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by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Barrichello did match Schumacher for pace from time to time, something Irvine was never able to do. Massa in 2005 was probably equal to Barrichello in 2004, but the picture was different when he was paired with Bottas later in his career after driving alongside Alonso and his accident in 2009. I wo...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:14 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas sometimes matching and even outperforming Hamilton is something that potentially weighs against his legacy, rather than for it. Barrichello was con...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Just checked on Wikipedia (it is a very long time ago), Barrichello beat all of his teammates from his debut in 1994 to his switch to Ferrari at the back end of 1999. Now these weren't illustrious teammates to be fair. That does not take away from the impression at the time that Barrichello could a...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It is a continuation from the back end of last year. You mean the last race of the season, Hamilton had Russell beat the previous 2 races, also in the last half dozen races or so Mercedes were only the 4th best team, again very much an opinion based on recency bias. No, it was the visible decline i...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:48 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Games
Topic: 2024 Pick 10 Competition
Replies: 144
Views: 5867

Re: 2024 Pick 10 Competition

I'll take that, I feared the ones that had picked Tsunoda, well done Games Master.
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2548

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

So news of Hamilton's demise in a 3 race sample is quickly quelled in a weekend for the first time this season he wasn't experimenting with set up. Focus now perhaps shifts to the demise of Leclerc in a 2 race sample, the season is 24 races long, just saying. Ricciardo's badly mangled chassis, in h...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:49 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?
Replies: 323
Views: 16863

Re: So... who replaces Lewis at Mercedes?

Read some news about Vettel potentially being in the running to replace Lewis. I hope that is untrue; he was past it by 2018 and the subsequent time at Aston Martin was already an embarrassment. Stroll should not be getting anywhere as close to a top-level driver as he did when partnered with Vette...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:12 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 84
Views: 2182

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Race Thread

t2jd1967 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:48 pm
You have to give credit to Hamilton for persevering with this nonsense.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046497/1 ... ong-enough
What nonsense would that be?
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8632

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

The last part is a fine line, whether what Alonso did in Australia crossed that line is obviously something that not everyone agrees on. I think it was on the good side, even if somewhat marginal. If blame is to be apportioned to Alonso at all, then it is probably in the order of 30/70 between him ...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8632

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

Oh, I've no doubt that without the big crash there is no penalty. That's because of shoddy stewarding rather than a defence for Alonso though. What is clearly borderline (just judging by the split response from the drivers) is Alonso's driving and whether that was over the line or not. What I think...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8632

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

Even If I except all this.... Are you really continuing to argue that it's fine for a driver to drive in a manor that relies on other drivers having this super power? The last part is a fine line, whether what Alonso did in Australia crossed that line is obviously something that not everyone agrees...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8632

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

I will give you this nice bit of science to digest. Yes, I expect drivers to use a whole lot more peripheral vision than ordinary people do and be a lot better at processing a lot of information simultaneously. A boss I used to work for, who was very athletic by all accounts and could probably have...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8632

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

I thought this comment from Russell was very telling. Caught napping in other words. "Obviously a bit of a strange situation that happened last week. Totally caught by surprise. I was actually looking at the steering wheel, making a switch change in the straight, which, you know, we all do across t...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:19 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

The relevance lies is that Bottas for all intents and purposes is not an accurate yardstick, this has been clear all along, and we can see that play out at Sauber. That gets countered with excuses as in “Bottas does not really try” or “Bottas is only good in a top car”. That than leads some to give...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Barrichello was clearly much better than Irvine but could not trouble Schumacher. That does not mean that he and Bottas were of a similar level of course. I think much better is stretching it, he was a bit better. I haven't looked into it much but I think that Barrichello and Massa are probably abo...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:13 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Sorry you've lost me a bit, what is the relevance of Barrichello? regarding Bottas or the certainty by which we can judge drivers against Hamilton? Honestly I don't remember anything about barrichellos pre-ferrari career it was before my time, he was a prospect sure but only in the same way I remem...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:09 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Just checked on Wikipedia (it is a very long time ago), Barrichello beat all of his teammates from his debut in 1994 to his switch to Ferrari at the back end of 1999. Now these weren't illustrious teammates to be fair. That does not take away from the impression at the time that Barrichello could a...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:05 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

There is no such thing as a known quantity when it comes to drivers in Formula One. Ofcourse, but it's about as good as you're going to get. Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas someti...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:57 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas sometimes matching and even outperforming Hamilton is something that potentially weighs against his legacy, rather than for it. Barrichello was con...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:54 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

There is no such thing as a known quantity when it comes to drivers in Formula One. Ofcourse, but it's about as good as you're going to get. Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas someti...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Tou do realise that this impression is also based on circular logic. Bottas was not trounced by Hamilton, therefore he must be pretty good in a top car. There are other explanations possible of course that do not paint Bottas’ performances in such a great light. What's basically being said is that ...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

That is not what I meant of course. Which is why I wrote 2025 and 2056. Hamilton may still surprise us this year, but it looks like far less likely than what could expected based on the pre-season comments that either he or the team made. You're clearly basing it on just 3 races, Hamilton finished ...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:50 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas sometimes matching and even outperforming Hamilton is something that potentially weighs against his legacy, rather than for it. Barrichello was con...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:46 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Just checked on Wikipedia (it is a very long time ago), Barrichello beat all of his teammates from his debut in 1994 to his switch to Ferrari at the back end of 1999. Now these weren't illustrious teammates to be fair. That does not take away from the impression at the time that Barrichello could a...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:44 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas sometimes matching and even outperforming Hamilton is something that potentially weighs against his legacy, rather than for it. Barrichello was con...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:41 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2548

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

So news of Hamilton's demise in a 3 race sample is quickly quelled in a weekend for the first time this season he wasn't experimenting with set up. Focus now perhaps shifts to the demise of Leclerc in a 2 race sample, the season is 24 races long, just saying. Ricciardo's badly mangled chassis, in hi...
by pokerman
Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread
Replies: 89
Views: 2548

Re: 2024 Japanese Grand Prix Free Practice & Qualifying Thread

MEF24 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:59 am
Lewis worried about pole position as usual...your fighting for 4th wake up
Yeah just forget what Verstappen is doing in a much better car, I'm sure that's not who Russell has as his target.
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas sometimes matching and even outperforming Hamilton is something that potentially weighs against his legacy, rather than for it. Barrichello was con...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:03 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

There is no such thing as a known quantity when it comes to drivers in Formula One. Ofcourse, but it's about as good as you're going to get. Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas someti...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:52 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread
Replies: 488
Views: 8632

Re: 2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Thread

I gave my answer which you quickly dismissed, since then other more prominent figures have come up with the same answer. I see. No I don't, but let's just leave it there. The real problem isn't whether Alonso faked a throttle problem or not, it is whether a dangerous situation existed, or a potenti...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

There is no such thing as a known quantity when it comes to drivers in Formula One. Ofcourse, but it's about as good as you're going to get. Hamilton has been sitting on the top of the pile for 8 years (2014-2020). The inherent problem is that many factors contributed to that outcome. Bottas someti...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:26 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Tou do realise that this impression is also based on circular logic. Bottas was not trounced by Hamilton, therefore he must be pretty good in a top car. There are other explanations possible of course that do not paint Bottas’ performances in such a great light. Hamilton is a known quantity that's ...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:19 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It's a circular argument anyway. Bottas was closer to Hamilton than Perez is to Verstappen. We don't know if that's due to Bottas doing better than Perez or if it's to Verstappen doing better than Hamilton. I suppose it could be both. Personally I think Bottas skill set makes him more effective in ...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:17 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

I think if Hamilton has another two years like this (as in 2025 and 2026), it will hurt his legacy and more emphasis will be put on the cars he was driving. 3 races makes a season now plus Hamilton would make mincemeat out of Perez. That is not what I meant of course. Which is why I wrote 2025 and ...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:11 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Races Hamilton lost in 2019-2020 Australia 2019 - jumped at the start by Bottas, picked up floor damage during the race, I find it difficult to imagine that he would’ve been able to overtake around the old Melbourne layout. That track was poor for passing. Baku 2019 - outraced by Bottas Austria 201...
by pokerman
Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:02 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It just shows you know everything about Red Bull but nothing about Mercedes, slow pitstops, strategy blunders, how Red Bull operate is on a different level, they managed to get Hamilton penalised in the opening race of the 2020 season by presenting evidence to the stewards that he had not slowed do...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:45 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It's a circular argument anyway. Bottas was closer to Hamilton than Perez is to Verstappen. We don't know if that's due to Bottas doing better than Perez or if it's to Verstappen doing better than Hamilton. I suppose it could be both. Personally I think Bottas skill set makes him more effective in ...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:42 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It's a circular argument anyway. Bottas was closer to Hamilton than Perez is to Verstappen. We don't know if that's due to Bottas doing better than Perez or if it's to Verstappen doing better than Hamilton. I suppose it could be both. Personally I think Bottas skill set makes him more effective in ...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

It just shows you know everything about Red Bull but nothing about Mercedes, slow pitstops, strategy blunders, how Red Bull operate is on a different level, they managed to get Hamilton penalised in the opening race of the 2020 season by presenting evidence to the stewards that he had not slowed do...
by pokerman
Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:35 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 693
Views: 43382

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Races Verstappen has lost in the ground effect era Australia 2024 - car failure Singapore 2023 - car nowhere near quick enough Baku 2023 - leading until the safety car gave Perez a free pit stop Jeddah 2023 - quickest in Q1 by half a second but car fails in Q2 Brazil 2022 - car not quick enough as ...