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TheThirdTenor

So half the voters think Alonso could have done/be doing a little more. Interesting. Bad cars don't fight for championships. Ferrari have produced one mediocre car since 2009 and that was 2011. The 2010 and 2012 models were very good cars. "Good", "bad" or "mediocre" are note precise definitions. T...

TheThirdTenor

So half the voters think Alonso could have done/be doing a little more. Interesting. Bad cars don't fight for championships. Ferrari have produced one mediocre car since 2009 and that was 2011. The 2010 and 2012 models were very good cars. "Good", "bad" or "mediocre" are note precise definitions. T...

TheThirdTenor

Because you seem to rate Hamilton on Alonso's level but not Vettel even though Hamilton hasn't won from lower than 4th in his career. Nope, overall i'd rate them pretty equally. Of course, their performances can differ due to circumstances (as we are currently discussing). I think Vettel proved in ...

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Trulli seems to be able to pull the wool over some people's eyes. So many people think he was an underachiever and could or should have been a WDC. I don't see that at all, he never looked to me like a WDC in the making. He was a strong qualifier, and plainly had great speed (at times). He didn't h...

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wow, you have to admire Zoue and Prema's persistence here. They're like heavyweight boxers getting pummeled round after round. When it is obvious to everyone that they have been beaten, they keep coming back for more beatings.

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Excellent post hittheapex. This should shut some posters up.

TheThirdTenor

No one has given a valid answer. Stop hiding behind excuses, and answer the question. If Alonso was number 1 from race 1 this year (as you claim), then Massa would have waved him through in the first stint at Australia and would certainly not be given the benefit of the undercut. Sure. First race: ...

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I don't agree with that. A lot of calculation goes into pit stops and when they take place may be fluid as the race unfolds. They may change their strategy on the fly if they feel that the traffic situation is advantageous for one of the cars, for example. You claim greater knowledge of F1 and I'm ...

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If i could, I would put money on EverestBaseCamp making a post in this thread about how the Ferrari's of the last few years have been "great cars". If he did I would agree with him, the term 'dog' has been unfairly used to describe the Ferrari's in my opinion. 2 of the last 3 cars have taken the ch...

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Well he didnt have the best car at the start of the year, yet he was still 1st in the championship. He won in Germany with the second best car He won in Germany because of the safety car. Red Bull were second fastest on race pace (with Lotus being the fastest) but you forgot to mention that Red Bul...

TheThirdTenor

Overall, Alonso beat Trulli in their 2 years together.

TheThirdTenor

If i could, I would put money on EverestBaseCamp making a post in this thread about how the Ferrari's of the last few years have been "great cars".

TheThirdTenor

No one has given a valid answer. Stop hiding behind excuses, and answer the question. If Alonso was number 1 from race 1 this year (as you claim), then Massa would have waved him through in the first stint at Australia and would certainly not be given the benefit of the undercut. Sure. First race: ...

TheThirdTenor

I've asked why you think that a number 2 has to let a number one finish ahead every single race, and you refuse to answer. It's a reasonable enough question. Maybe you think throwing insults will deflect from the fact that you don't know how to answer, I don't know. I don't think a number 2 has to ...

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Vettel has never won a race having started outside the top 3. In fact, he's only won 1 race outside the top 2, and that was when Hamilton dropped out in front of him. These are facts. I never said Alonso is head and shoulders above Vettel or anything like that. Hamilton has NEVER won a race outside...

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Erm Trulli led Monaco from start to finish, nothing was pointing to an Alonso win that day. Trulli was the faster man all weekend. Also I remember Brundle saying he couldn't believe Alonso even tried to overtake Schumacher round the outside in the tunnel, it was a move destined for failure given ho...

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I've asked why you think that a number 2 has to let a number one finish ahead every single race, and you refuse to answer. It's a reasonable enough question. Maybe you think throwing insults will deflect from the fact that you don't know how to answer, I don't know. I don't think a number 2 has to ...

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TheThirdTenor

They start off as equal at the beginning of the season, and then at some point later in the season Ferrari will back whichever driver it deems to have the best WDC hopes (this depends on the points standings of the drivers at the time). Alonso usually gets himself the backing of the team because he...

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TTT provided a valid example to back up their claim. It got written off due to having occurred back in 1996, which is bullshit. Their claim is based on a false premise that No2 driver is never ever to be allowed to finish ahead of No1. It was not. It was based on the idea that a number 2 driver wou...

TheThirdTenor

They start off as equal at the beginning of the season, and then at some point later in the season Ferrari will back whichever driver it deems to have the best WDC hopes (this depends on the points standings of the drivers at the time). Alonso usually gets himself the backing of the team because he...

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His reputation only suffered after he was pasted by Alonso. Of course for you that means Fisichella was overrated and can't possibly that Alonso was great. It would help if you at least attempt to be objective. If Fisichella was as great as some claimed pre 2005 he wouldn't have been pasted by some...

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It all depends on the cars he's given for the rest of his career. If he keeps on getting top machinery he could well break Schumacher's record. But there's just as much chance he could stop winning at all after this year. Alonso was said to have a good shot at breaking Schumacher's records after 20...

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It all depends on the cars he's given for the rest of his career. If he keeps on getting top machinery he could well break Schumacher's record. But there's just as much chance he could stop winning at all after this year. Alonso was said to have a good shot at breaking Schumacher's records after 20...

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In this case though I think Raikkonen is the smart guy for not getting involved with politics. We all know Alonso likes to use them and it doesn't always work for him. With Raikkonen he's going to try and use politics within the team against a guy who doesn't care about them in the first place. It'...

TheThirdTenor

They start off as equal at the beginning of the season, and then at some point later in the season Ferrari will back whichever driver it deems to have the best WDC hopes (this depends on the points standings of the drivers at the time). Alonso usually gets himself the backing of the team because he ...

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I must admit I'm getting a little tired of him, first off there's this myth that Ferrari have given him scrap cars to drive, so far he has 11 victories and 40 podiums in less than 4 years, it's not Ferrari's fault that they're getting beaten by one of the greatest minds in the history of F1 Adrian ...

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If anyone was given a fairy cakes of a car and made it look good it was Kimi in 2009 in a car that the team stopped developing.. Alonso had a car that gave him a fair chance on the WDC in 2010 and 2012. Alonso has blown away WDCs more than winning.. 2007, 2010 and 2012 That's very simplistic. The f...

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Ferrari 2010 was a great car. 1-2 for Alonso & Massa in the very first race. Can you imagine that now. Massa, outqualified Alonso on his 1st race return from a major Head injury in that Ferrari. Season is longer than 1 race. The only great car in 2010 was the Red Bull. Ferrari and Mclaren were mere...

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Ferrari, Tifosi's & F1 fans are not tired of Alonso. He provides great drama on & off track, which is excellent otherwise it'll be boring with 1 less character in F1 without Alonso. He also provides great results Alonso has 11 wins & 40 Podiums with Ferrari which clearly shows both Alonso & his Fer...

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His reputation only suffered after he was pasted by Alonso. Of course for you that means Fisichella was overrated and can't possibly that Alonso was great. It would help if you at least attempt to be objective. If Fisichella was as great as some claimed pre 2005 he wouldn't have been pasted by some...

TheThirdTenor

His reputation only suffered after he was pasted by Alonso. Of course for you that means Fisichella was overrated and can't possibly that Alonso was great.

It would help if you at least attempt to be objective.

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I love she says "beat Alonso in 2004" (which incidentally is not true) and completely ignores what happened in 2003!

I wonder why she has such a strong hatred for Fernando?

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January 12, 2003 17:44 IST Italian Giancarlo Fisichella has beaten Ferrari's five times world champion Michael Schumacher in a poll of his fellow Formula One drivers. The Jordan racer, who has started 107 races without a victory, shrugged off his reputation as Formula One's most underrated talent t...

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mds wrote:
They hadn't started to be anywhere near the top until Vettel sat in that car. RBR started winning when Vettel arrived. Why is it always one-way?

RBR started being near the top in 2009 because everyone started from zero again after the rule changes. Vettel also happened to join in that year.

TheThirdTenor

If anyone was given a fairy cakes of a car and made it look good it was Kimi in 2009 in a car that the team stopped developing.. Alonso had a car that gave him a fair chance on the WDC in 2010 and 2012. Alonso has blown away WDCs more than winning.. 2007, 2010 and 2012 That's very simplistic. The f...

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Notice, he acknowledges that Kimi did not enjoy this same advantage. Anyone who reads Benson knows that he is hardly likely to say this about Alonso if he didn't consider it pretty much indisputable. The idea that Alonso somehow earned his status rather than enjoying it from day one does not even p...

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Notice, he acknowledges that Kimi did not enjoy this same advantage. Anyone who reads Benson knows that he is hardly likely to say this about Alonso if he didn't consider it pretty much indisputable. The idea that Alonso somehow earned his status rather than enjoying it from day one does not even p...

TheThirdTenor

Notice, he acknowledges that Kimi did not enjoy this same advantage. Anyone who reads Benson knows that he is hardly likely to say this about Alonso if he didn't consider it pretty much indisputable. The idea that Alonso somehow earned his status rather than enjoying it from day one does not even p...

TheThirdTenor

Oh cmon, Vettel has had more support than Webber, Raikkonen has had more support than Grosjean, whilst neither Webber or Grosjean are contractual number 2's they have become defacto number twos because their teammates have scored more points than them. Once a team realizes they have to support one ...

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