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Gumption

The same rookie who only tied Alonso due to having full team support and also had his daddy go to the stewards and get Alonso penalized for retaliating in Hungary. You know, when Hamilton violated team orders. No need to go into details, it's irrelevant anyway and it's been discussed to death. He w...

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Who's complaining? What excuse did I make? Answer this question; is the Ferrari the faster car here? Gumption is stirring the pot because the race is so boring. He expects Hamilton to have wrapped up the title already if he's so good. I think Alonso would have got a lot more out of this Ferrari tha...

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Who's complaining? What excuse did I make? Answer this question; is the Ferrari the faster car here? Gumption is stirring the pot because the race is so boring. He expects Hamilton to have wrapped up the title already if he's so good. I think Alonso would have got a lot more out of this Ferrari tha...

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Done and dusted. After lap 1 it always was going to be tbh, no matter who was ahead , if anything I'm surprised the undercut was so strong, without Verstappen in the way that could have been close. Another safety car is the only way we maybe see a lead change now. Nope. The Ferrari is substantially...

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Have Ferrari won the development race over the summer? Looks like the Scuderia have finally done a rapid. Vettel in total control... Maybe but it may also be too soon to tell. Merc are usually better on harder compounds and they aren't very good in dirty air so Hamilton may just be playing it a lit...

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Ocon wrote:That overtake from Vettel was always coming. I feel sorry for Hamilton having to work with the second fastest car again.

Yawn, this is getting old and is said every time Hamilton isn't leading a race.

Gumption

Hamilton in a different league in these conditions. Ocon was in a league above in the first sector in that case ;) Even Bottas was only around a couple of tenths behind him the last rain affected qualifying session. I do just think The Mercedes suits these conditions much better than Ferrari, so Ha...

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Vettel was clearly completely past Bottas. Otherwise the front right side of Bottas' wing would have been clipped. It's pretty obvious what happened... Vettel got by Bottas near the apex and cut over as soon as he could. Bottas couldn't quite make the apex due to his tires, locked up, slid and brok...

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Was he fully past? https://preview.ibb.co/k90ob8/Hun_gp_vettel_bottas.jpg This picture suggest that he was fully past. And that just before the breaking zone for that corner (you can see the DRS open on Vettel's car). Also the point of impact (the back of Vettel's car) suggests that Vettel kept bei...

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ohwell wrote:
AnRs wrote:First time I've heard that you have to leave room for a car that you have already passed.
Can anyone point to that rule?
You'll have to find the Ham Fanboy manual for that. Or the Anyone-But-Ferrari manual.

Several forumers could probably get you a copy

Gumption

Now Toto Wolff called Bottas a wingman :lol: He really is a wingman in every sense. Bottas was 5 laps away from finishing second. They did the best strategy possible for him on the day. If not for the contact with Seb breaking his wing , he finishes that race on the podium. Raikkonen, on the other ...

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Now Toto Wolff called Bottas a wingman :lol: He really is a wingman in every sense. Bottas was 5 laps away from finishing second. They did the best strategy possible for him on the day. If not for the contact with Seb breaking his wing , he finishes that race on the podium. Raikkonen, on the other ...

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It is a bit of a toss up in that normally, a driver in Bottas's position; knowing he's much slower and that the other guy is ahead, will back off and allow that other guy to take the corner. Bottas really stuck in there but Vettel should never have cut all the way across the track. He wasn't clear ...

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You can't back out if you are already braking. You're already braking as hard as possible whilst keeping the wheels rotating. It was clear long before braking that Vettel had the move done though. He was ahead and Bottas was squeezed right up to the inside, IMO Bottas should have backed out as Davi...

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Regarding Bottas vs Vettel, I watched it again and there was nowhere for Bottas to go. He even almost went on the grass. Vettel does this repeatedly though, he displays a lack of spatial awareness quite often. I agree with the steward's verdict and it was a small error of judgement, but I can't ass...

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neek wrote:interesting, raik is on vettel pretty much now

Kimi has new tires and Vettel is being held up. Soon Ricciardo will join in.

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Rockie wrote:
Gumption wrote:So Carlos Sainz holding Vettel up has cost Vettel a place.
Surprised it's not being looked at 9 corners he didnt get out of the way.

Had Sainz done it to Hamilton, he would have been penalized immediately. Sadly, I'm not being facetious.

Gumption

So Carlos Sainz holding Vettel up has cost Vettel a place.

Gumption

Ferrari should put one car (probably Vettel) on the harder compound but they need to get one car at least ahead of Bottas to have a chance at winning. Maybe Hamilton will have another donkey start like in Great Britain. That'll spice things up.

Gumption

What happened to Verstappen only 7th more than 2 seconds slower? The Red Bull just didn't look good in the rain today. The Mercedes looked great and the Ferraris looked a little twitchy. Calling BS on the Ferrari. Kimi looked like he was easily capable of matching or beating the Mercs. Seb looked l...

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pokerman wrote:What happened to Verstappen only 7th more than 2 seconds slower?

The Red Bull just didn't look good in the rain today. The Mercedes looked great and the Ferraris looked a little twitchy.

Gumption

Something that gets overlooked. Hamilton has won just about every race that inters or wets have been used in since the start of 2014. That's true but worth pointing out that includes Monaco 2016 and there are also some other caveats such as Ricciardo being faster in the wet part of USA 2015 but fal...

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BTW pretty remarkable record in recent years for Lewis in winning rain-hit races, no? Something that gets overlooked. Hamilton has won just about every race that inters or wets have been used in since the start of 2014. That's true but worth pointing out that includes Monaco 2016 and there are also...

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OK, with the dust seemingly settling, could you guys give an impression on the quality of the drive from Lewis today? Was it solid and good driving with a dash of chance and opportunity or was it something more special? How good was his drive today? I'd definitely rate some of his rain-hit victorie...

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For a top driver going for a world championship Vettel simply makes too many mistakes. How many good results has he lost from errors over the last 2.5 years? It feels like a lot. If you're racing Hamilton in equal or near equal cars you can't afford to drop many points. I don't like to be overly cr...

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Well, if they do punish Hamilton, I would accept it if they have reasons to due to Hamilton doing something he shouldn't have done. Thought the team were also at fault for that. But what is annoying me is why they are dealing with it so late. If it was even possible that it was incorrect what hamil...

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Why did Hamilton not get a penalty for crossing the pit entry without entering the pit lane? https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123 d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track by a ca...

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750k2 wrote:Where were all these people when ham was running Nico off the road?
Bangin with Massa?
Let them have at it - or go to Ilse of Mann style and race the clock.

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"If that did it, it's a very important position change for Hamilton" -Sky
"Ferrari did the right thing not swapping Vettel and Kimi" -Sky

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I think Merc should have pit both... it may be a replay of China but not as extreme.

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F1_Ernie wrote:
Zoue wrote:Bit of a reversal of fortunes here. Ferrari looked to have the edge in qualifying, but the Mercs look stronger in race pace
How do you work that one out?

Basic observational skills.

Gumption

How it works. You can reopen the DRS after turn 1 if you can flat through turn 1. If you lift through turn 1 you can not reopen the DRS. No such rules. You can keep braking and keep re-opening the DRS in the DRS zone if you so wish, or turn it off, lift off, turn it on again. It's up to you how muc...

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Did Alonso have a get out clause with Mclaren Honda, I know he didn't have a get out clause with Ferrari, he had to get a verbal agreement from LDM. Of course I exclude such things as contracts being bought out. Another thing if get out clauses are so common why did Alonso get caught out by Vettel ...

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That's the racing line you don't have to he wasn't defending, if not anyone can put their nose anywhere. Even if it was, which it wasn't then so what? You can't just blindly follow the racing line and ignore a car alongside you. I'm going to guess that Kimi did it because it's Max (who has done a l...

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Prema wrote:So no TO Ferrari... does this put the issue at rest once for ever?

That should have been put to rest in China last year when Ferrari didn't order Kimi to move over for a much faster Vettel.

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Why??? I'm in two minds. Was Vettel's mistake for sure but a small mistake locking up leading to big consequences. His mistake that in the end got him ahead of the car he hit. I thought a drive through for the least he should have got. For a first corner incident? I think that would be harsh He des...

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Flash2k11 wrote:Don't agree with that penalty, drivers have done far worse at T1L1 and gotten away with it.

I just wish stewards were consistent. Hamilton can have "understeer" and knock Rosberg out of contention in T1 and nothing happens (Canada).

Gumption

Oh the 3 year championship? Hamilton beat Button in 2012, the final year they were teammates, he also beat Button in 2010, but yes that compares exactly with the beating Vettel took from Ricciardo. I already know you can probably write 100 posts about it, but I merely stated a fact, and yes the bea...

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mikeyg123 wrote:I feel this has gone off topic.....

I agree... sorry about that.

Gumption

Oh the 3 year championship? Hamilton beat Button in 2012, the final year they were teammates, he also beat Button in 2010, but yes that compares exactly with the beating Vettel took from Ricciardo. I already know you can probably write 100 posts about it, but I merely stated a fact, and yes the bea...

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