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You know, I read this last night and I wanted to write something in response but was literally so choked up, both from your sad loss and the fact this awesome time was your last physical interaction with your dad. I have three mongrels and I do so many things they love to do because I want to share...

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The messages from everyone in this thread are of as much solace as the many we've received from friends and family over these past days. My dad always had seemingly bottomless reserves of energy and time to encourage and help others in their own endeavours, regardless of his own extremely busy life....

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There is no theory of evolution, just a list of animals that Chuck Norris allows to live. My dad loved Chuck Norris Facts. In particular: "Chuck Norris converted God to atheism" and "Chuck Norris counted to infinity, twice". He even came up with one of his own: "Other people have the bottom fall ou...

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Terribly sad news. While I respect most forumers here, POB was one who's posts became almost compulsory reading for me. His knowledge, his wonderful anecdotes and his statistical contributions will be sadly missed. To Catherine. If you dad conducted himself in his day to day life as he conducted hi...

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Hello everyone, my name is Brendan O’Brien – I’m Patrick’s son. Our family’s grief since he died on Friday morning has been almost unbearable. I wanted to take the time to post though because, although my dad had many and varied interests and a wide group of friends across the world, F1 was his pass...

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Very sad and unexpected news, RIP POB, one of the best members here. I hope he is on the other side laughing that the workings of his excellent ratings system were never revealed. He is going to be missed around here, judging by his excellent anecdotes from the 60s onwards and vast knowledge, I am ...

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Just to let everyone know that my father Patrick O'Brien died of a heart attack in France this morning. He was an enthusiastic member of this forum. Will write more later. Catherine O'Brien in Cambridge, UK. Thank you for all your kind words. Your comments about my dad are a huge comfort. Best fath...

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Just to let everyone know that my father Patrick O'Brien died of a heart attack in France this morning. He was an enthusiastic member of this forum.

Will write more later.

Catherine O'Brien in Cambridge, UK.

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Before F1 in the thirties (on my System) the gaps between the top drivers Chiron, Nuvolari, Varzi, Wimille, Caracciola and Rosemeyer were much the same as today between Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, etc. Moss's wide advantage in 1959-1960 was exceptional, and not matched in the F1 era.

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Thanks for the clarification. Sounds as if Indycars are a lot cheaper to produce and run than F1 cars. I could not believe Chevy themselves were working on race cars and engines, out of the back door as in musclecar and Chaparral days. Seems as if the Chevvy name (how many vees?) is just for marketi...

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I think Hulk and Perez were equal driver-rated in 2015 and 2016, and that both are under-rated. Also agree that Palmer is showing promise, but was not yet at Hulk's level as at end 2016. I voted for a podium for Hulk but of course it all depends on the Renault. Always one of my favourite teams. What...

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What type of engines are permitted in Indycar Formula these days?
What configuration is the Chevy and who builds it?
Any other engine-builders apart from Chevy and Honda?
What are the power outputs?

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Some very close Package times were recorded in practice for the 1963 Italian GP at Monza. After the first day's practice using the 10 km lap of the banked oval and the road course, the Police prohibited the use of the banking due to lack of spectator safety precautions. The teams and many drivers we...

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The last season that any Package had as much speed advantage over its fastest rival Package as the 2015 Hamilton/Mercedes, was in 2002:the Schumacher /Ferrari was 0.5 faster than the Ralf Schumacher/Williams-BMW. All the seasons in between (2003-2014) the gaps were much closer. In 2015 the Hamilton/...

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Should Mercedes in 2014-2016 or Ferrari 1996-2006 have had team orders/a definite number one driver? Ferrari score din terms of marketing and media exposure by favouring Michael Schumacher. Whereas Mercedes, like Mclaren-Honda years earlier, allowed their two drivers to compete. Allowing team-mates ...

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Who'd have thought Jim Clark, one of the cleanest and fairest of WDCs, would ever blatantly jump a Grand Prix start? 1963 belgian GP at Spa. ON this old, 14km per lap version of the great ciurcyuit, the pits were immediately after La Source hairpin, on the right-hand side going downhill towards Eau ...

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The 1961 'Sharknose' Ferrari gave its WDC driver Phil Hill the greatest car advantage of all: it was 0.7 faster than the next fastest rival car, the Cooper-Climax Type 55. This compares to the 0.4 to 0.5 advantages by the 2014-2016 Mercedes over its next-fastest rival cars. In 1992 the Williams-Rena...

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It could not have been easy for Williams to negotiate losing Bottas, but good for them being tough and getting a tech advantage from Mercedes. I was surprised that Williams did not do better last year with Pat Symonds on board, but perhaps he was to late to have much effect on the car design? Let's ...

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Lotus49 and Mikey and others above here. If one considers that Robert Mugabe (Pres of Zimbabwe) was knighted or OBEd (not sure if any difference?) in 1994, maybe the award-givers' judgement is dubious.

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Imo the relative lack of recognition for John Surtees is due to widespread antipathy towards motor racing. Many actively dislike motor racing, considering it a raucous, wild-eyed, macho form of entertainment. Many sports journalists do not consider it a sport, that the drivers are not athletes. The ...

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DeSirius, the OP, started this thread was with a link to Andrew Bell's 'Greatest Driver' study (Andrew Bell reckoned it was Fangio). Then another poster referred to Andrew Phillips's study. I reviewed both of these (plus about 20 or so other available driver-rating and car-rating literature) in my E...

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Surtees's ethics. After his first part-season of 4 races for Lotus in 1960, in which he performed outstandingly, Surtees was offered a full-time drive by Chapman alongside Clark for 1961. Surtees said he'd be happy with Clark as a team-mate as they 'got on well together and Jim was good'. Surtees th...

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So sad for John Surtees that his son Henry died in that racing accident recently. Fortunate to have seen and spoken to JS in the pits a few times: he was so low key and unassuming, a quiet hard worker. His talents went beyond riding bikes and driving cars at the highest level: JS was en expert devel...

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Kleefton analyses that 2012 Maldonado/Willimas win correctly :thumbup: luck with Lewis being dsq, but then holding off Alonso for many laps at the end. I think working on season-averages is often going to show different impressions/results from individual races or portions of seasons. For 2012 my st...

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Jabouille in 1980 could be considered an underdog. His incredible record of 23 retirements with 2 wins in 1979 and 1980! The Renault RS10 car in 1979 was fast enough to score wins, Jabouille borderline fast-enough as a driver, and the package not really fast enough on season-average. The Renault's p...

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From journalists from his day, Piquet snr was known to be a 'ch..ky b....r. In a 1981 interview with a well-known magazine, Nelson said: "If Reutemann was not so cautious and would take more chances he would do much better". Reutemann was then into his tenth season. A few years on, from 1987, and wh...

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One reason for the recent decades' WDCs having the highest percentage of fatsest packages is the 'evening up' of circuit length and type. Until the 70s the circuit variation was huge: from Monaco's 3.3 km to the Nurburg's 23km lap, Spa's 13km, Monza's 10km with the bankings and the road circuit comb...

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@ Gothnak: I follow your reasoning, but Imo this is perhaps based on Packages and their qualy- or race-times. Once the driver is 'removed; from the package to leave the Car alone, the pictures can be quite different. Looking at qualy and race-results say for 1992, it seems that the Senna/McLaren-Ho...

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Come on, this is too painful. One name only? Ok then..............Grosjean, and hoping he can revert to his original surname soon. Yet Romain got 0 votes :-P I was so cracked up over Raggedman's words consoling Zoue about Kimi, :lol: that I forgot to poll for the greatest, nicest, fastest and best ...

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My driver-rating for Kimi in 2012 also showed he did leave a couple of tenths on the table driving the Lotus. Looking back on Raikkonen's long career: perhaps he has not been as driven to win as other WDCs? In 2004-6 he really was fast. After 2007 Kimi definitely slowed a bit and helped Massa in 200...

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Just how good are F1 drivers? Are their performances really exceptional. Of course. But this was demonstrated back in 1986, when two lifelong car nuts, historic racers, mechanics, car restorers, were the back-up crew for a competitor in the 1986 Mille Miglia Historic run. They drove the latest Golf ...

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Changing driver attitudes? Just read some of Vettel's radio 'messages'. Hilarious and make Kimi's look so dull and conventional. :) In 2013 Malaysian GP Sebastian yelled to his pitcrew: "Mark is to slow, get him out of the way. He's too slow." If they'd had radio back in the day, can you imagine Fa...

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Paolo_Lasardi wrote:So, Ferrari in '12 was the fourth fastest car and FA/Ferrari the third fastest package - according to your rating.

Yes, sorry about my confused pit-radio signals. Lucky Kimi or Sebastian were not on the other end.

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Apologies Lotus49: my mistake above here, as I explained to VDV23: it was NOT the Ferrari CAR that was the the second fastest of 2012, but the Alonso/Ferrari Package, behind the Red Bull-R and the McL-M tied for fastest at 100.0. The 2012 Ferrari Car on my System ranked third: behind the Red-Bull-R ...

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@ Gothnak: I follow your reasoning, but Imo this is perhaps based on Packages and their qualy- or race-times. Once the driver is 'removed; from the package to leave the Car alone, the pictures can be quite different. Looking at qualy and race-results say for 1992, it seems that the Senna/McLaren-Hon...

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VDV23: my System measures each race in isolation, but scores all season's races and averages the figures to obtain the season-average Ratings. In my post above I did make an error: I meant the Alonso/Ferrari was the second fastest Package, not the second fastest Car. The Vettel/ Red Bull and Hamilto...

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2004: Trulli 7th fastest package. 2008: Vettel/Toro Rosso 11th fastest. 2008: Alonso/Renault 5th 2008: definitely not Kubica/BMW which was 3rd fastest package close to top. 2012: Rosberg/Mercedes 7th fastest. 2012: Maldonado/Williams 10th fastest. 2012: definitely not Alonso/Ferrari which was 2nd f...

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Collating my findings regarding the fastest Packages to have won the WDCs, a change of pattern emerged: For the decades 50s, 60s,70s and 80s, a consistent 40-50% of the WDCs had the season's fastest Package. For the 90s all ten WDCs had the fastest package of the season. The 2000s it was 70%. For th...

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After the 1961 German GP was won by Moss in his Lotus-Climax, on damp roads and with some rain. Von Trips/Ferrari who came second said: "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap". The 22.8-km, 170-plus -corner Nurburgring lap was so ...

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Looking at the total number of the 67 WDCs (1950-2016) won by the fastest Package each season and comparing with the numbers won by the fastest Drivers and the fastest Cars (converted to percentages for comparison): Packages 60% Drivers 48% Cars 61%. This confirms the importance of the Car and the P...

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