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Couldn't see a 2021 edition, but please merge if I missed it.

Just watched the Moto 3 race and it was won by Pedro Acosta, 16 years old and he started from the pit lane! Simply phenomenal! I am astonished. Only his second ever race in Moto 3.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:41 pm
Couldn't see a 2021 edition, but please merge if I missed it.

Just watched the Moto 3 race and it was won by Pedro Acosta, 16 years old and he started from the pit lane! Simply phenomenal! I am astonished. Only his second ever race in Moto 3.
In his debut race he finished second, just has I thought Moto3 was going to be a bit meh full of riders that have been around for ever it seems we may have another superstar.

In Moto2 we have another rider making an immediate impact in Raul Fernandez, he came good late last season in Moto3 winning a race or two despite his size and weight being a handicap hence why he probably got moved up this season, another rider to look out for.

In MotoGP with Marc Marquez still missing it seems like the title is up grabs like it was last year although Marquez is set to return for the next race, still though it's hard to imagine him being fully fit.
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pokerman wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:39 pm
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:41 pm
Couldn't see a 2021 edition, but please merge if I missed it.

Just watched the Moto 3 race and it was won by Pedro Acosta, 16 years old and he started from the pit lane! Simply phenomenal! I am astonished. Only his second ever race in Moto 3.
In his debut race he finished second, just has I thought Moto3 was going to be a bit meh full of riders that have been around for ever it seems we may have another superstar.

In Moto2 we have another rider making an immediate impact in Raul Fernandez, he came good late last season in Moto3 winning a race or two despite his size and weight being a handicap hence why he probably got moved up this season, another rider to look out for.

In MotoGP with Marc Marquez still missing it seems like the title is up grabs like it was last year although Marquez is set to return for the next race, still though it's hard to imagine him being fully fit.
Yep, only 2 races in but the season is looking rather good. Closest ever top 15 finish in Moto GP, too.
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I thoroughly enjoyed the MotoGP, but I was very worried there was going to be a very serious accident a few times. It's great to see the Ducatis and Suzukis doing well again.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:41 pm
Couldn't see a 2021 edition, but please merge if I missed it.

Just watched the Moto 3 race and it was won by Pedro Acosta, 16 years old and he started from the pit lane! Simply phenomenal! I am astonished. Only his second ever race in Moto 3.
That was one heck of a ride. I thought he'd have worn his tyres getting back to, and through, the group after a 9-second deficit from the pit lane start - but he nailed the first part of that final lap to give him enough margin to hold off Binder.
Felt a bit sorry for McPhee, but quite impressed by his Piquet-like demeanor!!!
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tootsie323 wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:48 am
Asphalt_World wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:41 pm
Couldn't see a 2021 edition, but please merge if I missed it.

Just watched the Moto 3 race and it was won by Pedro Acosta, 16 years old and he started from the pit lane! Simply phenomenal! I am astonished. Only his second ever race in Moto 3.
That was one heck of a ride. I thought he'd have worn his tyres getting back to, and through, the group after a 9-second deficit from the pit lane start - but he nailed the first part of that final lap to give him enough margin to hold off Binder.
Felt a bit sorry for McPhee, but quite impressed by his Piquet-like demeanor!!!
Yeah you can't really punch someone in the face when they're wearing a helmet. :lol:
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Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back.
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DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 pm
Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back.
The Ducatis have been doing that for years, Quartararo won the opening 2 races last year then not much else after that.
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pokerman wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 pm
Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back.
The Ducatis have been doing that for years, Quartararo won the opening 2 races last year then not much else after that.
They've had more grunt for sure, but not in the way they have this year. And their starts are in a different league.
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DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:41 am
pokerman wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 pm
Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back.
The Ducatis have been doing that for years, Quartararo won the opening 2 races last year then not much else after that.
They've had more grunt for sure, but not in the way they have this year. And their starts are in a different league.
They've had that starting system for a couple of years as well.
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pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:41 am
pokerman wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 pm
Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back.
The Ducatis have been doing that for years, Quartararo won the opening 2 races last year then not much else after that.
They've had more grunt for sure, but not in the way they have this year. And their starts are in a different league.
They've had that starting system for a couple of years as well.
I know but I watched last year and maybe it's just me but I don't recall the difference being so evident during either starts or the race. Martins pass on Quarteraro with 4 laps left was ludicrous.

Anyway, whether the advantage is the same as last year I don't know, but for some reason I enjoyed that race more than most last year and wasn't just sat there thinking "yeah, but if Marquez was here...."
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DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:58 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:41 am
pokerman wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:58 pm
Got to be excited by Acosta. In MotoGP, Quarterraro finally looked like the rider everyone wants him to be. If he can ride with that commitment every weekend we are in for a treat. Just how much power advantage do the Ducatis have though? I have never seen bikes just blast past from 20m back.
The Ducatis have been doing that for years, Quartararo won the opening 2 races last year then not much else after that.
They've had more grunt for sure, but not in the way they have this year. And their starts are in a different league.
They've had that starting system for a couple of years as well.
I know but I watched last year and maybe it's just me but I don't recall the difference being so evident during either starts or the race. Martins pass on Quarteraro with 4 laps left was ludicrous.

Anyway, whether the advantage is the same as last year I don't know, but for some reason I enjoyed that race more than most last year and wasn't just sat there thinking "yeah, but if Marquez was here...."
Whereas I am, he washes every rider on the grid.
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pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:58 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:41 am
pokerman wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:06 pm

The Ducatis have been doing that for years, Quartararo won the opening 2 races last year then not much else after that.
They've had more grunt for sure, but not in the way they have this year. And their starts are in a different league.
They've had that starting system for a couple of years as well.
I know but I watched last year and maybe it's just me but I don't recall the difference being so evident during either starts or the race. Martins pass on Quarteraro with 4 laps left was ludicrous.

Anyway, whether the advantage is the same as last year I don't know, but for some reason I enjoyed that race more than most last year and wasn't just sat there thinking "yeah, but if Marquez was here...."
Whereas I am, he washes every rider on the grid.
It will be interesting to see when he comes back if normal service immediately resumes. Will people suddenly view the riders they've been bigging up for a year differently if Marquez goes back to waxing them all on a weekly basis?
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Exediron wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:58 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:41 am


They've had more grunt for sure, but not in the way they have this year. And their starts are in a different league.
They've had that starting system for a couple of years as well.
I know but I watched last year and maybe it's just me but I don't recall the difference being so evident during either starts or the race. Martins pass on Quarteraro with 4 laps left was ludicrous.

Anyway, whether the advantage is the same as last year I don't know, but for some reason I enjoyed that race more than most last year and wasn't just sat there thinking "yeah, but if Marquez was here...."
Whereas I am, he washes every rider on the grid.
It will be interesting to see when he comes back if normal service immediately resumes. Will people suddenly view the riders they've been bigging up for a year differently if Marquez goes back to waxing them all on a weekly basis?
I'm not sure that normal service will immediately resume, surely he will proceed with caution but that being said you're not dealing with normal people especially Marquez.
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pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 pm
Exediron wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm
DOLOMITE wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:58 pm
pokerman wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 pm

They've had that starting system for a couple of years as well.
I know but I watched last year and maybe it's just me but I don't recall the difference being so evident during either starts or the race. Martins pass on Quarteraro with 4 laps left was ludicrous.

Anyway, whether the advantage is the same as last year I don't know, but for some reason I enjoyed that race more than most last year and wasn't just sat there thinking "yeah, but if Marquez was here...."
Whereas I am, he washes every rider on the grid.
It will be interesting to see when he comes back if normal service immediately resumes. Will people suddenly view the riders they've been bigging up for a year differently if Marquez goes back to waxing them all on a weekly basis?
I'm not sure that normal service will immediately resume, surely he will proceed with caution but that being said you're not dealing with normal people especially Marquez.
I'm sure Marquez will be back to business as usual on his return, and I want him back asap. I just mean that at this race I was entertained enough to not miss him. Last year I just felt that whoever was winning there was a big Marquez shaped hole.
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So, Marc Marques is officially back and will race next week. Will be very interesting to see how quick he is after 9 months out.
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:49 am
So, Marc Marques is officially back and will race next week. Will be very interesting to see how quick he is after 9 months out.
I would be very surprised if he's not sraight back in at the top, assuming the bike is good enough.
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It amazes me the amount of people who think he's not going to be competitive straight away. He hasn't spent the last year sat around just playing PlayStation and eating crisps

In 2019 he scored double the points of any other rider he'll be racing against on Sunday. The results whilst he's been away, especially the double header in Qatar, show no one is consistently fast enough to challenge him.

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It amazes me the amount of people who think he's not going to be competitive straight away. He hasn't spent the last year sat around just playing PlayStation and eating crisps

In 2019 he scored double the points of any other rider he'll be racing against on Sunday. The results whilst he's been away, especially the double header in Qatar, show no one is consistently fast enough to challenge him.
I think the main worry is what happens when he falls of his bike again?
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It amazes me the amount of people who think he's not going to be competitive straight away. He hasn't spent the last year sat around just playing PlayStation and eating crisps

In 2019 he scored double the points of any other rider he'll be racing against on Sunday. The results whilst he's been away, especially the double header in Qatar, show no one is consistently fast enough to challenge him.
I doubt anyone thinks he's going to be miles of the pace, but he wouldn't be the first sportsman in the work to return from a long layoff and be slightly off their best. Remember, it only takes a couple of tenths pel lap to be well down in the race. Not saying it will be the case, but it could. Hence my interest in seeing what happens.
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Remember, it only takes a couple of tenths pel lap to be well down in the race. Not saying it will be the case, but it could. Hence my interest in seeing what happens.
For Marquez, a couple of tenths per lap would normally mean he's just competitive with the guys at the front...
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It's interesting that I've heard that Marquez was only going to return when given the full green light from the doctors, that being that he can ride like before without fear of re-injuring his arm, so it looks like we're going to see an 100% Marquez, I doubt it will take him that long for him to get up to full speed.
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A question from someone who didn't ride a motorcycle since a long time, and obviously doesn't follow Moto GP as closely as some here...
You all seem very sure Marquez will be back at the top very quickly, if not from the first lap of his return. May be as a rider, but what about the bike ? I am under the impression that this Honda is not that great, was not last year too, and that he got his huge accident trying too hard to make up for an "average" bike. Don't you fear the same cause (if my impression is right) may produce the same result ?
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Harpo wrote:
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A question from someone who didn't ride a motorcycle since a long time, and obviously doesn't follow Moto GP as closely as some here...
You all seem very sure Marquez will be back at the top very quickly, if not from the first lap of his return. May be as a rider, but what about the bike ? I am under the impression that this Honda is not that great, was not last year too, and that he got his huge accident trying too hard to make up for an "average" bike. Don't you fear the same cause (if my impression is right) may produce the same result ?
You have to realise after his early mistake Marquez was coming through the field about a second a lap quicker than any other rider, that's the difference he can make and he can easily wind that back a little bit.
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Harpo wrote:
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:58 pm
A question from someone who didn't ride a motorcycle since a long time, and obviously doesn't follow Moto GP as closely as some here...
You all seem very sure Marquez will be back at the top very quickly, if not from the first lap of his return. May be as a rider, but what about the bike ? I am under the impression that this Honda is not that great, was not last year too, and that he got his huge accident trying too hard to make up for an "average" bike. Don't you fear the same cause (if my impression is right) may produce the same result ?
You have to realise after his early mistake Marquez was coming through the field about a second a lap quicker than any other rider, that's the difference he can make and he can easily wind that back a little bit.
If you ask me, he was coming through the field one second too much quicker... and fell. The difference he made was that he didn't finish the race and was out for one year. It could have been worse. I'm not sure his first and last race of the year 2020 should be considered as a sample of his "extra-terrestrial" ability.
That said, my question was not about Marquez, everybody agrees about his talent, but about the bike, that Honda could see as a very good one, but just because Marquez (the Elder) was riding it in 2019, that was obviously only average last year in the hands of other riders than Marquez (and, that was my point, even with Marquez on it, which could be the reason why he tried "too much"), and that could be even worse in 2021.
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The bikes probably more competitive than when he left. Pol made loads of mistakes at Qatar and still had good pace. Nakagami and Marquez jr clearly had the bike to win at Aragon last year

He's had plenty of big injuries before and missed the off season, came right back and on the pace.

When he wins by 10seconds at COTA,Sachsenring,Aragon etc he's riding to times. Jerez and Argentina (double penalty race) were 2 of his worst results yet he spent the afternoon making the rest of the field look like boys on a track day.

Vinales' wife had a baby whilst he was in Qatar. I just hope that helps him sort his head out because he's the only rider who I can see keeping him honest

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The bikes probably more competitive than when he left. Pol made loads of mistakes at Qatar and still had good pace. Nakagami and Marquez jr clearly had the bike to win at Aragon last year

He's had plenty of big injuries before and missed the off season, came right back and on the pace.

When he wins by 10seconds at COTA,Sachsenring,Aragon etc he's riding to times. Jerez and Argentina (double penalty race) were 2 of his worst results yet he spent the afternoon making the rest of the field look like boys on a track day.

Vinales' wife had a baby whilst he was in Qatar. I just hope that helps him sort his head out because he's the only rider who I can see keeping him honest
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My goodness, Pedro Acosta has just won again. If you watch nothing else in Moto 3 today, watch the final lap. He was in second place with a few corners to go and a number of bike lengths behind. His dive pass was astonishing as he still made the apex. He is looking like the next great thing already.
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Are you kidding me? Rins and Zarco crash out in quick succession with 6-7 laps to go from podium positions!

Rins was living with Quartararo's pace up in the lead until... until he wasn't.

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Yes, both crashes were a huge shame. As expected, Marquez is doing very well but clearly needs more time to get fully up to speed.
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And it seems Quartararo is starting to come of age, combining his natural speed and flair with extra confidence and a greater maturity.

It's a compliment to Marquez that so many across the net expected him to not skip a beat on his return, but ultimately he does need more time. But it was an admirable return and he did well.

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Just watched, I sure do love that track!

All 3 races were great. Acosta is thrilling to watch, not had a rider make that impression on me since Marquez was coming through.


FQ really looking the business now, great to see. Anyone know what was going on with Vinales?


Marquez solid on his return but was amusing to see him getting beaten up by some of lesser mortals at the start!
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Are you kidding me? Rins and Zarco crash out in quick succession with 6-7 laps to go from podium positions!

Rins was living with Quartararo's pace up in the lead until... until he wasn't.
Rins crashes too much while I felt that Zarco got a bit psyched out by a fellow Ducati bike being quicker than him.
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And it seems Quartararo is starting to come of age, combining his natural speed and flair with extra confidence and a greater maturity.

It's a compliment to Marquez that so many across the net expected him to not skip a beat on his return, but ultimately he does need more time. But it was an admirable return and he did well.
He likes the bike better this year, with Rossi now out of the picture in regards to the development of the bike the younger riders can now take the Yamaha in the direction they want it to go.

With regards to Marc Marquez he still was the fastest Honda rider, he clearly was suffering with strength and fitness on the bike but the bikes not great either.
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I forgot to shout out for Raul Fernandez, a rider I championed after the last race, winning the Moto2 race in only his third outing, only Maverick Vinales did it quicker after 2 races, it took Marc Marquez 4 races.
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Whilst not a classic by Moto GP standards, it was another entertaining race. Can't wait to find out what happened to Quartararo. The onboard shot, after he crossed the line, seemed to show him in agony.
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Asphalt_World wrote:
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Whilst not a classic by Moto GP standards, it was another entertaining race. Can't wait to find out what happened to Quartararo. The onboard shot, after he crossed the line, seemed to show him in agony.
Looks like Quartararo was plagued by an issue with his arm.
Quartararo looked in physical as well as mental pain as he returned to the pits and the young Frenchman later confirmed he had struck arm-pump problems.

"I had a big issue with the arm, so sad because I was feeling really easy in the front," explained Quartararo. "We had amazing pace this weekend and then I just had no more power on the arm. Just so disappointed about it.

"But I fought until the end, even if it was only for 3 points."

Quartararo underwent an arm-pump operation (cutting of the fascia that surrounds the muscle to allow more blood flow, or a more invasive procedure that removes the fascia entirely) on the same right arm during his rookie 2019 campaign and had rarely been troubled with the issue since, including during last year's pair of Jerez race victories.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/97706 ... eling-lost

I don't really understand what the "Arm Pump", but when it flared up it made a big difference.
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Congrats to Jack Miller and Team Ducati!!!

Miller's team mate Francesco Bagnaia who took second now leads the point standings.
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Plus another brilliant ride in Moto 3 but Acosta. He was way off in practice and qualifying, but got it together and won again. What a star.
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Mort Canard wrote:
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I don't really understand what the "Arm Pump", but when it flared up it made a big difference.
Arm pump is a condition where swelling within the muscles in the forearm compartment squeezes the blood supply and nervous system. Its one of the most painful conditions imaginable. In motorcyclists it's chronic due to how much clenching of the hand they do.
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