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While I largely agree with you on this incident you've just opened a whole new can of worms and ensured that this thread will go for another 16 pages. This forum could do with a fabulous new record... (And surely it is Hamilton who opened it! :D ) If you no longer go for a can that exists, you are ...

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However, after the last race, Hamilton admitted he was wrong, Lauda called it as Hamilton's mistake, but Toto had a problem with that and said both drivers are wrong, despite one admitting to it. That's not what happened. Hamilton apologized to the team for the end result but was adamant the did no...

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I don't think that Max or the car did anything special in turn 14 and 15, it was just natural concertina effect (cars always looks really close when they are doing 50 mph) plus being unable to follow at top speed through 15. If the Red Bull was a monster in those last corners compared to the Ferrar...

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And your assessment as to what I take issue with is is way off. Not even in the ballpark as to what I am saying.you and many others are holding one driver to a certain standard and the other not, whereas I hold both to the same standard, where one did something wrong to correct his own mistake. Lewi...

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Well if you want to refer to the stewards final ruling you should start at the very beginning… "The incident concerned "started" when Car 6 dropped into an incorrect power mode , as set by the driver prior to the start."1 So Rosberg's own actions created the sequence of events that led to the incid...

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Mark Webber was never associated with anything Red Bull, yet he stayed on and they also tested one of the greatest prospects to EVER sit in an F1 car, Sebastian Loeb and gave it serious consideration and he was far from a young driver. The reason why is because age does not determine quality and ab...

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Well if you want to refer to the stewards final ruling you should start at the very beginning… "The incident concerned "started" when Car 6 dropped into an incorrect power mode , as set by the driver prior to the start."1 So Rosberg's own actions created the sequence of events that led to the incide...

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I started following Jacques when he had hair down to his butt and was racing in Formula Atlantic. I have watched every race he ever participated in. In Formula Atlantic, IMO he was beaten by his team mate. But he did enough, and his name got him a ride in CART. He got on a very good team, but at th...

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I think it's down to traction off the final corner and that DRS is not activated until almost halfway along the pit straight. I recall Vettel holding off a faster Hamilton a few years ago (don't recall the precise year!) largely by virtue of better drive off that corner. Absolutely. It all came dow...

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He didn't use the full width of the track, so he didn't break the rule on another car being alongside and he didn't "crowd" Hamilton beyond the edge of the track because there was still room at the edge of the track that Rosberg didn't use, That's why there was no penalty because the stewards could...

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I think you're failing to take into account a crucial detail here which is the closing speed. Whether Hamilton is alongside or not at the point of leaving the track is irrelevant, you have to consider the point at which he is committed to passing on that side, the point at which the closing speed m...

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Then you don't know a quality driver when you see one. So past it is Kimi that he's matching and sometimes besting one of the most highly regarded drivers in all of F1 in qualifying and races. Kimi will only drive for RB and Merc besides Ferrari. So a lot depends on what happens to Rosberg. I think ...

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Kimi will only drive for RB and Merc besides Ferrari. So a lot depends on what happens to Rosberg. I think if by mid season, his lead is big enough, he'll stay. If he's losing, he might consider another team. Vettel is going nowhere. Merc will likely take Alonso despite all the problems. There's no...

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This makes no sense because 10 days ago he claimed that the power was not enough so they had to save fuel, and that meant around 40 seconds loss over the entire Russian GP just by saving fuel. Sure it does. The engine might very well have a lot of power, they just can't utilize it during a race / q...

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Unless we can see some video on where Rosberg's eyes were focused, no one can prove when he chose to move to his right, before or after he looked in the mirror. One implies a little sloppiness and panic,the other implies malice. Here you go… Skip to 1:40 and watch and listen to Davison say He (Rosb...

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If Rosbreg was in the wrong at Bahrain against Alonso when Alonso did not even get a mm of his car ahead how is he not wrong in Spain? Or Was the decision in Bahrain 2012 incorrect? I know Rosberg would never get a penalty because 1) He retired from the race which always makes a penalty less likely...

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Absolutely agree j man. It seems depending on which driver people fancy, the rule of going for a gap when it exists is either a good argument or a weak one and a move like Rosberg's varies in between good and poor judgement depending on what driver attempts them. The only time you don't go for a ga...

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Once again, further affirmation of my suspicions. Wonder if all this would leave Kimi the odd man out. Would another team look to acquire his services. He is after all looking excellent against Vettel now that some things have been addressed to suit his preferences.

Things are definitely heating up.

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Oh boy, the answer to your questions are right in your very own post. SMH You need to leave a car's width WHEN a significant portion of a car is alongside. The limits of the track are indeed those white lines on both sides, so the area to which one must leave said car's width is to those lines. The ...

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I don't think it's all that bad, but for 2017 the wings are supposed to be wider and lower. This is running that element way up high and farther forward than will be allowed. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they are testing this for new things down the pipe. EDIT: Holy hell batman, what on earth ar...

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Absolutely agree j man. It seems depending on which driver people fancy, the rule of going for a gap when it exists is either a good argument or a weak one and a move like Rosberg's varies in between good and poor judgement depending on what driver attempts them. The only time you don't go for a gap...

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Both drivers were numpties in the sense that each made just one tiny error, which culminated in such high drama. For Rosberg, he made a mistake I believed he would never make, forgot one important item on his checklist. In what used to be done in previous years (the team ticking off the checklist o...

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I created a whole new thread with a post about article 27 but it went missing when I pressed submit. I convinced myself that neither driver was in the wrong and that Hamilton had lost control of the car and they were both unlucky to collide. However, it became clear to me after scrutinising the reg...

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You need to read a bit more of my earlier posts in this thread as well as in other threads. I give Nico PLENTY of praise and applaud his efforts. Lewis likely accepted blame to squash it and be done with this and move forward but I don't think he actually thinks he's at fault in any capacity. You're...

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I've been leaning towards this for a bit now so I'm not surprised. they signed Hamilton to a large deal and Nico is on the last year of his contract and Alonso is not happy AND available. To have arguably the 2 absolute best drivers on the top team… WOW! If it does happen I don't think the fireworks...

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I created a whole new thread with a post about article 27 but it went missing when I pressed submit. I convinced myself that neither driver was in the wrong and that Hamilton had lost control of the car and they were both unlucky to collide. However, it became clear to me after scrutinising the reg...

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The most frustrating bit about this incident is that is was basically caused by a button not being pressed and thus 180hp lost because of it. It's a sad thing to think that rather than F1 drivers having a pedal connected to the engine and they have to control the power through nothing but their foo...

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That the gap was going to close is not a proper argument. Nor is the fact that Rosberg only made one move. Lewis stuck his wing in there while there still was a gap. That's all that is needed for him to be granted a car's width of space. That is what the rules say, they are very clear about this. I...

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Both drivers were numpties in the sense that each made just one tiny error, which culminated in such high drama. For Rosberg, he made a mistake I believed he would never make, forgot one important item on his checklist. In what used to be done in previous years (the team ticking off the checklist o...

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Badgeronimous wrote:I think its hard to say who has the best, but the big 4 teams all have excellent pairings.

Performance differentials are denying us a golden era.

Well said.

Best driver pairing is Lewis & Fernando @ Mercedes in 2017.

You heard it here first, for the second time in a week. LOL

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http://i.imgur.com/X8pdrvr.png This pic sums it all up. Hamilton has been racing open-wheelers for, what, 25 years? Someone with that much experience knows that gap is ALWAYS going to close. Every single time. Hamilton hung his balls out and took a risk, and I admire him for that. But the smart dec...

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And let it be known that I can admit being wrong ;) But you're right that Hamilton had nowhere to go. He's allowed to use part of the track beyond the white line but what do the race organisers put there? Grass. It's lunacy! It's not lunacy. It's a means to discourage drivers from going way off tra...

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Lewis Hamilton drives a Mercedes because of Niki Lauda I'm so tired of this over exaggerated comment. Laura had VERY LITTLE to do with Lewis joining Mercedes. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/niki-lauda-reveals-role-in-lewis-hamiltons-switch-from-mclaren-to-mercedes-8191448.html Whil...

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This thread should have 2 options. Over the entire weekend, Lewis was sensational. That final qualy lap was out of this world superb. I knew he had the speed but thought he'd barely squeak it out over Rosberg and then BAM!!! He laid down the Law! IMPO he's just as good, if not a better qualifier tha...

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Alonso making a 4 stop strategy work for the win is the reference to Spain I think Randine. It's tricky to gauge who was quicker between Dan and Max in the race when they were on the same strat. Ricc was faster in the 1st stint and Max was quicker in the 2nd. That could well be down to Dan looking ...

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Everyone was driving to a delta to save their rubber. Look at Ricciardo's sector times on his in lap at the end of that stint, he had huge amounts of performance left in his pocket. And Verstappens delta was faster then? All the while saving tires to make the two-stopper work? And I looked at his s...

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Lewis Hamilton drives a Mercedes because of Niki Lauda I'm so tired of this over exaggerated comment. Laura had VERY LITTLE to do with Lewis joining Mercedes. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/niki-lauda-reveals-role-in-lewis-hamiltons-switch-from-mclaren-to-mercedes-8191448.html Whil...

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So, what I'm having trouble with even feeling like it needs to be discussed is, what is it that Rosberg should have done differently? He's made a fantastic start and is leading on the first lap of the grand prix and he decides to take a very early and tight line for the right hander (because I susp...

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I don't think Villenueve really faded so much as the formula developed away from him. I also think his first two years are slightly exaggerated by situation. In 96 he had by far the fastest car and a team mate that, in a way, was never really proven. I don't think Hill was ever that incredible for ...

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I thought Fissichella was the absolute dogs *Definitely True*. I probably rated him as the second best driver in F1 01 and 02. Unfortunately he was exposed by Alonso at Renault. I would have predicted he would be able to go toe to toe with Fernando. I still firmly believe that Fisi was top class an...

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