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Well if you enjoy F1 and don't enjoy german drivers you must have had a hard time the last 15 years?

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That's the right attitude to have, let's hope for a good 2013 for McLaren and Perez, perhaps the first WCC since, what was it, 98?

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slide wrote:i think somebodys ego is being stroked for future reference, lol

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It's Sebastian Vettel, WDC and WCC 2010-2012.
Anything else is pure opinions, F1 is a points game.

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Who would want to give up the best toys and the best team? He shouldn't care about what the fans of other drivers or so called experts think he should do, we haven't had a team combined driver in this flow since Schumachers 2000 serie, why give that up? Nah keep whipping them and see them get grumpi...

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I can't find a correlation between the article and the thread title? Nothing new in the article IMO, every success needs a lot of things to come together? That's what's been the strength by Vettel and Red Bull to maximize the rules, strategy and the teamwork and with a little help from some accident...

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Vettel and Alonso took a leap forward and dominated 2012.
Red Bull domination wont last forever, I believe McLaren had them but lost due to different reasons.

That Kimi still had it in him.
That Lewis and Jenson as a couple didn't result in any title at all is hard to explain.

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IMO McLaren have a huge potential for 2013, they where the fastest car in 2012, best pitstops and broke the Red Bull domination in qualifying.

As a second to that I Believe Ferrari has a leap forward to do.

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Some of the posters think if they can prove its McLarens fault in 2007 that means Alonso is innocent! Those are not related, McLaren was ultimately the bad guy there, and they paid for it, what I'm trying to highlight is Alonso's screwed up behaviour who put the team in that situation . Especially ...

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2003 Raikkonen 2 points away due to bad McLaren reliability

2008 Massa 1 point away due to Singapore crash

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Going through old article is very entertaining. If McLaren were not caught, they would've still lost the WCC to Ferrari, again, because of Alonso. In Hungary, it's not that only Alonso got the penalty, the team got their points from that GP docked (need to double check), so that will make Ferrari h...

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They had the fastest car in 2012, if they can sort it out it will almost certainly be a contender in 2012.

Perhaps the first WCC since 1998?

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Going through old article is very entertaining. If McLaren were not caught, they would've still lost the WCC to Ferrari, again, because of Alonso. In Hungary, it's not that only Alonso got the penalty, the team got their points from that GP docked (need to double check), so that will make Ferrari h...

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Amazing season 9/10 from me, noone could touch Vettel and Alonso 2012, but he came closest.

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Yes it was his driving, Ofcourse he's gionna say he was struglling with the setup and tyres. People should know Jenson by now. He is always complaing about the car the, the tyres ect. (Im sounding like Senna in the movie but its true) He only just managed squeeze 7 points in 6 races thats not a top...

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Noone can know what impact it will have, Lewis have had some serious team damaging issues during the years he has been at McLaren, perhaps Jenson - Perez will do what Lewis never acchieved, a WCC for McLaren?

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1. Kimi
2. Maldonado

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Sebastian Vettel Fernando Alonso Kimi Räikkönen Lewis Hamilton Jenson Button Mark Webber Felipe Massa Sergio Perez Nico Hulkenberg Nico Rosberg Michael Schumacher Romain Grosjean Paul di Resta Kamui Kobayashi Pastor Maldonado Bruno Senna Jean-Eric Vergne Daniel Ricciardo Timo Glock Charles Pic Vital...

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Look, Jenson is obviously a world class driver who can win the world championship next year but as he has said himself, he needs the car 100% to his liking. Now Lewis has gone, he will have the car developed to his liking, he won't have a team mate infront of him in Quali and to be fair he does hav...

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No. Hamilton's problems have stemmed largely from reliability this season. Without them he would likely be WDC. Last year the Mclaren just wasn't fast enough, same as the year before. Nothing to do with Hamilton or his team mate. Exactly this. :thumbup: It wouldn't have mattered who Lewis' team mat...

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Amazing set of records for Vettel, will he keep on like Schumacher?
So many records divided by those 2.

Congratulations!

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Has to be RB8, a conecpt that worked out in the end, only challenged by McLaren MP4-27.
Honorary mention for Kimi placing the Lotus, (did he race every lap?), and Alonso the Ferrari higher than it should have been with any other driver.
On occasions the Williams and Sauber.

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Well the pressure is definitely on them now, how long will Mercedes be a midfield team quitely?
Probably better chance in 2014?

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Vettel, 3 years in a row is no coinsidince.
Alonso, he will probably won this one as he is by most people considered #1 right now, but I'll plave Vettel above right now.

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Tough call between Massa and Jenson, but I went for Jenson, built up a 50 sec lead before SC

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If he can keep the pace up I would love to see him backed by Alonso, that would rise some eyebrows

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1. Vettel, three years in a row dowsn't happen by itself, worthy champion 2. Alonso, by many considered to be the #1 3. Kimi, mighty impressed by his comeback season 4. Hamilton,, much approved from 2011, last season in a top car? 5. Button, strange issues with a grand finale, somewhere 50 secs ahea...

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Mighty impressed that they beat Mclaren both in WDC and WCC with that car.

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1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Kimi
4. Hamilton
5. Jenson Button
6. pastor Maldonado
7. Nico Hulkenberg
8. Mark Webber
9. Sergio Perez
10. Nico Rosberg

That's it for me

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No buts at all, it was a great championship. /Thread

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Ron is a bitter old goat at the best of the time, remember the "we were racing Fernando" comment. :lol: To be fair the way Alonso acted i'm suprised Ron didn't sack him with immediate effect, not really that bitter ;) Could have held him to his contract and as #2. Being a sadistic peaky thats what ...

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Let's hope for an Amazing end off this (?) part of Lewis journey with McLaren.

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By the form the McLaren has been this year if they can be more consistent next year it might be Perez.

Webber could be y second choice, but it seems that the Red Bull is more geared towards Vettel, but who knows in 2013 he might Catch up?

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Why on Earth should Lewis move over for anyone? This is perhaps the last race for a long time that he can enjoy to have the fastest car out there, let him enjoy it, no pressure what so ever..

Let Fernando and Vettel sort the title out by themselves.

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1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Kimi
4. Hamilton
5. Webber

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I'm just saying there is more than one version of the events of that day, from different, independent sources. We will likely never know the full truth but there are enough reports to merit raising questions about what actually happened. Well you have a choice of what to believe, the Guardian/a bri...

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I'm just saying there is more than one version of the events of that day, from different, independent sources. We will likely never know the full truth but there are enough reports to merit raising questions about what actually happened. Well you have a choice of what to believe, the Guardian/a bri...

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Bullshit. He is a cheater and should have been in jail So should the likes of Alonso and McLaren be jailed for their own cheating crimes in F1? If Alonso was so much of an inch involved in crashgate , he should be. Honestly I find it bizzare that he didnt even know about it. But thats besides the p...

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Wonder how many times Mercedes will wnat to hear that, we have to give the season up?

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