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by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

Oh cmon, Vettel has had more support than Webber, Raikkonen has had more support than Grosjean, whilst neither Webber or Grosjean are contractual number 2's they have become defacto number twos because their teammates have scored more points than them. Once a team realizes they have to support one ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
Replies: 70
Views: 13817

Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track

I wouldn't hold my breath.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

And do you think that other people have gotten their opinions that are perhaps aimless and not backed up on what happens in the races? Like people who write about F1 on a professional level, they all just wake up one morning, jump out of their beds and exclaim to the world "Eureka! Massa is No2 in ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:27 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
Replies: 160
Views: 31153

Re: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?

I must admit I'm getting a little tired of him, first off there's this myth that Ferrari have given him scrap cars to drive, so far he has 11 victories and 40 podiums in less than 4 years, it's not Ferrari's fault that they're getting beaten by one of the greatest minds in the history of F1 Adrian ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
Replies: 70
Views: 13817

Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track

Alonso had a very unhappy 2004 at Renault. Trulli had the upper hand on him but I do believe Alonso simply didn't perform to the best of his abilities that year. It was the first sign of his flaws though, that he doesn't cope well when his team mate is doing rather well, that he can let it affect h...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:56 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
Replies: 70
Views: 13817

Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track

Alonso had a very unhappy 2004 at Renault. Trulli had the upper hand on him but I do believe Alonso simply didn't perform to the best of his abilities that year. It was the first sign of his flaws though, that he doesn't cope well when his team mate is doing rather well, that he can let it affect h...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:55 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
Replies: 70
Views: 13817

Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track

number27 wrote:
I seem to recall that Fred wasn't too chipper when Trulli was outscoring him in 2004. He doesn't seem to handle pressure from team-mates too well.
And what driver would be happy if their team mate was outscoring them?
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

And do you think that other people have gotten their opinions that are perhaps aimless and not backed up on what happens in the races? Like people who write about F1 on a professional level, they all just wake up one morning, jump out of their beds and exclaim to the world "Eureka! Massa is No2 in ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

Just to add, I think they were also trying to be as fair as possible during the last set of stops. Webber should have had the undercut. However they gave it to Vettel in order to protect him from the mercs behind him. To try and even it out, they ordered multi 21. They just aren't expecting Vettel ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
Replies: 160
Views: 31153

Re: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?

I am a little. I can see why he is frustrated, but he's only one step away from a Vettel-esqe "DO SOMETHING!!". Why doesn't he get off his pickle and help, instead of moaning? . You mean like drag the mules he has been give to the brink of winning two world titles? Or did you mean something else? I...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:04 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing
Replies: 217
Views: 34100

Re: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing

Well we know more about Alonso than we do Vettel, we know Vettel is better than Webber and thats were his history against teammates starts and ends. Well no, we know he's better than Bourdais and Liuzzi too. As for Alonso, we know he's better than Marques, Yoong, Trulli (well, 1 of 2 seasons...), F...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:58 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

The funny thing is, the first race Massa came back, he
Outqualified alonso! After Bahrain 2010 people thought it would be a close fight between the 2.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:54 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing
Replies: 217
Views: 34100

Re: Hamilton: Vettel form not dperessing

Alonso beat trulli overall (2003 and 04 combined).

I agree about webber. IMO he is at a similar level to someone like trulli.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:50 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?
Replies: 160
Views: 31153

Re: Any Ferrari fans tired of Alonso?

The Tifosi were chanting his name at the weekend.
They love him.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:43 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Ferrari considered paying Alonso off
Replies: 103
Views: 19584

Re: Ferrari considered paying Alonso off

Alonso has driven very well for the past 4 years. But how do Ferrari know he can't drive better? They're signing Kimi as someone to motivate and push Alonso as their is a risk Alonso might have become complacent with no internal threat. And Here I was thinking that Ferrari signed Kimi because Massa...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:11 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

Zoue wrote: I've read this a few times and I don't see how your answer makes sense in the context of the post you were replying to? :?
I don't see how it doesn't make sense.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:06 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

OK, at least that's consistent. Just to add, I think they were also trying to be as fair as possible during the last set of stops. Webber should have had the undercut. However they gave it to Vettel in order to protect him from the mercs behind him. To try and even it out, they ordered multi 21. Th...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:59 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

Actually mds said that in the context that the reason people dont rate him as highly is because he has a great car, which is very true. You can read plenty of posts on this forum saying people wont rate him highly untill he drives for a different team/with a bad car etc. What you did was quote only...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:56 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

The point car. The great car that Vettel has had in the last few years has only enhanced his reputation. For some. The doubters hold the fact he's never had a bad car (always forgetting STR ofcourse) against him to doubt him/detract from him/not rate him highly. And it was in the context (context!!...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:51 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

Massa ended up with the worst strategy, by far. He got the undercut in the first stop. If the team truly favoured Alonso, then they would have given alonso the under cut. So what's your take on Webber getting an undercut at the second pit stop in Malaysia this year? Does this mean that RBR doesn't ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

Actually mds said that in the context that the reason people dont rate him as highly is because he has a great car, which is very true. You can read plenty of posts on this forum saying people wont rate him highly untill he drives for a different team/with a bad car etc. What you did was quote only...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:41 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

I'm sure Hamilton and Alonso wish they had the same "handicap" as Vettel.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:37 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

mds wrote:
Massa ended up with the worst strategy, by far.
He got the undercut in the first stop. If the team truly favoured Alonso, then they would have given alonso the under cut.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:33 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that. This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable. Black_Flag_11 has alrea...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that. This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable. Actually mds said that ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:28 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

mcdo wrote:
TheThirdTenor wrote:Even button managed a pole in his bar.
Jenson Button manages a strip bar?!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:25 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

See my previous post. For you, that one driver ends up getting a better strategy every now and then than his teammate The examples given are not even all indicative of Massa ending up with the better strategy. Look at Australia 2013 - has been discussed before but apparently it's still used as some...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:24 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

I think you I've said everything I need to say and it doesn't look like I will convince you to think any different despite the examples I have provided. Yes, you have said everything you needed, indeed. Your message is more than clear: If I don't substitute the opinions of many F1 expert people, li...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:39 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts
Replies: 146
Views: 27128

Re: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts

There is no doubt Vettel is a great driver. However the arguments and counter arguments about Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton compared as drivers, and particularly the valid point made above 'when Hamilton does well its his skill, when Vettel does well its Newey or his car' are not real comparisons. If...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:36 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

Webber the quali specialist who had 0 pole positions before 2009! :lol: At least Massa actually had a number of pole positions to his name. Really? as someone who throws around the "its all the car" argument so much I would have expected you to pick up on Massa being in a top car for 06/07/08 when ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:33 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that. This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable. Actually mds said that ...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:29 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track
Replies: 70
Views: 13817

Re: Alonso vs Räikkönen: The battle off-track

Jenson's Understeer wrote:I don't think he'll try too hard with the mind games next year. It's a complete waste of time with Kimi, and if he does try anything, I reckon he'll quickly give up and concentrate on being faster on the track.
The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

I think you I've said everything I need to say and it doesn't look like I will convince you to think any different despite the examples I have provided. Yes, you have said everything you needed, indeed. Your message is more than clear: If I don't substitute the opinions of many F1 expert people, li...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:03 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

I think you I've said everything I need to say and it doesn't look like I will convince you to think any different despite the examples I have provided.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:30 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

Porsan wrote:I don't think Alonso has had a less competive or more compliant team mate than Räikkönen in the last couple of years.
Indeed this is overlooked. Lotus gave new parts to Kimi before grosjean and also issued team orders as early as round 4.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:26 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Alonso Vs Raikonnen
Replies: 368
Views: 66274

Re: Alonso Vs Raikonnen

mds wrote:
Then you should really drop sarcastic one-liners that are so easy to refute. If you're really not baiting, you can do a lot better than that.
This is rich coming from the person who said "Vettel is handicapped by having a great car". Of course that one liner was irrefutable.
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:21 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts
Replies: 146
Views: 27128

Re: Amazing Sebastian Vettel facts

There is no doubt Vettel is a great driver. However the arguments and counter arguments about Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton compared as drivers, and particularly the valid point made above 'when Hamilton does well its his skill, when Vettel does well its Newey or his car' are not real comparisons. If...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:16 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

Watch the first stint. Alonso was right behind Massa for the whole stint. Massa got to pit first, Alonso had to wait another lap to pit which left him stuck behind Schumacher. Just to reiterate, Massa got the undercut, Alonso didn't. So much for Alonso's so called number 1 status. Yes, and mistakes...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:08 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

See my previous post. For you, that one driver ends up getting a better strategy every now and then than his teammate The examples given are not even all indicative of Massa ending up with the better strategy. Look at Australia 2013 - has been discussed before but apparently it's still used as some...
by TheThirdTenor
Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:07 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some margin
Replies: 764
Views: 134906

Re: Red Bull insiders: Alonso is faster than Kimi by some ma

In those races, Massa was ahead of Alonso on track but was not forced to yield his position. In the case of china 2011 and Korea 2011 he actually got strategy preference. If Massa was a clear number 2 ( as so many of you claim), surely they would always tell Massa to let Alonso through and always g...