raw performance, but at what cost?

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At least Max is breaking down when there are no points on offer.
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I know Honda pulled out all the stops with their PU and attempted to incorporate radical designs which they supposedly shouldn't have had the time to pull off. Seems their PU competes with the Merc PU on raw performance, but at what cost?
You're right that this could be a problem for Red Bull, but this wasn't engine related apparently.

Edit: Ted just said Red Bull confirmed it was a drive shaft problem

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OK, my turn to put the knife in:
Mazepin, radio: 'Can you check the car because there are some strange noises happening.'
It's probably saying something along the lines of, Please don't hurt me again.

Actually, I hope that Mazepin gets to grips with what looks like a very unstable car. He has shown that he has pace in F2 and I hope that he can convert that to F1 and without the occasional brain farts he had. We know that Haas is focused on 2022 - if both he and Shuey-Jnr learn to drive a sketchy car it should out them in good stead for any improvements.
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Bottas does seem to have a qualifying edge on Hamilton here, doesn't he? Would Mercedes consider swapping them if Bottas is P2 and Hamilton is P3?
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... and, as soon as I knock Mazepin, Leclerc bins it.
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Bottas does seem to have a qualifying edge on Hamilton here, doesn't he? Would Mercedes consider swapping them if Bottas is P2 and Hamilton is P3?
Unless Hamilton looked quicker and Bottas was clearly holding him up, I don't think they would at this early stage of the season.

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Unless Hamilton looked quicker and Bottas was clearly holding him up, I don't think they would at this early stage of the season.
Toto has shown ruthlessness in the past. It's only 3 points in that example but you'd rather have them in Hamilton's tally at the end of the season rather than Bottas'.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
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Unless Hamilton looked quicker and Bottas was clearly holding him up, I don't think they would at this early stage of the season.
Toto has shown ruthlessness in the past. It's only 3 points in that example but you'd rather have them in Hamilton's tally at the end of the season rather than Bottas'.
I get what you're saying and if it's going to be a close battle then yeah you would prefer those three points in Hamilton's column than Bottas', but we have seen ruthlessness from Toto in the past butI'm not sure we've seen that level of ruthlessness.

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I think it would be in Merc's best interest to let Bottas down slowly. Hamilton's general superiority should see him in the far better position to fight for the WDC even quite early on in the season. At this point they can ease Hamilton into a sort of definitive and transparent #1, earlier than in any other season, in what will hopefully be a close fight with Verstappen.

Being too ruthless might actually be damaging in the long run.

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Being too ruthless might actually be damaging in the long run.
It only takes a little unreliability to put Hamilton at a points disadvantage to Bottas. Besides, if Toto is ruthless enough to deploy team orders on Sunday, he's ruthless enough to sack an uncooperative Bottas and swap in Vandoorne.
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It only takes a little unreliability to put Hamilton at a points disadvantage to Bottas. Besides, if Toto is ruthless enough to deploy team orders on Sunday, he's ruthless enough to sack an uncooperative Bottas and swap in Vandoorne.
Yeh maybe, though I can't imagine Bottas being uncooperative as such.... more just mentally down and wondering what he's fighting for.

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What's wrong with Ricciardo?

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Lap times of the top 6 drivers. Ham, Bot & Per were running on mediums for race runs whereas Gas, Lec & Sai were on softs.

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What's wrong with Ricciardo?
His fastest time had gotten him to P11 but that lap time was deleted for exceeding track limits.
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I had a hunch Mercedes would be the best team because of the cooler conditions & colder track surface. Bahrain was much hotter, which typically doesn't suit Mercedes.
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UnlikeUday wrote:
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Siao7 wrote:
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What's wrong with Ricciardo?
His fastest time had gotten him to P11 but that lap time was deleted for exceeding track limits.
That makes sense. Thank you

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Mercedes back on top it seems.

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mikeyg123 wrote:
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Mercedes back on top it seems.
Max was way off though, not sure how representative this was.

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Bit of a digression but I've just learned that Lance Stroll holds a lap record here (F3, 2016).
That would be European F3 and not International F3, different cars I believe.
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JN23 wrote:
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F1Tyrant wrote:
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JN23 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:28 pm
Unless Hamilton looked quicker and Bottas was clearly holding him up, I don't think they would at this early stage of the season.
Toto has shown ruthlessness in the past. It's only 3 points in that example but you'd rather have them in Hamilton's tally at the end of the season rather than Bottas'.
I get what you're saying and if it's going to be a close battle then yeah you would prefer those three points in es interferes this weekend. Its only race 2Hamilton's column than Bottas', but we have seen ruthlessness from Toto in the past butI'm not sure we've seen that level of ruthlessness.
Yeah id be shocked if Mercedes interferes this weekend. That goes against what they normally do, which is to let them race. Plus it’s only race 2 in a super long season. And if Hamilton wants team orders in his favor further into the season he is gonna have to distance himself significantly from bottas in the points table. Otherwise i dont see it.

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kleefton wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:20 pm
JN23 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:33 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:31 pm
JN23 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:28 pm
Unless Hamilton looked quicker and Bottas was clearly holding him up, I don't think they would at this early stage of the season.
Toto has shown ruthlessness in the past. It's only 3 points in that example but you'd rather have them in Hamilton's tally at the end of the season rather than Bottas'.
I get what you're saying and if it's going to be a close battle then yeah you would prefer those three points in es interferes this weekend. Its only race 2Hamilton's column than Bottas', but we have seen ruthlessness from Toto in the past butI'm not sure we've seen that level of ruthlessness.
Yeah id be shocked if Mercedes interferes this weekend. That goes against what they normally do, which is to let them race. Plus it’s only race 2 in a super long season. And if Hamilton wants team orders in his favor further into the season he is gonna have to distance himself significantly from bottas in the points table. Otherwise i dont see it.
They usually interfer when needed by messing Bottas' pit stop. Why should they change the process ?
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Harpo wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:09 pm
kleefton wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:20 pm
JN23 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:33 pm
F1Tyrant wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:31 pm
JN23 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:28 pm
Unless Hamilton looked quicker and Bottas was clearly holding him up, I don't think they would at this early stage of the season.
Toto has shown ruthlessness in the past. It's only 3 points in that example but you'd rather have them in Hamilton's tally at the end of the season rather than Bottas'.
I get what you're saying and if it's going to be a close battle then yeah you would prefer those three points in es interferes this weekend. Its only race 2Hamilton's column than Bottas', but we have seen ruthlessness from Toto in the past butI'm not sure we've seen that level of ruthlessness.
Yeah id be shocked if Mercedes interferes this weekend. That goes against what they normally do, which is to let them race. Plus it’s only race 2 in a super long season. And if Hamilton wants team orders in his favor further into the season he is gonna have to distance himself significantly from bottas in the points table. Otherwise i dont see it.
They usually interfer when needed by messing Bottas' pit stop. Why should they change the process ?
When did they do that?
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pokerman wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:53 pm
Harpo wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:09 pm
kleefton wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:20 pm
JN23 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:33 pm
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:31 pm

Toto has shown ruthlessness in the past. It's only 3 points in that example but you'd rather have them in Hamilton's tally at the end of the season rather than Bottas'.
I get what you're saying and if it's going to be a close battle then yeah you would prefer those three points in es interferes this weekend. Its only race 2Hamilton's column than Bottas', but we have seen ruthlessness from Toto in the past butI'm not sure we've seen that level of ruthlessness.
Yeah id be shocked if Mercedes interferes this weekend. That goes against what they normally do, which is to let them race. Plus it’s only race 2 in a super long season. And if Hamilton wants team orders in his favor further into the season he is gonna have to distance himself significantly from bottas in the points table. Otherwise i dont see it.
They usually interfer when needed by messing Bottas' pit stop. Why should they change the process ?
When did they do that?

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Mercedes look marginally faster to me. It will take an absolute banzai lap from Max to take pole, Abu Dhabi 2020 style.

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Mercedes look marginally faster to me. It will take an absolute banzai lap from Max to take pole, Abu Dhabi 2020 style.
Nice to see you playing up Mercedes to ensure Max is seen as a miracle worker. Again. :lol:

Red Bull have the fastest car until clearly proven otherwise. Maybe that will happen tomorrow but I doubt it.
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F1Tyrant wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:57 pm
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:41 pm
Mercedes look marginally faster to me. It will take an absolute banzai lap from Max to take pole, Abu Dhabi 2020 style.
Nice to see you playing up Mercedes to ensure Max is seen as a miracle worker. Again. :lol:

Red Bull have the fastest car until clearly proven otherwise. Maybe that will happen tomorrow but I doubt it.
What I saw in free practice was Mercedes setting the benchmark and Red Bull struggling to match them.

Remains to be seen what happens in a few hours. I have a feeling that we will get a Bottas pole, not sure why.

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KingVoid wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:52 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:57 pm
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:41 pm
Mercedes look marginally faster to me. It will take an absolute banzai lap from Max to take pole, Abu Dhabi 2020 style.
Nice to see you playing up Mercedes to ensure Max is seen as a miracle worker. Again. :lol:

Red Bull have the fastest car until clearly proven otherwise. Maybe that will happen tomorrow but I doubt it.
What I saw in free practice was Mercedes setting the benchmark and Red Bull struggling to match them.

Remains to be seen what happens in a few hours. I have a feeling that we will get a Bottas pole, not sure why.
Max missed pretty much all of FP2. Due to that, I would not be willing to say that the Merc is clearly faster than the RB.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:56 am
KingVoid wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:52 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:57 pm
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:41 pm
Mercedes look marginally faster to me. It will take an absolute banzai lap from Max to take pole, Abu Dhabi 2020 style.
Nice to see you playing up Mercedes to ensure Max is seen as a miracle worker. Again. :lol:

Red Bull have the fastest car until clearly proven otherwise. Maybe that will happen tomorrow but I doubt it.
What I saw in free practice was Mercedes setting the benchmark and Red Bull struggling to match them.

Remains to be seen what happens in a few hours. I have a feeling that we will get a Bottas pole, not sure why.
Max missed pretty much all of FP2. Due to that, I would not be willing to say that the Merc is clearly faster than the RB.
Agree. I’m not sure how anyone can make a conclusion yet on the pace of the cars yet. Mercedes looked pretty good but there’s no comparison to make against Verstappen.

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JN23 wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:04 am
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:56 am
KingVoid wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:52 am
F1Tyrant wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:57 pm
KingVoid wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:41 pm
Mercedes look marginally faster to me. It will take an absolute banzai lap from Max to take pole, Abu Dhabi 2020 style.
Nice to see you playing up Mercedes to ensure Max is seen as a miracle worker. Again. :lol:

Red Bull have the fastest car until clearly proven otherwise. Maybe that will happen tomorrow but I doubt it.
What I saw in free practice was Mercedes setting the benchmark and Red Bull struggling to match them.

Remains to be seen what happens in a few hours. I have a feeling that we will get a Bottas pole, not sure why.
Max missed pretty much all of FP2. Due to that, I would not be willing to say that the Merc is clearly faster than the RB.
Agree. I’m not sure how anyone can make a conclusion yet on the pace of the cars yet. Mercedes looked pretty good but there’s no comparison to make against Verstappen.
Red Bull have two cars.

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Laps deleted all over the show.

Red flag for Latifi in the wall.

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Qualy will keep everyone on their toes due to track limits.....
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Yes, loads of lap times deleted - so is that just a sign that the drivers are just pushing to get the absolute fastest time, or does it indicate that we will see several penalties for"exceeding track limits" in the actual race (which I would hate) ?

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