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. Basically, Hamilton has almost certainly beaten Vettel, likewise, Vettel has almost certainly beaten Bottas and Raikkonen, HOWEVER, Bottas is only 11 points ahead of Raikkonen. IF Ferrari had any sense they would back Raikkonen to the hilt to try and get him third place in the drivers' championsh...

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So how come Ferrari are suddenly quick again when they have left the upgrade they brought to Austin unused in the pits? I think its going to be a frantic first few laps. No point in playing safe anymore so I expect a few 'prangs', Max usually makes big strides early on Ric is in the mix and Ocon ha...

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Well at least we now know that the Verstopper sausages work. Stopped Max just fine! :lol: Was kind of hoping that Max would be right up there though. Would have been great entertainment watching Sebastian do a gut check about when and where to pass Max. Still it will be fun to watch Seb navigate hi...

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The two stopper could be a genuine option tommorrow. Especially with a track that will be quite 'green'. But if it's any of the front runners they should commit to it early if they decide to go down that route. It was a strategy that Verstappen used well last year, forcing Vettel into a compromised ...

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Super close at the front, did Hamilton run wide at the same point Gasly got his lap disallowed for though? Bit confusing because they showed highlights of Gasly running wide at T9 (With Max and Dan) but he was actually penalised for running wide at T19. Lewis went wide at at T9 too, as did several ...

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Wow super close. It's frustrating for Vettel with that 6 hundreths he missed out on 'pole' by dropping him behind Ricciardo. Raikkonen starting on ultras could be fun, he could be a real nuisance to Hamilton if he gets a good start.

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sandman1347 wrote:
lucifers wrote:why is Hamilton going again on the same set of tyres
He should never have put another lap on those tires.

Really unusual. He was never going to be in danger even with that scruffy first lap.

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It's not arbitrary. Arbitrary means there's arbitration involved: if it is a 100% black and white automatic penalty, there is nothing arbitrary about it. Does a driver really endanger anyone by braking a foot too late and entering the pit lane at 81 km/h instead of 80? No. But they'll get a penalty...

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After FP3 I think it's possible the Ferrari upgrade package has once again changed the pecking order. I can't predict what will happen in qualifying (especially if it's dry). Some on twitter are saying that Hamilton had to back off by half a second in the final sector of his final flying lap. If th...

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It's a bit of a clichè but Vettel must just want this season over and done with so he can regroup and refocus in the winter. Almost everything that can go wrong is going wrong.

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It will be difficult for Leclerc if he starts of in Sebs back pocket. If he's as quick as I suspect he is then he'll be capable of beating Vettel in a fair few races right away and mounting his own challenge for the title assuming the car is good enough. For drivers in leading teams, it is difficul...

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It will be difficult for Leclerc if he starts of in Sebs back pocket. If he's as quick as I suspect he is then he'll be capable of beating Vettel in a fair few races right away and mounting his own challenge for the title assuming the car is good enough. For drivers in leading teams, it is difficult...

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Vettel started the 2018 season driving perhaps as well as he's ever driven, but the mistakes have tended to creep in during 'squeaky bum time'. It was partially true of last season too but not to the same extent. The main difference between this season and last season is that Vettel was still produ...

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Vandoorne switches to Formula E. It's a shame not to see him on the grid next year IMO, I would have liked to see him go up against Kvyat at Toro Rosso, I think his GP2 dominance shows that he had clear potential. I don't think he could be in a more difficult place on the grid in terms of standing ...

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Vettel started the 2018 season driving perhaps as well as he's ever driven, but the mistakes have tended to creep in during 'squeaky bum time'. It was partially true of last season too but not to the same extent. The main difference between this season and last season is that Vettel was still produc...

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Vandoorne switches to Formula E. It's a shame not to see him on the grid next year IMO, I would have liked to see him go up against Kvyat at Toro Rosso, I think his GP2 dominance shows that he had clear potential. I don't think he could be in a more difficult place on the grid in terms of standing ...

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If Red Bull had two Webber level drivers in 2011 instead of Vettel, then there's a good chance that Hamilton doesn't lose his head and start crashing everywhere. Butterfly effect. I highly doubt that. I don't think Hamilton's issues in 2011 had anything to do with Vettel. Actually he flipped out be...

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I'm looking at it I just don't see it. Not trying to be difficult, but I just see Vettel being sliced up and to me Max has acres of room on the outside and just turns in as though Vettel isn't there. I reckon if that had been e.g. Hamilton or Kimi they would have taken a wider line than Max did and...

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It also caught my attention that Ericsson was able to make the medium tyres last the rest of the race following his early pitstop while Leclerc was not. Difficult to say for sure because of how badly Leclerc's race was compromised by Magnussen. Had he been running in the position he should have bee...

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I don't think that's true. Vettel was all over the kerb and still came together with Max, which suggests that there was no space for him on the track, surely? He wasn't on the curb when the contact was made. When he was on the curb he didn't have to be, there was space to the right. I don't see it,...

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There seems to be a running theme that the few in this forum who think this incident was Max's fault tend to be either those who are firmly on record as not liking MV and/or those that defend Ferrari blindly at all costs. Vettel got his front wing level with the back of Verstappen's front tyres but...

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Losing this title as seems likely to happen will be really tough to take for Ferrari. Laat season team and driver made errors, but it was reliability that ultimately sealed the deal. This time the reliability has been bulletproof. Team and driver errors have gone hand in hand. This race was a prime ...

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I'd wait to see where Honda/Red Bull perform next season. They will be a true judge. Don't forget though that Mclaren had the hardest years with that engine which was failing more than Renault by far. Next season will be almost certainly too soon for the Red Bull Honda package to win the title. But...

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There seems to be a running theme that the few in this forum who think this incident was Max's fault tend to be either those who are firmly on record as not liking MV and/or those that defend Ferrari blindly at all costs. Vettel got his front wing level with the back of Verstappen's front tyres but ...

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The budget and commitment Honda have makes me confident they will be competitive next season. Renault will be taking things very seriously as well as they want their Factory team to be a success. Hopefully that leads to the engine gap closing. The relationship between Red Bull and Renault is now so ...

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So I’m old enough to not get into the fanboy arguments but wasn’t Vettel halfway up the inside of Verstappen at Spoon? How is that not a penalty? I know he already had one but really if we’re being fair??? For full disclosure I’m a Ferrari fan since 1985 and I was there at the race (but at the star...

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Coming away without any points has to hurt for Honda. Gasly got hurt by poor strategy and perhaps working the tyres too hard. But Hartley just vanished which sums up his season really. For TR there is definitely value in putting Kvyat in Hartleys seat now.

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At the point of impact Seb has a half-car's width on his inside. He then drifts wide and clouts Max, damaging both their cars. So staying far left is gone straight away. You're right control is only lost post impact, but that doesn't dictate where the blame lies. At the point of impact, either Max ...

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shoot999 wrote:C4. 'I know you can't say, but a little birdy tells me you are in a Williams next year?'
George Russell. 'It's looking good.'

Boom! Good news.

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At the point of impact Seb has a half-car's width on his inside. He then drifts wide and clouts Max, damaging both their cars. So staying far left is gone straight away. You're right control is only lost post impact, but that doesn't dictate where the blame lies. At the point of impact, either Max ...

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As much as I think it is absurd to blame Max for the Vettel coming together, he clearly should have been received greater punishment for the Raikkonen incident.

That was clumsy and dangerous.You have to be more aware when rejoining the track. That could have been quite a nasty incident.

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You're clearly a fan of hyperbole, but I would suggest that discussing the merits of an overtaking move isn't in the same league as trying to claim the earth is flat. [/quote][/quote] There is some crossover. All the evidence and experts point to one point of view, while the other is built on far m...

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https://streamable.com/46jy8 Vettel was never making that turn at that speed with Verstappen already there. What I see is that Vettel duly keeps on the far left, and does not looses control until Max steers into him and makes contact. ThX for posting the proof. I think you need to take the blinkers...

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https://streamable.com/46jy8 Vettel was never making that turn at that speed with Verstappen already there. What I see is that Vettel duly keeps on the far left, and does not looses control until Max steers into him and makes contact. ThX for posting the proof. I think you need to take the blinkers...

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mikeyg123 wrote:With Magnussen getting let off today can we finalise close the book on the Verstappen gets special treatment argument?

Surely they have to review the K-Mag punishment. That's as close to a black flag manoeuvre as I have seen for a while.

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https://streamable.com/46jy8 Vettel was never making that turn at that speed with Verstappen already there. What I see is that Vettel duly keeps on the far left, and does not looses control until Max steers into him and makes contact. ThX for posting the proof. I think you need to take the blinkers...

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- Undisputed dominance of Mercedes, their car looks stable and fast, as well as easiest to drive. - I didn't know that you can turn into half side competitor, who duly keeps his inner line, and make him spin without penalty. In other words, interesting tactics. - Ferrari lost it, clearly is not any...

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- Undisputed dominance of Mercedes, their car looks stable and fast, as well as easiest to drive. - I didn't know that you can turn into half side competitor, who duly keeps his inner line, and make him spin without penalty. In other words, interesting tactics. - Ferrari lost it, clearly is not any...

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- Undisputed dominance of Mercedes, their car looks stable and fast, as well as easiest to drive. - I didn't know that you can turn into half side competitor, who duly keeps his inner line, and make him spin without penalty. In other words, interesting tactics. - Ferrari lost it, clearly is not any...

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pokerman wrote:
mikeyg123 wrote:Ferrari should get Vettel ahead of Kimi.
Does it really matter, it's done now, stick a fork in it.

Exactly. Raikkonen cruising round the last lap 30 seconds off the pace would have been humiliating for him for pretty much no reward.

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