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by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Yes, if those drivers would drive for many teams. The trouble is that few top drivers do. They have teammates who may do however. Yes, but that is quite meaningless in the context of the car itself, doesn't it? For instance, we hear Hamilton complain to no end about the current generation of Merced...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:51 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

I can and did. The stewards didn't look at Alonso's real or pretended throttle problem, just as they didn't look at Russell's actions while chasing Alonso, because Russell apparently didn't inform them he was paying attention to something else than the car he was trying to catch up to. Also, I'm no...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

Back on the train i see. Lets give it to mid year at least. If the race pace is still "average" maybe we can draw that conclusion then. It has to come some time though hes no spring chicken What train? Is sharing observations (very valid imo) now considered jumping on some train? And "back" on it? ...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:43 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

Didn't look "much quicker" in the final stint; he got closer due to Russell getting stuck behind Piastri. For me this looks like a turning point; we could rely on Lewis turning it up in the race regardless of where he qualified, but this season Russell seems to clearly be the better driver. Back on...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

Didn't look "much quicker" in the final stint; he got closer due to Russell getting stuck behind Piastri. For me this looks like a turning point; we could rely on Lewis turning it up in the race regardless of where he qualified, but this season Russell seems to clearly be the better driver. Back on...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:38 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

See my prior post, the team can literally see this. The engineers know, the problem is that they don't know how to make the car go faster than the rest of the field instead of lagging behind. You don't believe in driver feed back then unlike the drivers who are always looking to give feed back. Of ...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2664

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

No, I think most people (including you!) have said Hamilton has very likely declined from his peak. That's obviously not the same as saying that it would be impossible for Hamilton to ever outqualify Russell. Bottom line.... You can't moan for weeks about people using a "3 race sample" and then try...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:51 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2664

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

No, I think most people (including you!) have said Hamilton has very likely declined from his peak. That's obviously not the same as saying that it would be impossible for Hamilton to ever outqualify Russell. Bottom line.... You can't moan for weeks about people using a "3 race sample" and then try...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:47 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

I'm not sure why Hamilton offered to move over. Sure he was slower in stint one which was unlike him but he was much quicker than Russell in the final two stints and lost 10 seconds to the undercut. Didn't look "much quicker" in the final stint; he got closer due to Russell getting stuck behind Pia...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:43 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

The problem Mercedes have is that there simulation facilities (wind tunnel) etc isn't correlating to real life. It's not that their engineers have suddenly become bad it's that what the simulation tells them works doesn't work in real life. But lets not forget they still have the 4th fastest car. T...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:41 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

It is a follow-on from last year. "I know what a car needs". I would wager there a people on this forum (me personally not among them) that know more about what makes a Formula One car work than Hamilton. And what goes for Hamilton, goes for all drivers in the field. It's called giving feed back, h...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:39 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

It is a follow-on from last year. "I know what a car needs". I would wager there a people on this forum (me personally not among them) that know more about what makes a Formula One car work than Hamilton. And what goes for Hamilton, goes for all drivers in the field. It's called giving feed back, h...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:35 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

The data does not give you the relative performance of the car versus the rest of the field, not its drivability. Therein lies the problem. It gives a good idea who are the better drivers. Yes, if those drivers would drive for many teams. The trouble is that few top drivers do. They have teammates ...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:33 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Bottas has had three teammates if I remember correctly (Massa, Hamilton, Zhou). Beating Zhou could be the same as beating Sargeant or beating Latifi. Quit meaningless in other words. Edit: spelling. While Massa was a GP winner and just seconds away from being a world champion. Yes, because both Ham...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2664

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

OK, so not able to provide a quote or an example then. Sorry, I don't believe that you thought anybody was arguing that it would be impossible for Hamilton to ever out qualify Russell ever again. Chill out and actually think about what you're claiming here. I would say that one member has certainly...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

I think in the part that dealt with Russell saying he was actually looking down when changing something on his steering wheel. Which Russell revealed in Japan, I'm not sure the stewards can see the future, however nice way to avoid the question which you can't answer in defence of Alonso. I can and...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

You have to give credit to Hamilton for persevering with this nonsense. https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046497/1/lewis-hamilton-now-knows-exactly-where-w15-not-strong-enough What nonsense would that be? It is a follow-on from last year. "I know what a car needs". I would wager there a people on this...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:51 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Remember where this started? It was based on an argument of circular logic. When I point out that this applies to Hamilton vs Bottas, it is somehow not relevant. There are any number of reasons why the comparison of Verstappen vs Perez against Hamilton vs Bottas is not going to give us much informa...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Fair enough on the first point, what I should have written is that there is no real telling either way. As for Massa declining over time, every driver does and drivers (and athletes in general) decline at different ages, that is something that I think is commonly accepted. Whether his accident affe...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:49 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

The relevance lies is that Bottas for all intents and purposes is not an accurate yardstick, this has been clear all along, and we can see that play out at Sauber. That gets countered with excuses as in “Bottas does not really try” or “Bottas is only good in a top car”. That than leads some to give...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:43 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

He did. Which in itself isn't breaking the rules. The question is whether Alonso making a mistake while Russell is checking his steering wheel is enough to earn him a penalty. And that is where his potential throttle problem may come back into the discussion. I was just replying to the member who s...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2664

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Could you please quote literally anybody on the forum saying that it would be impossible for Hamilton to out qualify Russell? Just once will do... Having the need to use 3 race samples gives that feel of something set in stone. OK, so not able to provide a quote or an example then. Sorry, I don't b...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:47 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2664

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

Why are you complaining about a 3 race sample yet using a 1 race sample to discredit it? What Hamilton did was apparently not possible with him being over the hill. Could you please quote literally anybody on the forum saying that it would be impossible for Hamilton to out qualify Russell? Just onc...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:45 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 323
Views: 16903

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

Read some news about Vettel potentially being in the running to replace Lewis. I hope that is untrue; he was past it by 2018 and the subsequent time at Aston Martin was already an embarrassment. Stroll should not be getting anywhere as close to a top-level driver as he did when partnered with Vette...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:41 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

I just rewatched the onboard from Russell's car about 5 times and to me it looks like Russell is simply unaware of Alonso's car that is visible slowing before the corner. From what I can see, Alonso wants the best corner exit possible and therefore is trying to reduce the speed of Russell in the pr...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

Oh, I've no doubt that without the big crash there is no penalty. That's because of shoddy stewarding rather than a defence for Alonso though. What is clearly borderline (just judging by the split response from the drivers) is Alonso's driving and whether that was over the line or not. What I think...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:37 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

The last part is a fine line, whether what Alonso did in Australia crossed that line is obviously something that not everyone agrees on. I think it was on the good side, even if somewhat marginal. If blame is to be apportioned to Alonso at all, then it is probably in the order of 30/70 between him ...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:36 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

No, I don't think a driver should take his eyes off the track for more than a split second when closely fighting and trying to overtake another driver. Perhaps this demonstrates a limitation in Russell's armour and it further fuels doubts about his ability overall. They make numerous switch changes...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:34 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8753

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

I am going to look at the onboard of Russell later today. I don’t think though that Alonso made a mistake and I don’t make much of his excuse of some throttle problem. I think Alonso should have stuck to his guns and come out and tell it like it is. I thought that Alonso told the stewards he made a...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:31 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2664

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

So news of Hamilton's demise in a 3 race sample is quickly quelled in a weekend for the first time this season he wasn't experimenting with set up. Focus now perhaps shifts to the demise of Leclerc in a 2 race sample, the season is 24 races long, just saying. Ricciardo's badly mangled chassis, in h...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:26 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

I'm not sure why Hamilton offered to move over. Sure he was slower in stint one which was unlike him but he was much quicker than Russell in the final two stints and lost 10 seconds to the undercut. He said he felt his car was damaged after a collision with Leclerc and then didn't want to hold Russ...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:24 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

Riccardo :thumbdown: , back to bed He was ahead. Albon the Chassis wrecker never got properly alongside. Both Ricciardo and Albon were at fault here I think. Ricciardo for moving over too early and Albon from driving into a disappearing gap. I would say that Albon is an over aggressive driver, as f...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:23 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 98
Views: 2717

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

You have to give credit to Hamilton for persevering with this nonsense. https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046497/1/lewis-hamilton-now-knows-exactly-where-w15-not-strong-enough What nonsense would that be? It is a follow-on from last year. "I know what a car needs". I would wager there a people on this...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:18 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It is not debatable whether Bottas was reliable in qualifying, but whether he is/was a very good qualifier. I don’t think there is anything to back that up. That he beat Hamilton from time to time and ran him close a lot more can also mean that Hamilton underperformed in those sessions. Ahhhh so it...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Barrichello did match Schumacher for pace from time to time, something Irvine was never able to do. Massa in 2005 was probably equal to Barrichello in 2004, but the picture was different when he was paired with Bottas later in his career after driving alongside Alonso and his accident in 2009. I wo...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas sometimes matching and even outperforming Hamilton is something that potentially weighs against his legacy, rather than for it. Barrichello was con...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Just checked on Wikipedia (it is a very long time ago), Barrichello beat all of his teammates from his debut in 1994 to his switch to Ferrari at the back end of 1999. Now these weren't illustrious teammates to be fair. That does not take away from the impression at the time that Barrichello could a...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 707
Views: 44112

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It is a continuation from the back end of last year. You mean the last race of the season, Hamilton had Russell beat the previous 2 races, also in the last half dozen races or so Mercedes were only the 4th best team, again very much an opinion based on recency bias. No, it was the visible decline i...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Games
Topic: 2024 Pick 10 Competition
Replies: 161
Views: 6165

Re: 2024 Pick 10 Competition

I'll take that, I feared the ones that had picked Tsunoda, well done Games Master.
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2664

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

So news of Hamilton's demise in a 3 race sample is quickly quelled in a weekend for the first time this season he wasn't experimenting with set up. Focus now perhaps shifts to the demise of Leclerc in a 2 race sample, the season is 24 races long, just saying. Ricciardo's badly mangled chassis, in h...