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Tou do realise that this impression is also based on circular logic. Bottas was not trounced by Hamilton, therefore he must be pretty good in a top car. There are other explanations possible of course that do not paint Bottas’ performances in such a great light. Hamilton is a known quantity that's ...

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I thought this comment from Russell was very telling. Caught napping in other words. "Obviously a bit of a strange situation that happened last week. Totally caught by surprise. I was actually looking at the steering wheel, making a switch change in the straight, which, you know, we all do across t...

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I take it you didn't bother to read the stewards' report on the matter? Why do you always hit me with some laborious admin work just to reveal that it was actually 100m before the braking zone not 200m as if it makes any difference to the point about braking unpredictably early or excessively for a...

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It's a circular argument anyway. Bottas was closer to Hamilton than Perez is to Verstappen. We don't know if that's due to Bottas doing better than Perez or if it's to Verstappen doing better than Hamilton. I suppose it could be both. Personally I think Bottas skill set makes him more effective in ...

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I read that this morning, and was a bit surprised myself. Caught napping at breakfast, so to speak. I believe the Mercedes steering wheels have switches at the back, and he may have been operating those. But I don't see him operating a switch on the front of the steering wheel in the relevant on-bo...

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RE the Sauber pitstops.... How on earth can that be allowed to happen. How do you turn up at race 1 not aware of this problem and then how can it take you months to solve something so fundamental. What was this about mikey? I completely missed it x( From the start of the season Sauber have basicall...

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I see. No I don't, but let's just leave it there. The real problem isn't whether Alonso faked a throttle problem or not, it is whether a dangerous situation existed, or a potentially dangerous situation. Perhaps even more pressing is the question what kind of penalty will be given now for truly dan...

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I asked a question, which you might have understood from the use of the ? at the end. I gave my answer which you quickly dismissed, since then other more prominent figures have come up with the same answer. I see. No I don't, but let's just leave it there. The real problem isn't whether Alonso fake...

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It's a circular argument anyway. Bottas was closer to Hamilton than Perez is to Verstappen. We don't know if that's due to Bottas doing better than Perez or if it's to Verstappen doing better than Hamilton. I suppose it could be both. Personally I think Bottas skill set makes him more effective in ...

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It's a circular argument anyway. Bottas was closer to Hamilton than Perez is to Verstappen. We don't know if that's due to Bottas doing better than Perez or if it's to Verstappen doing better than Hamilton. I suppose it could be both. Personally I think Bottas skill set makes him more effective in ...

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I think something that is being missed here just observing is the difficulty passing/following conparivetly between 2019 and 2022. There's a fair few races in 2022 where Max would have lost without the incredibly easy passes he could make in 2022 (e.g. Spa). In 2019 starting down the grid for whatev...

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Some may think that while others will realise that Red Bull are a far better team and Verstappen has a dominant car with no competition. So the same as Hamilton in 2019 and 2020? Verstappen has had a dominant car since Belgium 2022. That's 34 races. Verstappen has won 28 of them. He's failed to win...

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I don't think it's enough to make a difference. Depends on what you value in a driver. Broadly speaking, you can categorize driver performance in 3 separate scenarios. 1. How they perform in dominant conditions 2. How they perform in equal best car 3. How they perform in an inferior car I also put ...

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The rules are inconsistent because of different stewards who are able to interpret things differently, it's hard to pressure for more coherent rules and stewarding when so many think that Alonso did no wrong, we have to wonder why a series like Indycars are able to produce consistent and coherent r...

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Hmmm ... you have now changed your tune from overstepping the line to cheating, I wonder why? But of course the latter is even easier. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/apr/02/lewis-hamilton-disqualified-australian-grand-prix By the why, when has another top drive ever cheated? Back to the ori...

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Do you think that drivers should drive in a predictable manner? This is the essential question that is being asked. I think that brake testing and moving in braking zones should not be allowed. Fair enough, it is a valid stance in this discussion. I think unsettling another driver by lifting premat...

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The 2016 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix is the first race that comes to mind, but generally I don't keep track of individual races and incidents. lol, lmao even I ask you for times when Hamilton has, using the word a little loosely, cheated; and you reference a time when he has not broken any rules or put an...

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Exediron wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:32 pm

ChapmanBaxter wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:34 pm
Oh look it's another thread turning into Hamilton Vs Verstappen.

Bloody bed wetters.
Hamilton vs Verstappen has quickly become the Godwin's Law of Formula 1 discussion...

Indeed

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I think you misunderstand me. The mould is doing everything to win , including throwing your team under the bus if necessary. Hamilton just goes about it in a different way and has a calculated approach in wheel-to-wheel racing where the chances of him coming off well are vastly higher than the oth...

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Exactly, Hamilton is much too calculated to crash people out. You an speculate that its a calculated decision but theres nothing that supports it; more likely he just doesn't think that's the right way to go racing, maybe it is his British sense of sporting fairness :lol: Either way though then he ...

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Exactly, Hamilton is much too calculated to crash people out. Which is plainly wrong then, Silverstone 2021 comes to mind, however that wasn't deliberate or underhand which is the point being made. Exactly, it was calculated. If it was calculated then you're saying that Hamilton deliberately put Ve...

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You don't have to be British to show a British bias. I am biased to the US although I only have visited the country a few times, it is not by nationality alone. The real difference of course is that many here applaud Hamilton for his clean driving, whilst Hamilton is just being a whole lot more cle...

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You don't have to be British to show a British bias. I am biased to the US although I only have visited the country a few times, it is not by nationality alone. The real difference of course is that many here applaud Hamilton for his clean driving, whilst Hamilton is just being a whole lot more cle...

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It is pretty clear who is us and who is them. It is all a matter of perspective. https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/alonso-british-bias-verstappen-bad-guys/6642173/ It is interesting that you mention Vettel and Verstappen and indirectly Alonso and not some of the British drivers. Who have all been s...

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Personally feel that Sainz is under rated. Sure he isn't an elite driver, but he is a guy who could get a WDC in the right circumstances. His race awareness, race management, and defence is amongst the best on the grid. He just lacks a tenth or two and consistency that the very best have. I wouldnt...

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It is pretty clear who is us and who is them. It is all a matter of perspective. https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/alonso-british-bias-verstappen-bad-guys/6642173/ It is interesting that you mention Vettel and Verstappen and indirectly Alonso and not some of the British drivers. Who have all been s...

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So how has the stewarding become political then in your view? Which decisions of the Stewards cannot be considered impartial but political in nature? There must be heaps of examples for you to take such a line without referring to a specific driver. Well, we recently learnt that the FIA president h...

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Personally feel that Sainz is under rated. Sure he isn't an elite driver, but he is a guy who could get a WDC in the right circumstances. His race awareness, race management, and defence is amongst the best on the grid. He just lacks a tenth or two and consistency that the very best have. I wouldnt...

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Were we not recently frustrated by Norris not getting a jump start penalty? A decision you defended. Though I don't think this was political. I'll throw in a Hamilton one to quell your temper - he should have had a grid drop in Abu Dhabi for a 3rd reprimand. If he hadn't gotten excluded from Qualify...

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Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps Hamilton is desperately searching for that perfect set up, because he cannot drive around problems in a way that some other drivers are able to? It all comes across as a lot of excuses, again. How do you conclude Hamilton cannot drive around problems having ...

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No, I think his results would be worse. Russell is now outperforming Hamilton and that cannot be a good sign. If the car was far better perhaps Hamilton wouldn't be wasting Friday's on extreme set ups even then in the 2 races finished Hamilton was just 3 seconds and then 7 seconds behind Russell, t...

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The 4 elite talents to break through in my years of watching F1. Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen. 3 of them showed up in F1 and you realised they were very special within a few races of their debut. Alonso took a little longer, but it may have been equipment. Once he had a decent car he...

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He finished third, but based on the first three races this season he is looking nowhere near capable of repeating the feat even if Mercedes had a similar car to last year compared to the rest of the field. No because he is now in the 4th/5th fastest car so that will give you that impression, strang...

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OK, so do you think Hamilton is as good as he's ever been? I'm not interested in what you think other people think. What do you think? I said because of his age probably not, beyond that I don't really have a reference point. OK so you agree he's probably declined then. So why are you arguing again...

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I concure with most on here who have said Vettel after Baku 2017 And Verstappen after Saudi 2021. I also would like to add in gasly for after suzuka 2022. His actions during the safety car period were such that he put other lives at risk by doing 230+ kph during a neutralised race period in which r...

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Sainz wouldn't be a good fit at Red Bull imo, he prefers a car with a stable rear and Max a car with as much front end as possible.

Completely contrasting styles

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Brake test or whatever, its poor from a pro driver in that scenario to panic at the helm and go off..he wasnt that close In other news, alonso gets twice the penalty that max got for jeddah 2021, a far more obvious amd dangerous move. Alonso did similar in defense on hamilton hungary 2021 turn 1 ex...

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I think calling it a brake test is a little unfair, even if it technically was one. The spirit of what Alonso was doing, wasn't to brake test Russell in the way we understand the term brake test. I've no reason to disbelieve Alonso, his recount seems like what he was trying to do, and what happened...

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mikeyg123 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:11 pm
Had Leclerc qualified ahead of Sainz I think he would have won the race.

Even if he qualified in front of Norris I think he wins

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I think they need to just come out and say if you mess about braking unnecessarily before a DRS detection zone it's a brake check and you'll be punished - ofcourse they would never follow up on it but it'd stop some of these stupid games.

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