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The ten slowest race-winning packages ranked (according to my ratings): 1958: Trintignant/Cooper-Climax 43/2.0 1958 : Moss/ Cooper-Climax 43/2.0 1967: Rodriguez, P/Cooper-Maserati 1983: Alboreto/Tyrrell-Cosworth 1959: Bonnier/BRM 1964: Bandini/Ferrari 156/63 1966: Stewart/BRM P261/2.0 1951: Fagioli/...

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Unlikeyouday: did you do the deal with Bernie last year to present all the new 2017 cars? Have you extended the deal with Liberty? Rumours of you getting 15% commission, are they true?

Seriously, thanks for showing us; exciting pics.

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Just compared the incidence* of winners 1950-2016 rated at slower than 100.5 (ie 0.5 secs per lap):
Packages 15.2%.
Drivers 10.0%.
Cars 6.6%.

Another method that shows the Car is more important than the Driver.

* number of F1 races won by competitors slower than 100.5.

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The last time was in 2012 when McLaren-Mercedes and Red Bull-Renault rated at 100.0. Of course two equal top cars made for one of the most exciting seasons. I thought the Lewis/McLaren-Mercedes should have won the WDC. He had a few slow pitstops and some grid penalties. the cars scored 7 wins each....

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Sorry about that Raggedman! :( I envy you living in Cal with all that racing and car enthusiasm. My first car was a 1937 Chev Coupe into which we fitted at 318 Plymouth V8 (5.2-litres for this Forum :) ). Back in mid-sixties in Johannesburg South Africa, this was cheapest way I could get performance...

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Anyone know or have stats on how many winning drivers there have been 1950-2016?

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Since 1950 two or more cars have equal top-rated on my System for 17 seasons. An unusual happening, considering the many designers and teams. The last time was in 2012 when McLaren-Mercedes and Red Bull-Renault rated at 100.0. Of course two equal top cars made for one of the most exciting seasons. I...

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What an experience Blake! Thanks for sharing, bringing such a famous family to us as real people.

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Two drivers whose reputations seemed greater than their F1 speed: Siffert and Pedro Rodrigeuz. I think what earned them popular acclaim were their exploits in the sports-racing Porsche 917s, esp in the rain at Spa, etc. Siffert also gained fame for winning the 1968 British GP in Rob Walker's Lotus-C...

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Now listen here Herb: if we don't stop this nonsense and get back to the OP, the Mods will refuse us PF1 tickets to the 2017 grid walkabouts.

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Like you I have life intervening too much, and F1 has replaced all other forms of motorsport. I am completely out of touch with stock/sprint or other forms of car racing anywhere. During the sixties the SA racers, with bigger budgets and higher tech, built US style sprint cars with 500hp v8 engines;...

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Right: Fisi in the Jordan-Cosworth 2003 at Interlagos package-rated at 101.6; ie 1.6 secs per lap slower on season-average than the M Scumacher/Ferrari.

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Herb: your link jogged my memory: it was also called 'stock-car' racing in SA, and started about 1955. The Johannesburg promoter travelled to the UK (England then!) a lot, and started with Speedway racing in 1949. Henry Long was the Brit and SA champ then in those days. The way you described the gen...

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:blush: oops first time I've looked at my stats and compared seasons. Each season is calculated in isolation for the packages and cars. Because of the record 11 winning packages in 1982, what I assumed was the wide gap between fastest and slowest winning packages proves not to have been so unusual: ...

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Great story Mercenary! Also tells a lot about Bobby Rahal and Lil Al. What a contrast.
Even in darkest Africa we read about Foyt breaking up the great US series and how blunt and crude he could be.
Andretti spoke highly of the Unsers.

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Incredible Herb! :thumbup: Those days were so far back and so far away from the centre of the world, I cannot believe anyone would ever have heard anything about it today. You obviously 'get' stock car racing and how it all works: Derek Warwick for president, great racing background and such a nice ...

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I have always stressed that among the top few GP/F1 drivers there is little difference in speed. However I once saw what a difference a top driver can make in same-cars. I realise this was not F1, but what in the US is termed sprintcar racing on ovals. In South Africa and I believe the UK it was cal...

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Mercenary has a point :nod: , talking of Foyt the man, not the driver. Back in the late-sixties a successful South African oval track sprintcar promoter telephoned Foyt, inviting him to race in SA. Several other US drivers with their cars competed in the SA series from the mid-sixties. AJ's incredib...

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They really make ze best cars, hard to argue with that. All german brands are top quality, except perhaps for Opel which is not completely german because its owned by GM :lol: The OP makes modern German motoring dominance clear. In the 30s (1934-1939) it was perhaps similar: Mercedes and Auto-Union...

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My above post on the 11-winner 1982 season: I should have mentioned that the spread of package-ratings ranged fromthe 100.0 for the Prost/Renault and the VIlleneuve/Ferrari to the slowest winning package, the alboreto/Tyrrell-Cosworth at 101.1. Bear in mind that these are season-average ratings figu...

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No matter how fast rated the driver or car are, it is the combined car-and-driver Package-rating that determines race results and rankings. The 1982 season featured 11 winning packages, the most to date in GP history. Most remember 1982 as the season that the Keke Rosberg/Williams-Cosworth scored on...

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2017: whichever team/s get their sums right, their cars will determine the outcome of the new season, not the drivers. Despite all teams working so hard and the highest level of skills involved, it is almost accidental how competitive the season will be, and if there is dominance by any one or two t...

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did ralph beat him ? Assume you mean did Ralf Schumacher beat Michael in races? Quick look at pure results when both finished, Ralf was ahead: 2001;twice 2002:once 2003:four times 2004:nil 2005: three times driving for Toyota; Michael drove a Fiat Punto :lol: Not really comparable because each in d...

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My opening post may have given the wrong impression of how close drivers rated in earlier times(50s and 60s). I listed some of the widest gaps above. As usual those at the top/front were closer, listed below are some team-mate pairnings: 1950 Fangio-Farina at Alfa Romeo 0.3. 1950 Villoresi-AScari at...

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Let's hope Silverstone remains. It does seem perverse that the various govts have never assisted F1/motor racing. As an industry it surely must earn billions for the UK? And how many does it employ?

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in 2014 and 2016 the gap between the Ricc/ RB and the Ham /Merc was virtually the same. In 2015 the gap was about double, ie much wider.

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As Kleefton mentions in another thread, gaps between team-mates are /have narrowed today. Going back to 2010, some were as wide as 1.2, others at 1.0, as recently as 2015 0.6 and 0.7 were the widest. What surprised was how Alonso affected Massa's speed in 2010, 2011. As Felipe said, " It's not easy ...

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While not wins, on a pure personal level I was very pleased to see in the 1981 British GP Jacques Laffite finish 3rd, Because he had a lot of time for me just before the race, and Eddie Cheever 4th because he is a nice guy too. :thumbup: Come on moby: tell us more. What did you/they say? Lafitte wa...

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It does not seem to be too good for one's blood pressure to be too involved in any one driver's career. More relaxing, informative and interesting to see driver's in relation their teams, cars, rivals and to the racing in general.

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I know that Alonso reacted to what Hamilton did but I feel what people fail to realise is the politics playing out behind the scenes which caused Hamilton to do what he did. I'm not saying that made it right for him to do that, but the guy who says he brought 6 tenths to the team was still asking w...

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I even remember Rosberg winning with Mercedes in 2012 being a nice breath of fresh air, how quickly times change. First eight GP's with eight winners in 2012, among them Maldonado and with Perez in a Sauber so close to a win in Malaysia. :thumbup: 2012 was one of the best seasons of all, and I've b...

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Mika Häkkinen's first win on Jerez in 1997. You've got me wondering. I seem to recall that less was said about Mika's arranged win (Coulthard being held back) after Schumacher's failed blitzkrieg. I do believe most racefans wanted to see Mika finally winning a race, but I don't remember anybody bei...

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While not wins, on a pure personal level I was very pleased to see in the 1981 British GP Jacques Laffite finish 3rd, Because he had a lot of time for me just before the race, and Eddie Cheever 4th because he is a nice guy too. :thumbup: Come on moby: tell us more. What did you/they say? Lafitte wa...

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Thought I'd quantified Panis 1996? His Ligier package was 8th fastest of the season (on average). Easy to get into knots when trying to be confine F1 performances :? . The actual race results ( ie winning) discussed here do not tally with my season-average stats. My reasoning is that WDC/WCC are jud...

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One I would not have easily considered was Moss, ever. But in the 1958 Argentine GP he drove to win in a private Cooper-Climax . With a 2.0 litre engine vs the rest of the field's 2.5 litres, incl Fangio, Behra in Maseratis and Hawthorn, Collins and Musso in Ferraris. The Moss/Cooper-Climax ranked a...

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All but one of the new candidates above qualify as midfielders: 1975: Brambilla/March 13th fastest package! 1976: Peterson/march 9th 1977: Lafitte/Ligier 11th 1975: Hunt/Hesketh was NO underdog: he and the car were really fast; equal 2nd package-rated; Hesketh car also 2nd fastest. 1981: Gilles Vill...

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2004: Trulli 7th fastest package. I agree that this was an underdog victory, but how do you calculate that he was driving the 7th fastest package? Renault finished P3 in the championship that year. WDC points and my on-track time differentials and season-average time-based ratings are very different.

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POBRatings, I don't know how your driver-package rating works, yet here is list with candidates that are not yet mentioned: 1975, Austrian GP, Brambilla/March 1976, Italian GP, Peterson/March 1977, Swedish GP, Laffite/Ligier 1981 Monaco and Spanish GP, Villeneuve/Ferrari (perhaps he qualifies for t...

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In the English-speaking world no win was more popular than Mansells at Brands hatch in 1985. I think that all his 4 other victories on home soil are quite close to the first one. In 1987 he was breaking the lap record 11 times (!) and overtook Piquet in a way that I can not find appropriate word! N...

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Hamilton was talking about driving lines, braking points, diff settings, gear selection(a LOT of time to gain here in qualifying), etc.. He said if you give a very good F3 driver his lines, he will drive just as fast as him. He is NOT talking about CAR SETUP so I don't see the similarity with 2007....

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