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freelittlebirds

You've asked for a direct answer and you'll get one. We have discovered that when a team has 2 top drivers, then none of them can win the WDC in a car that's not dominant or consistent. In 1979, the car was more consistent but consistency is much less of an issue today than it was back then. Even i...

freelittlebirds

You've asked for a direct answer and you'll get one. We have discovered that when a team has 2 top drivers, then none of them can win the WDC in a car that's not dominant or consistent. In 1979, the car was more consistent but consistency is much less of an issue today than it was back then. Even in...

freelittlebirds

You guys DO realize that you have confirmed the point, right? Go back read the posts and give us the conclusion. I would offer it but there's no fun in that. Some things are better discovered than taught. I'll give you a hint - I asked a question. Take it away, guys! Let's see where this leads you....

freelittlebirds

You guys DO realize that you have confirmed the point, right? Go back read the posts and give us the conclusion. I would offer it but there's no fun in that. Some things are better discovered than taught. I'll give you a hint - I asked a question. Take it away, guys! Let's see where this leads you....

freelittlebirds

You guys DO realize that you have confirmed the point, right? Go back read the posts and give us the conclusion. I would offer it but there's no fun in that. Some things are better discovered than taught. I'll give you a hint - I asked a question. Take it away, guys! Let's see where this leads you. ...

freelittlebirds

Here's what I don't get...Lord Hamilton's fans think McLaren owes him the fastest car, the fastest stops, the best strategy, and a supportive teammate that gets out of the way figuratively speaking. When one or more of those things fails, he fails too, and its clearly not his fault. Then he gives a...

freelittlebirds

Just curious, what is the tie breaker if 2 drivers score the same number of points?

freelittlebirds

Alonso leads Massa by 131 points. ie over 5 race wins, even if Alonso scores nothing Hamilton leads Button by 24 points. ie less than one win How is that remotely comparable? Would it be too much of you to use logic, or common sense any time. And perhaps a bit less sarcasm? You do realize how illog...

freelittlebirds

I never said he's the cause of Hamilton's problems. Many people view him as the solution which I think is preposterous. I can't see how Jenson scoring 200 pts in the same car gives Hamilton an edge... You answered my question btw - never has it happened! Senna and Prost had a vastly superior car. P...

freelittlebirds

To win the WDC any driver just (as if that's not easy) has to accumulate more points than anyone else at the end of the season. If you do that, by default you have bested your team mate. If you just focus on your team mate, then everyone else will trample over you. Only, and only when, as in the ex...

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News "Felipe Massa believes Fernando Alonso will need his help to win this season's Drivers' Championship title..." Other News "Jenson Button shall royally screw Lewis Hamilton out of Drivers' Championship this year with help from Martin Whitmarsh according to renowned sport expert" Would it be too...

freelittlebirds

News "Felipe Massa believes Fernando Alonso will need his help to win this season's Drivers' Championship title..." Other News "Jenson Button shall royally screw Lewis Hamilton out of Drivers' Championship this year with help from Martin Whitmarsh according to renowned sport expert" Would it be too ...

freelittlebirds

Freelittlebirds, this is a marvelous thread. I was just wondering what your views on Jensons stop at China which POSSIBLY cost him a shot at victory... Do you think they mistook Jenson for Lewis? Thanks, I look forward to your considered response. Didn't cost him a chance at the WDC, did it? Pit st...

freelittlebirds

I fail to see how winning a position for Jenson is acceptable when they've not gained a single position for Lewis and cost him a bazillion points. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I thought you weren't allowed on the forum if under 13. The tried and true age argument for which there is no known ...

freelittlebirds

Now Button getting back onform would not help my mental state, ergo it doesn't help Hamilton! Especially, when all you're thinking "What the hell? They gained a position in the pits!!! Are you KIDDING????" He should rammed JB so he can go get another long pitstop :] "There, MW! The team's on track ...

freelittlebirds

Well Lewis is 62 points behind Freelittlebirds so you either have to like it or lump it. His title chances are now pretty slim and he's got to hope that Ferrari and Red Bull drop the ball big time towards the end. It just seems like you think the F1 world should revolve around Hamilton and that sim...

freelittlebirds

Laura gave 2000 as an example but that makes no sense because Schumacher was alone at Ferrari. She also listed Alonso 2005 but again he was alone. Hate to tell you this but two car teams have been mandatory for some time in F1 ;) Shhhhhhhhhh . It's a secret. :lol: Oops, a flag is waving - it means ...

freelittlebirds

Well Lewis is 62 points behind Freelittlebirds so you either have to like it or lump it. His title chances are now pretty slim and he's got to hope that Ferrari and Red Bull drop the ball big time towards the end. It just seems like you think the F1 world should revolve around Hamilton and that sim...

freelittlebirds

Laura, This made no sense until I realize that you answered the question verbatim where it makes no sense to answer it that way... The real question is when did 2 great teammates compete and 1 of them won the WDC in a slower car ? Actually to be exacr we'd have to add the following condition "while...

freelittlebirds

Well, Alonso couldn't win the title against a rookie Hamilton on his team. That's after winning 2 WDCs and he came up short. There's no sane argument anyone can make that another driver can win the WDC with Lewis as a teammate - it's the kiss of death for the other driver. The problem is that anoth...

freelittlebirds

Well Lewis is 62 points behind Freelittlebirds so you either have to like it or lump it. His title chances are now pretty slim and he's got to hope that Ferrari and Red Bull drop the ball big time towards the end. It just seems like you think the F1 world should revolve around Hamilton and that sim...

freelittlebirds

As Laura23 advised you.... Freelittlebirds it might be a good idea to just leave this thread, you are only making yourself look incredibly silly and Hamilton biased beyond belief. And to be honest, she has put it nicely. Do yourself and what is little is left of your F1 credibility a favor and run ...

freelittlebirds

But you're forgetting that once the WDC was out of reach Lewis didn't put his full effort in etc etc. (At least thats how the argument usually goes) The key being "once the WDC was out of reach". If freelittlebirds does go down that route then it's only a strengthening of the argument for Button to...

freelittlebirds

You seem to be under the impression that F1 is an individual sport. No pretty much everyone had been saying that Button being stronger makes the team stronger, and a stronger team is better for Hamilton. That's pretty much how a team sport works, you're the one who is making the argument that every...

freelittlebirds

Because his relationship with the boss wasn't exactly the best. That's a joke, right? If he had a 50% chance of winning the WDC next year, Alonso would have stayed... The problem is that with Hamilton he couldn't win the WDC and he stood a chance of losing in points. You have to understand, they do...

freelittlebirds

Well, Alonso couldn't win the title against a rookie Hamilton on his team. That's after winning 2 WDCs and he came up short. There's no sane argument anyone can make that another driver can win the WDC with Lewis as a teammate - it's the kiss of death for the other driver. The problem is that anoth...

freelittlebirds

Obviously, you do not understand that this is a zero sum game. The word is appropriate because if you're not using those points and denying from your teammate. You do know Jenson, however unlikely, could still win the title too don't you? Oh but wait a minute, having read all of this tripe I know t...

freelittlebirds

You seem to be under the impression that F1 is an individual sport. No pretty much everyone had been saying that Button being stronger makes the team stronger, and a stronger team is better for Hamilton. That's pretty much how a team sport works, you're the one who is making the argument that every...

freelittlebirds

HamsterHuey wrote:You must have an exceptionally well polished tin foil hat! I am green with envy!

I got it from you - you have a whole collection, right?

freelittlebirds

There's no doubt that Jenson's smart too. It would be great if Jenson was on McLaren if it was just Lewis and Jenson battling it out. That would be great and of course Lewis would beat Jenson handily assuming he didn't get a flat tire in every race. BUT the problem is that Hamilton is NOT competing...

freelittlebirds

There's no doubt that Jenson's smart too. It would be great if Jenson was on McLaren if it was just Lewis and Jenson battling it out. That would be great and of course Lewis would beat Jenson handily assuming he didn't get a flat tire in every race. BUT the problem is that Hamilton is NOT competing...

freelittlebirds

So what is Button's role? It IS impossible for Button to win a WDC with Hamilton there. That's the same as saying that Pirlo will outscore Messi. Even Alonso (let's call him Christian Ronaldo) couldn't do it when Hamilton joined McLaren. So what is Button's role then? If he is not supporting Hamilt...

freelittlebirds

This thread makes no sense whatsoever. The OP is suggesting the FIA fix the championship to bring Hamilton back into it? Because that would be fair. The Op is suggesting that Hamilton leave McLaren because Jenson has found his mojo again? As someone else said throwing your toys out of your pram spr...

freelittlebirds

Er, what? To beat everyone you just have to come first. The margin is irrelevant. And in your original post you didn't mention every single time. You just have to beat them more times than they beat you. Actually, the number of times isn't even relevant. You just need to accumulate more points than...

freelittlebirds

This thread makes no sense whatsoever. The OP is suggesting the FIA fix the championship to bring Hamilton back into it? Because that would be fair. The Op is suggesting that Hamilton leave McLaren because Jenson has found his mojo again? As someone else said throwing your toys out of your pram spr...

freelittlebirds

So what is Button's role? It IS impossible for Button to win a WDC with Hamilton there. That's the same as saying that Pirlo will outscore Messi. Even Alonso (let's call him Christian Ronaldo) couldn't do it when Hamilton joined McLaren. So what is Button's role then? If he is not supporting Hamilt...

freelittlebirds

Er, what? To beat everyone you just have to come first. The margin is irrelevant. And in your original post you didn't mention every single time. You just have to beat them more times than they beat you. Actually, the number of times isn't even relevant. You just need to accumulate more points than...

freelittlebirds

So what is Button's role? It IS impossible for Button to win a WDC with Hamilton there. That's the same as saying that Pirlo will outscore Messi. Even Alonso (let's call him Christian Ronaldo) couldn't do it when Hamilton joined McLaren. So what is Button's role then? If he is not supporting Hamilt...

freelittlebirds

With all due respect, you can't beat everyone. You can't beat Alonso, Vettel, Webber, the FIA, Massa, Maldonado, your own pit crew AND your own teammate in the same car who gets the good pit stops when he needs them. That's too much. FLB Actually, to be WDC that's exactly what you're supposed to do...

freelittlebirds

Button is now showing good form and while I enjoyed seeing him on the podium, this is not a good sign for Hamilton but also not for McLaren because Hamilton SHOULD leave McLaren if Button starts winning now with 2.5 second pit stops. Oh but this is exactly a good sign for Hamilton. If Hamilton is a...

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