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tootsie323

... here is the link. https://www.fia.com/2021-f1-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-report-world-motor-sport-council-19-march-2022 P.s. I trust no one here thinks that the race was restarted in an unsafe manner? This is the crux - as much as I did not like the manner in which the race finished, it was within a ...

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I think any rule can be "interpreted" any way you want. With "letter" of the rules you obviously meant not a message encased in an envelope, but I could interpret it like that if I want right? But is it a valid interpretation? Maybe you would like to comment why did Masi interpret the rules differe...

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Yes I read it, I just quoted it. There are 2 clear admittance of errors: The report mentions that there was a misunderstanding of the wording which has now been amended to prevent any confusion in future - this is in reference to the 'any' not meaning all argument (a wording they 'corrected' now), ...

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The inquiry report and the official statement from the FIA President do not disagree with each other both clearly identify misunderstandings and the fact they corrected something as outlined in the report is confirmed by the FIA presidents statements as to why there were corrections to process to r...

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Its bad faith ot argue that there is nothing to see here. We saw him dictate a procedure never before or since seen in order to engineer a faux-race, a decision he made which later saw him removed from the position of Race Director after an enquiry into the night and forced to sign an NDA. A decisi...

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It is wonderful that people view matters as bad faith when you refer to the official (and binding) document from the Stewards and to the World Motorsport Council report, but good faith when conspiracy theories are bandied about. :? Its bad faith ot argue that there is nothing to see here. We saw hi...

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It is wonderful that people view matters as bad faith when you refer to the official (and binding) document from the Stewards and to the World Motorsport Council report, but good faith when conspiracy theories are bandied about. :? I'm also a bit surprised by people who forget Bonnington's insight;...

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I wonder... If we had a sort of calculation for "expected pass" like XG in football what Verstappen's "EP" would have been for that final lap. It would be very high. Max finished the final lap 2.2 seconds ahead, having started behind. Considering he weaved on the straight and went defensive, that's...

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I wonder... If we had a sort of calculation for "expected pass" like XG in football what Verstappen's "EP" would have been for that final lap. We saw the inverse of the situation earlier in the race, with Checo on dead soft tires against Lewis on new hard tires, and Checo was able to come back afte...

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... I'm a little confused with the inclusion of the word notional preceding tax credit in the report - notional suggests hypothetical and, in my experience, HMRC (UK Government tax) does provide a real tax rebate against R&D expenditure... We know for a fact about something that nobody seems to be ...

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I can see the argument over what is a more direct influence on a race outcome. The SC deployment in the first instance has the effect of bunching the field, negating any gaps opened between drivers. Secondly, drivers have an opportunity to change strategy by which they may gain an advantage over oth...

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... I'm a little confused with the inclusion of the word notional preceding tax credit in the report - notional suggests hypothetical and, in my experience, HMRC (UK Government tax) does provide a real tax rebate against R&D expenditure... We know for a fact about something that nobody seems to be ...

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... I, for instance, refuse to believe that RB - who I consider to be the smartest, sharpest, and most competitive team in F1 - to be naive or dumb enough to miscalculate more than a dozen cost categories... I'm not so sure that it was a series of miscalculations but more that Red Bull 'wrote off' ...

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The primary arguments I see being discussed are the unlapping of some, but not all, lapped cars and in the Safety Car being removed immediately, as opposed to after the following lap. Just another look at the regualtions specific to the use of the Safety Car (highlighting what I think are the relev...

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The primary arguments I see being discussed are the unlapping of some, but not all, lapped cars and in the Safety Car being removed immediately, as opposed to after the following lap. Just another look at the regualtions specific to the use of the Safety Car (highlighting what I think are the relev...

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I've had to re-read the FIA report on the breach and associated ABA . In short: Red Bull and the FIA disagreed on the accounting and Red Bull had to accept that some items that were not included in the overall cost should have been. The FIA determined that Red Bull did not act in bad faith and did n...

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Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:35 pm

Fiki wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:22 pm

Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:45 pm
Is there any news on this one? Is it still on?
It appears that Jean Todt has views on this matter. Views that don't ridicule Massa's action, which I find rather refreshing.
Wasn't he the Ferrari team boss back in 2008?

No. Domenicali had taken over from Todt after 2007.

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The primary arguments I see being discussed are the unlapping of some, but not all, lapped cars and in the Safety Car being removed immediately, as opposed to after the following lap. Just another look at the regualtions specific to the use of the Safety Car (highlighting what I think are the releva...

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You can not say that the rule requires to unlap all cars, and then not unlap all cars.You can not change your actions on the same situation by 'different intepretation' or by 'changing your decision making', while the rule presrcribed for the situation stays the same. Why have a set of rules then ?...

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Yes Mas was criticied for keeping the SC out long at the Eifel GP. Then Masi explained he must have done that because the rule says that ALL lapped cars must unlap themselves. Suddenly 1 year later he can handpick cars? Who in the right mind buys that? And that any in that context means all? And if...

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So - apart from Red Bull and Aston Martin having been found to have not followed the correct procedure for being granted R&D credit, according to the FIA reports, there is no evidence that any other team even applied for this? The firm I work for applies for - and receives - a government R&D tax cre...

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doesnt really matter what sticker you put on it, the important part here is that sports should be fair, and rules are always written with that in mind, and this excludes that rules are written with the intent to allow one entity to freely advantage/disadvantage whoever he wants. what is basicly you...

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Paolo_Lasardi wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:11 pm
... I do guess this would be different when something as hypothetical as this notional tax credit wouldn't be instrumental in saving the very popular Verstappen ...

The tax credit is a real one - here's a link to the relevant gov.uk page.

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To be fair, I don't think Fiki particularly enjoyed the way that race ended. He simply states that he is not convinced the sporting regulations were breached. Even I (as a Verstappen fan) did not enjoy it. I was there that day, and as they crossed the finish I immediately told my wife that I though...

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I guess the other factor is whether Verstappen can be as consistent as he has in the last couple of years. I would say that he can't, as no one can be that consistent, but he's raised the bar in terms of consistency so maybe he just is so consistent that he'll take any race win on offer over the ne...

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Brutnots post is obviously an exaggeration of what could occur. But the RD did select some drivers and put them 1 lap ahead of their direct opponents in the race. What would your response have been if Masi dictated that LH could be released half a lap earlier than the rest of the field or if hypoth...

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He can pass Schumacher at this rate in next 2 years. Probably a +30 would be an easy target for him... 15 out of 21/22 each year... He's 37 wins behind Schumacher, he's won 34 in the last two years. He needs to win 19 a year (just like 2023) to pass Schumacher by the end of 2025. Is it possible? He...

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Here's my take. Verstappen was a deserved WDC in 2021 (to be fair, either he or Hamilton would have deserved it - epic season) but the manner in which it was won - in Abu Dhabi - sucked. Whilst it may have sucked in my view (and, as far as I know, it was unprecedented), it was - as Fiki has pointed...

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Here's my take. Verstappen was a deserved WDC in 2021 (to be fair, either he or Hamilton would have deserved it - epic season) but the manner in which it was won - in Abu Dhabi - sucked. Whilst it may have sucked in my view (and, as far as I know, it was unprecedented), it was - as Fiki has pointed...

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Here's my take. Verstappen was a deserved WDC in 2021 (to be fair, either he or Hamilton would have deserved it - epic season) but the manner in which it was won - in Abu Dhabi - sucked. Whilst it may have sucked in my view (and, as far as I know, it was unprecedented), it was - as Fiki has pointed ...

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I'm, not sure, they have overturned results before, like Brazil 2003. I wouldn't call it overturning a result, but correcting an erroneous one. Apparently a timekeeping error had been made. True, but a result has been changed after the race has ended. In that sense only, we have seen results being ...

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I appreciate that, it's just that the post I replied to mentioned that the FIA themselves would be adjudicating the appeal, and to me it made it sound like they were marking their own homework. This is why I wrote that they actually have taken steps against their own personnel, it is not far fetche...

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I'd like to see those cars around Motorland Aragon but (i) it probably isn't an F1-grade circuit and (ii) it's not near any big city.

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"The rules, as written, did give this opportunity for interpretation. " even this sentence can be spun out of its meaning if I want. You says the rules as written, but what if they are not written but printed ? Anything can be interpreted as anything if you're into "freestyle reading of the rules" ...

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all lapped cars must unlap themselves SC may come in only 1 lap later both of these rules were violated by Masi. there was no more race left legally. and no one can defend against a 5 seconds faster car, stop spinning this nonsense. The rules, as written, did give this opportunity for interpretatio...

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You realise for what your saying above to be true all other teams based in the UK would have to be in on it as well... Given that they would want to know where this mythical tax credit is coming from so they can get one? That's a lot of teams that have to stay quiet over something you'd usually exp...

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Weird decision from Leclerc if true. I think he's making an emotional decision, but also potentially a calculated one. Right now, he has a situation where he'll be able to go on a Verstappen-like run if Ferrari gets the best car. Is he going to get anything better anywhere else? Yes, he could court...

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So Verstappen became unstoppable when the team mate that was regularly his equal left the team... what a coincidence. You mean when a teammate, who got tonked 15-6 in qualifying in 2018, ran away from Max before his 21st birthday because he could see the writing on the wall? But no in 2019 and 2020...

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Do you think Masi sat on the track ? He decided the outcome single handedly. It was a race where Hamilton led all laps, even pulled a huge gap on Max. Masi turned it into a 1 lap cheat circus with Max having 3-5 seconds faster car. Masi did not sit on the track. And it wasn't Masi's authority to de...

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OK, let me reword it for you. In the 96 races before AD when lapped cars have been allowed to un lap themselves, in ALL 96 of those races. ALL cars had been allowed to unlap themselves. This is 100% of the time. In race 97, the race director hand picked cars to unlap themselves for which no reason ...

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