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Chaincase

Gotta be encouraged that Merc seem to have simulated a race stint, with a quick lap to get/defend the undercut then a steady run to 18 laps. Maybe they're starting to chase performance. Or I suppose I should say performance/fuel.

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Having asked the forum for input on what to put in my follow-up question to the EU, this is what I sent: Picture my suprise when I got the following answer on Monday: Thank you for your message. The enforcement of the Tobacco Advertising Directive (Directive 2003/33/EC)* is the responsibility of th...

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Going round in circles with constraints called rules is 'artificial', I don't think that's a useful way of looking at it. For me it's seeing skill that is the name of the game. I'm hoping this year will be Epic, and the only reason it won't be is if FOM give us no information on fuel usage (which is...

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That sort of sounds like Renault have gone a bit radical with their engine, are the possible advantages that Newey talks about in the engine itself? Sounds like the Renault can do something extra if it has a cool enough charge. Hmmm. I don't suppose they've found a way to vary the compression ratio...

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Newey saying Renault's cooling demand are high, for you that's the fire indicating RBR is shopping around? OK then... Newey will seriously hate that though. He's someone who prioritises aero above everything. I remember a March his drivers could barely get in but Gugelmin (I think) cruised past Sen...

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Frankly it's a dream come true for Newey to be on his B aero.

Chaincase

I reckon it's just an echo of 2008 when Monte himself had to meet Kimi and bribe him to support Massa with an extension to his contract - which turned out to be pretty expensive in the end! How is that you know that Luca bribed Kimi to support Massa? Or is this another of your opinions, not necessa...

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I reckon it's just an echo of 2008 when Monte himself had to meet Kimi and bribe him to support Massa with an extension to his contract - which turned out to be pretty expensive in the end! How is that you know that Luca bribed Kimi to support Massa? Or is this another of your opinions, not necessa...

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I reckon it's just an echo of 2008 when Monte himself had to meet Kimi and bribe him to support Massa with an extension to his contract - which turned out to be pretty expensive in the end! Kimi is famously stubborn, as we saw and heard again last year when his team ended up telling him to get the e...

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For me it looks like a question of how well Seb handles an unstable car. We haven't seen that have we? My guess is just based on how fast he is in the first two laps of the race, and that does look like talent to me, but let's see. If it's true that Red Bull are looking to dump Renault that's great ...

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@Blake I love that new line. I have to start a private prosecution against PMI and Ferrari now, otherwise you're right? Is that it? :o I think the point is,if you think it is so blatantly obvious do you really think somebody or a firm would not have taken it to court and won being it is obvious as ...

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@Blake I love that new line. I have to start a private prosecution against PMI and Ferrari now, otherwise you're right? Is that it? :o I think the point is,if you think it is so blatantly obvious do you really think somebody or a firm would not have taken it to court and won being it is obvious as ...

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@Blake I love that new line. I have to start a private prosecution against PMI and Ferrari now, otherwise you're right? Is that it?

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Nobody is arguing that PMI are not sponsoring Ferrari. But there is nothing on the car or clothing. That is why it is legal. Tobacco companies are not outlawed but advertising tobacco products is. I don't think we can dismiss the current logo as 'nothing'. It's far from random, but on the contrary ...

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Why on earth would PMI buy 'credibility'? The rest of your post explains why the EU Commission's excuse for inaction is so wafer thin. PMI have no reason to promote PMI, only their products. Companies do this type of thing all the time. As I said it is the same as buying corporate boxes at sporting...

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They can't put the PMI logo on the car because it appears on at least one brand of their tobacco products. Even though most people would not recognize it or identify it with a brand it would bring you back into the 'bar code' logo which they had to take off. Says who? If it is not illegal to promot...

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Now I look I would also ask if they realise the PMI logo at http://formula1.ferrari.com/partners links to this text: Philip Morris International Inc. (PMI) is the leading international tobacco company, with seven of the world’s top 15 international brands, including Marlboro , the number one cigare...

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I received an e-mail today: Thank you for your message. Whilst our information confirms that Philip Morris (PMI) is listed as a sponsor on Ferrari’s website, we do not consider such a reference a 'commercial communication' in the sense of the European Union law (Directive 2003/33/EC)* on the approx...

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I received an e-mail today: Thank you for your message. Whilst our information confirms that Philip Morris (PMI) is listed as a sponsor on Ferrari’s website, we do not consider such a reference a 'commercial communication' in the sense of the European Union law (Directive 2003/33/EC)* on the approx...

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Zoue wrote:so that supports what Blakes's been saying about the company being promoted, not the cigarette brand.

They are just talking about 'the text' on the Ferrari website.

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I received an e-mail today: Thank you for your message. Whilst our information confirms that Philip Morris (PMI) is listed as a sponsor on Ferrari’s website, we do not consider such a reference a 'commercial communication' in the sense of the European Union law (Directive 2003/33/EC)* on the approx...

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Hi, Prema, There is a way in which one does not have to face a demand for evidence. When one posts that "Ferrari is doing things illegally in regards to their relationship"... then anybody has every right to demand proof, as the statement makes a claim as though it is fact. However, if the statemen...

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Actually the link comes from BRM in 1972. Ferrari tried too be smart and copied it but it drew pressure from WHO and Anti-Tobacco lobbyists because they thought it breached the indirect part of the legislation. And Ferrari removed it. And then the Marlboro from their official name. They haven't had...

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But what is more relevant, in my view, is that Ferrari denied that there was some truth there in the accusations of covert advertising: I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Any company would do the same thing in a press release. It's all about protecting the shareholders. It's naive to imagine any cor...

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But what is more relevant, in my view, is that Ferrari denied that there was some truth there in the accusations of covert advertising: I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Any company would do the same thing in a press release. It's all about protecting the shareholders. It's naive to imagine any cor...

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Actually the link comes from BRM in 1972. Ferrari tried too be smart and copied it but it drew pressure from WHO and Anti-Tobacco lobbyists because they thought it breached the indirect part of the legislation. And Ferrari removed it. And then the Marlboro from their official name. They haven't had...

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The onus on you would be to supply evidence . Not 'proof'. There is nobody to judge proof. The 'proof' gambit in a forum is basically a cheat, often accompanied by a refusal to address selected evidence. As soon as someone starts demanding proof I know they lack evidence and are insincere about dis...

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Spare me the playground 'prove it' thing Blake. 'Prove' something yourself - anything . You can't. I point out the current 'Ferrari' logo came out of nowhere and you dodge the issue with a lot of fakery pretending it's only the shield we're discussing. Same with every specific aspect of the debate....

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Spare me the playground 'prove it' thing Blake. 'Prove' something yourself - anything . You can't. I point out the current 'Ferrari' logo came out of nowhere and you dodge the issue with a lot of fakery pretending it's only the shield we're discussing. Same with every specific aspect of the debate....

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Spare me the playground 'prove it' thing Blake. 'Prove' something yourself - anything . You can't. I point out the current 'Ferrari' logo came out of nowhere and you dodge the issue with a lot of fakery pretending it's only the shield we're discussing. Same with every specific aspect of the debate....

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Spare me the playground 'prove it' thing Blake. 'Prove' something yourself - anything. You can't. I point out the current 'Ferrari' logo came out of nowhere and you dodge the issue with a lot of fakery pretending it's only the shield we're discussing. Same with every specific aspect of the debate. T...

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More info about this topic here: http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/477816/Ferrari_have_technical_tricks_up_their_sleeve_which_may_surprise_Mercedes/ Thanks. I wonder if it could be some kind of decompression system? Different sound... Coasting up to a corner is a well-known fuel-saving techniq...

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I can't see how they can save more fuel than by not injecting any, which any old fuel injection systems does as you say egnat69. I wonder if some journos have mixed this up with the downchanging gear-matching system which istr Ted Kravitz (?) was mentioning at Jerez, which doesn't need the throttle ...

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I actually can read, chaincase.... Don't get me wrong, I am not condoning either tobacco or alcohol. Nor do I smoke or ever have anything beyond an occasional social drink for the very reasons that we should be concerned about. I am not bringing this up as a diversion either. I am just curious wher...

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flash2k11... the association is still there because the open association is not that far removed. Answer this for me... If you had never been aware of F1, and you saw the Ferrari F1 car, would you associate the engine cover logos with Marlboro? No background to draw up except the Marlboro package i...

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It turned up that those "skiing" photos presented here earlier, for example: http://grandprix247.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1300040_eve.jpg …were actually the annual "Wrooom" events sponsored/orginized by PMI for last 23 years! Not just a private event shot by some bypassing tourist and posted ...

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Ah Blake, we meet again :). That's such as surprise!! The shapes are Marlboro box shapes, part of the 'roof' and the main body of the packet. The chances of achieving that logo randomly are probably in the trillions. And it has no history chez Ferrari does it? And no dude I have said I like the Ferr...

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Lol @ the excuse-making. Of course the logo that replaced the barcode contains elements of a Marlboro brand; graphic design is all about creating associations whether conscious or subliminal. Red triangle box tops, white corner slashes, white square corners...where do they come from? Somewhere in Fe...

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Well it's going to be a season for the thinking driver, as well as one who can sense momentum well and pass efficiently when they have to, and maybe be happy with an edgier car than previous years. Nico is supposed to be clever, with his place that he had to do Aeronautical Engineering. Seb has to b...

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Off the top of my head in recent seasons Hamilton and Webber Those aren't examples of the same thing are they? Yes plenty of drivers have had a lead in the wdc and lost it. But who has ever had 2.3 races' worth of points in their pocket and then lost it? That's what JB had after Turkey: 26 points, ...

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