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davidheath461

Blinky McSquinty wrote:What happened last year? A Red Bull that was deliberately set up for cornering and not top speed qualified second, passed the leader on lap one, and won by over 16 seconds.

are you serious? Red Bull had a much skinnier wing than everyone else at Spa last year.

davidheath461

As soon as Rosberg hit Hamilton, i knew Ricciardo would win the race.

He's much better at managing the tyres than Vettel, doesn't make mistakes and is obviously very quick and good at overtaking.

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From what I have observed it looks like Vettel is having trouble applying the power mid corner i.e. going from partial to full throttle. Now it could be the way the engine delivers its power as it's not as smooth as the V8's coupled with the lack of a blown diffuser seems to accentuate it hence the...

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Rosberg did a similar thing to Schumacher in 2010 at the same corner?

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VetteLOL

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to be fair, Vettel looks a bit better in the wet compared to Ricciardo.

I imagine if it is a dry race, Vettel and Ricciardo will be evenly matched.

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And to think that some people thought Vettel was better than Alonso... lol Why lol... Because Stewart doesnt think so? I still think Vettel is a better qualifier and a better racer than Alonso overall. He may lag behind Alonso in some specific areas but overall i would put Vettel ahead Vettel is lo...

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The Spa Master is 1 second slower than Alonso at Spa.

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Fiki wrote:
davidheath461 wrote:The pass in the pitlane in China has no relevance here.
You are mistaken. The pass in the pitlane shows what Alonso thinks about being a team member.

how does it show that?

You think because he had the audacity to pass his teammate, it shows that he's not a team player?

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VDV23 wrote:P2 is a better starting position than P1 in Belgium (when there isn't a SC). It means that you can stay very close after La Source, get a good tow towards Eau Rouge and complete the move on the Kemmel Straights. Just like in 2013.

Yeh 2011 too - Rosberg outdragged Vettel up the Kemmel straight.

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chucking it down now

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Certainly with Vettel's meagre two podiums you wouldn't think of it as the second best car Why not? What other team has two victories, and how many podiums does Dan have? Just because Vettel only has two podiums does not mean that the car may not be the second best car on the grid. It may not be, b...

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Tbh, Alonso shouldn't have had much of a chance, either. Both he and Vettel were lucky that the McLarens imploded in the second half of the season. But as insurmountable as the odds were, Alonso still had the better chance. Couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't... but DID. And even though he was ahead (alb...

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pokerman wrote: Certainly with Vettel's meagre two podiums you wouldn't think of it as the second best car

why not? It's more podiums than compared to the 2nd drivers in other teams (excluding Mercedes of course):

Massa has 0
Perez has 1
Magnussen has 1
Kimi has 0

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France 1996

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Massa was 8th in the championship. No driver in the modern era has been 8th at the halfway point of the championship and then gone onto win the championship, least of all an average driver like Massa, driving the F10, which was not the fastest car that year. Realistically, he would have had to get e...

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And to think that some people thought Vettel was better than Alonso...

lol

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Alonso is a great driver, but he is petty when it comes to giving props to his rivals unless he manages to beat them. He beat Schumi, according to his recent interview "others" at Ferrari.com, when he finally got equivalent equipment. So in other words, Schumi was his greatest rival because he was ...

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bourbon19 wrote:It is just a matter of how people wish to use the language to construe the situation. In the end, win as a team, lose as a team. Alonso can't escape that - nor can Kimi or Massa before him anymore than the team can.

That's not really what the OP is asking though.

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Alonso - down; yet another year where it looks like he won't come through for Ferrari. No titles for 5 years now and counting. Millions of dollars and all they have to show for it is a driver that beats his teammates. What sport are you watching? Alonso is dragging that turd to the podium and murde...

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And semantics aside, there is a case to be made to say that because Alonso is so good at driving around a car's deficiencies, the team does not spend so much effort focusing on some problem areas (because they are not a problem for him). Long term this could be detrimental for development but this ...

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There must be something in this especially for Ferrari as they have for a long time pursued a one-two driver policy. Once a driver establishes himself as a No.1 driver and they produce a car they must go to the No.1 driver and ask "how can we better this?". Then consider that for as long as we can ...

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remember chances of rain at Spa are quite high, and that will favour Red Bull.

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And semantics aside, there is a case to be made to say that because Alonso is so good at driving around a car's deficiencies, the team does not spend so much effort focusing on some problem areas (because they are not a problem for him). Long term this could be detrimental for development but this ...

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Not sure why you think Michael would have closed the deal. When he was in similar situations (i.e. 1997 and 1998) he didn't close the deal so why would he have closed the deal in 2010 and 2012? Not sure why you refer to emotional control either. I'm an Alonso bandwagon fan, but he did make a number...

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Not sure why you think Michael would have closed the deal. When he was in similar situations (i.e. 1997 and 1998) he didn't close the deal so why would he have closed the deal in 2010 and 2012? Not sure why you refer to emotional control either. I'm an Alonso bandwagon fan, but he did make a number...

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Not sure why you think Michael would have closed the deal. When he was in similar situations (i.e. 1997 and 1998) he didn't close the deal so why would he have closed the deal in 2010 and 2012? Not sure why you refer to emotional control either. I'm an Alonso bandwagon fan, but he did make a number...

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I will rather have a driver that is super sensitive to a car, than one who could drive anything, as a sensitive driver will complain and demand and push development forward, a driver that can drive a mule fast will be driving that mule the whole season, or season after season after season. Complete...

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When I was a kid there loads of these around. We used to call the puffing billy's as they made the same chuffing sound as a steam locomotive. http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/pat_russell/more/foden-steam-truck-england3.jpg How lovely! A picture quiz which I plagiarised from another site...

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@ davidheath again We could honestly continue to bounce our opinions around but it is just wasting time, I believe what I believe and you continue to believe what you choose to believe. Don't however try and suggest that I am the only one with a biased opinion as your entire arguments are based pur...

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After Schumacher, Brawn, Byrne and Todt left wasn't it expected that Ferrari would return to there 'spaghetti culture'. I know they had the fastest car in 07, 08 but they were evolutions of the 06 car. The only reason they have had a chance of championships in the recent past is because of alonso. ...

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@ davidheath461 This topic is basically about whether or not Ricciardo would have taken championships away from Seb in previous years, he is beating him this year although not as you suggest "in every measurable way" but there is no evidence that this means he would have beaten Seb in the era when ...

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I agree that the engine freeze is stupid.

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Find 2 pictures of Michael Schumacher driving an F1 car other than a Jordan, Mercedes, Ferrari or Benetton.

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I think that this question has come way to early in their careers together to make an sort of valid assumptions; if say next year the Red Bull was good enough to challenge for the championship and Ricciardo then beat Seb and became WDC then maybe we could start to conclude that Ricciardo could have...

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Kimi is an abysmal driver?

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Sure, he didnt always have the fastest car in 2010-13, though neither did Schumacher in 2001-04. However, Vettel did have the fastest car for the majority of that time period, as Schumacher did in his respective dominant time period. What sets Schumacher apart is what he did in seasons like 95, 97 a...

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Quickest car in 2012 was McLaren, particularly in Lewis' hands. No question. The Red bull was better at a select number of races, but overall the McLaren was a fantastic car and Lewis missed out on the title because of several errors by his team and reliability, and oh yeah, the Maldonator. Austral...

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Quickest car in 2012 was McLaren, particularly in Lewis' hands. No question. The Red bull was better at a select number of races, but overall the McLaren was a fantastic car and Lewis missed out on the title because of several errors by his team and reliability, and oh yeah, the Maldonator. Austral...

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Red Bull was the best car overall in the first half of 2013. That's not to say it was the best car at every race, but on average it was the best.

After the tyre change and Spa upgrade the car was completely dominant.

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