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TheThirdTenor

We don't know that until the situation arises. Kimi isn't Massa. Kimi is Kimi and he doesn't do team orders. Except he did, in china 2008. Why do u have this idea that Kimi is above the team and can do what he wants? I don't. But the fact Ferrari have even signed him again shows they admit they mad...

TheThirdTenor

The Third Tenor, Ferrari haven't even been close to the WCC since 2008. In 2009 yes they had a bad car but in 2010 and 2012 they had an under performing number 2 driver in Massa. In 2012 in particular if they had a stronger back up for Alonso both they could have won the WCC and Alonso could have w...

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What happened to the Alonso fans who said Massa has only ever moved over when he's been completly out of WDC contention? If Massa had won in Germany he'd only have been a win behind Alonso in the title standings, he'd have been nearer Alonso than Alonso was to Hamilton! Ferrari took Massa's chances...

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What happened to the Alonso fans who said Massa has only ever moved over when he's been completly out of WDC contention? If Massa had won in Germany he'd only have been a win behind Alonso in the title standings, he'd have been nearer Alonso than Alonso was to Hamilton! Ferrari took Massa's chances...

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Can't blame Alonso. Even Schumi was afraid of Kimi! Yeah, right :lol: ! If he wasn't afraid of a confrontation with the driver many considered the fastest man in F1, why didn't he stay at Ferrari? Nobody forced him out. Logically speaking, if Montezemolo said in 2008 that it wouldn't make sense to ...

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Ferrari are putting their eggs in two baskets this time, either driver has strengths and weaknesses. But for the record, when Alonso was close to winning the title, he has come up short. When Raikkonen was in a position to go after the title, he won it. What horse would you bet on going down the ho...

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The Third Tenor, Ferrari haven't even been close to the WCC since 2008. In 2009 yes they had a bad car but in 2010 and 2012 they had an under performing number 2 driver in Massa. In 2012 in particular if they had a stronger back up for Alonso both they could have won the WCC and Alonso could have w...

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Laura23 wrote: We don't know that until the situation arises. Kimi isn't Massa. Kimi is Kimi and he doesn't do team orders.

Except he did, in china 2008.

Why do u have this idea that Kimi is above the team and can do what he wants?

TheThirdTenor

So if Kimi does beat Alonso next seasons wonder how long it'll be before Alonso kicks off a la 2007. We all know he doesn't like it when his team mate gets close to him, never mind beats him. Kimi is the type not to rise to words either. I think Alonso is in for a little bit of a shock and perhaps ...

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Forget Redbull insiders, if alonso himself knows that he is faster than kimi by some margin, he would not be so agitated by kimi's arrival at ferrari like he has been the last few days. Samurai tweets and all I would think he is agitated because he knows Kimi will not play patsy like Massa did I do...

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So if Kimi does beat Alonso next seasons wonder how long it'll be before Alonso kicks off a la 2007. We all know he doesn't like it when his team mate gets close to him, never mind beats him. Kimi is the type not to rise to words either. I think Alonso is in for a little bit of a shock and perhaps ...

TheThirdTenor

Forget Redbull insiders, if alonso himself knows that he is faster than kimi by some margin, he would not be so agitated by kimi's arrival at ferrari like he has been the last few days. Samurai tweets and all I would think he is agitated because he knows Kimi will not play patsy like Massa did I do...

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Fiki wrote:If Ferrari make the same mistakes with Räikkönen they made before, then Alonso will beat him. And Ferrari will be casting nervous looks towards Red Bull and Vettel again.

What mistake was that?

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I hope he goes to another team where he can salvage his reputation by proving he is still as good as ever and was unfairly judged and bashed over the last 4 years by people who failed to understand or accept how good his team mate is, and how average his cars have been . I couldn't agree more. Ive ...

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Old news, no link, wrong contract length, wrong thread, still not official... what else? See above & BBC - its confirmed. Yes but where's the announcement from Ferrari? I think its done. They are waiting to make a decision on (or from) Alonso. # Alonso clearly wanted Massa and lost the battle to ke...

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ColdWinter wrote:
Obviously Newey only wants the best driving his car.

Can't say I blame him as his reputation is on the line every year as well.

I guess that's why
Schumacher never drove one of his cars?

TheThirdTenor

Another Alonso bash thread

*yawn*

TheThirdTenor

Forget Redbull insiders, if alonso himself knows that he is faster than kimi by some margin, he would not be so agitated by kimi's arrival at ferrari like he has been the last few days. Samurai tweets and all so you've been hanging around with Alonso the last few days? :lol: I think you've misunder...

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Forget Redbull insiders, if alonso himself knows that he is faster than kimi by some margin, he would not be so agitated by kimi's arrival at ferrari like he has been the last few days. Samurai tweets and all I would think he is agitated because he knows Kimi will not play patsy like Massa did Chin...

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keenf1fan wrote:Forget Redbull insiders, if alonso himself knows that he is faster than kimi by some margin, he would not be so agitated by kimi's arrival at ferrari like he has been the last few days. Samurai tweets and all

so you've been hanging around with Alonso the last few days?

TheThirdTenor

So what if Kimi gets slade. Andrea Stella is a 6 time race engineer champion. Wasn't he schumis race engineer and then Kimis in 07? So Fernando can not complain really. Kimi is happy and Fernando keeps his ongoing relationship with Stella going. That Is all assuming the obvious actually happens. On...

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Well that is something only Schumacher and Ferrari know. It was fairly clear he had the intention of bringing them to Ferrari from word go. Schumacher had a huge influence on who Ferrari picked for the team at the time. Both he and Todt wanted to build their own super team. It worked brilliantly. T...

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That's all conjecture. Ferrari have never in the past let a driver bring his favourite race engineer with him. I don't see why that would change now. but do you know for sure if they've never let anyone or if it's just never been an issue? I can't think of a reason why a team wouldn't allow a drive...

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Didn't Schumacher build the team he wanted around him? he didn't pick his own race engineer. No he did much more than that. He hand picked the chief car designer, Byrne, and the technical director, Brawn. Far more important than a solitary race engineer. He didn't hand pick them. He recommended Bra...

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Seanie wrote: Didn't Schumacher build the team he wanted around him?

he didn't pick his own race engineer.

TheThirdTenor

I'll miss Felipe if he leaves the sport, which looks likely. I'd love to see the old Felipe back in a Lotus or back to Sauber though. Not to mention I'll miss the hell out of Rob Smedley. Where is Rob going ? And why ? I doubt that Smedley will be out of a job, but Kimi is said to be bringing his w...

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PT03 wrote:Can't wait to hear Kimi's reply to Rob Smedly on the radio....... 'Fernando is faster than you' ..........

Kimi received team orders before you know? and he obeyed them.

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That's all conjecture. Ferrari have never in the past let a driver bring his favourite race engineer with him. I don't see why that would change now. but do you know for sure if they've never let anyone or if it's just never been an issue? I can't think of a reason why a team wouldn't allow a drive...

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Give Massa a top car and he'll get regular podiums. Im all for defending the guy as I like him.... but he has had a top car for the last 3 years, he hasnt been getting regular podiums. Well i guess it depends how we define a "top car". I meant if Ferrari returned to their 2007/08 level, but i proba...

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Kimi will likely bring Mark Slade with him. Ferrari have apparently bent over backwards to accommodate Kimi and I'd imagine he'll be allowed to bring his race engineer if he wants to. Smedley will probably go where Massa goes anyway. Why would Ferrari bend over backwards for Kimi? Even when they go...

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Kimi will likely bring Mark Slade with him. Ferrari have apparently bent over backwards to accommodate Kimi and I'd imagine he'll be allowed to bring his race engineer if he wants to. Smedley will probably go where Massa goes anyway. Why would Ferrari bend over backwards for Kimi? Even when they go...

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Not all of the time. In 2010 the Ferrari and Red Bull were fairly even through much of the year until Red Bull finally pulled away. In 2011 yes it was the class of the field. In 2012 McLaren had the best car but unlike Red Bull didn't utilise what they had. In 2013 the Mercedes has been pretty clos...

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Kimi will likely bring Mark Slade with him. Ferrari have apparently bent over backwards to accommodate Kimi and I'd imagine he'll be allowed to bring his race engineer if he wants to. Smedley will probably go where Massa goes anyway. Why would Ferrari bend over backwards for Kimi? Even when they go...

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I'll miss Felipe if he leaves the sport, which looks likely. I'd love to see the old Felipe back in a Lotus or back to Sauber though. Not to mention I'll miss the hell out of Rob Smedley. Where is Rob going ? And why ? I doubt that Smedley will be out of a job, but Kimi is said to be bringing his w...

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I'll miss Felipe if he leaves the sport, which looks likely. I'd love to see the old Felipe back in a Lotus or back to Sauber though. Not to mention I'll miss the hell out of Rob Smedley. Where is Rob going ? And why ? I doubt that Smedley will be out of a job, but Kimi is said to be bringing his w...

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Not all of the time. In 2010 the Ferrari and Red Bull were fairly even through much of the year until Red Bull finally pulled away. In 2011 yes it was the class of the field. In 2012 McLaren had the best car but unlike Red Bull didn't utilise what they had. In 2013 the Mercedes has been pretty clos...

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No such thing. No drivers really want either oversteer or understeer, they want a perfect balance, and each driver has their own set of engineers so they can always set the car to each preference, its just standard. So which is it; Everyone has the same demands or own set of preferences? the 2 are ...

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I think Ferrari engineers are going to have a tougher time from the rumour their engine is supposedly going to be the weakest on the grid. Source? I think they should make sure all engines are exactly the same, either this or let the factory teams improve the engines all the time. I think the Renau...

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To me titles dont matter (so I agree with some fellow antis) Its the menner they are won but in my book Seb has done all kinds 2010 - Underdog was only the underdog because he made himself the underdog by making many mistakes throughout the season 2011 - Super Dominance agree 2012 - Close Fight clo...

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Saw it coming. Ferrari can't afford to have a 2nd subpar driver forever. The total amount of points difference in all the years between FA and FM has been massive and they need to get a more solid position in the WCC. For 2014 I want to find a team that will give me a competitive car to win many ot...

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