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by pokerman
Wed May 01, 2024 11:12 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

This always come up but doesnt this make Max even more succesful ? Lewis' teammates could easily take #2 and/or wins in the same car, meaning anyone could be champions in those cars. Whereas Max dominates with a car where #2 mostly struggles. Even if you go with the idea that car is designed for hi...
by pokerman
Wed May 01, 2024 11:09 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

The idea that Red Bull is an operational superteam who don’t make mistakes, throw away wins, etc… is a myth. Verstappen just has a level of consistency that makes Hamilton look inconsistent by comparison, which people incorrectly attribute to Red Bull. You know I would just love it if Verstappen we...
by pokerman
Wed May 01, 2024 11:04 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Excuses. Hamilton had the same circumstances in 2019 and 2020 and simply couldn’t do it. In 2019 he won only 11 races out of 21 (a touch above 50%) in a car in which Bottas comfortably beat Leclerc and Verstappen with in the standings. He’s just not as good as Verstappen. Bottas is not the same cir...
by pokerman
Wed May 01, 2024 10:35 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

How many incidents has Max been involved in since 2021 that didn't involve Lewis (i.e. Brazil 2022)? Off the top of my head I can't think of any. He's raced side by side with Leclerc many times since then, no incidents (pushing both of them wide at the start in Vegas is the only one I can think of ...
by pokerman
Wed May 01, 2024 10:33 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

When I write similar it means similar. Similar does not mean that Hamilton is faster than either Leclerc or Sainz and consequently I don't see what Ferrari is gaining. Which is where I started from. You genuinely believe that Hamilton is going to be better than Leclerc in 2025? I find that extremel...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:01 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Yes, both Alonso and Hamilton may even last year prove comparatively similar to their peers in the upper tier of the sport, but I don't think it can be contested that both have lost both speed and ability since their peak years. Do you honestly think that Alonso was driving as well as in 2012 last ...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:00 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

What, no answers to my questions? I shall point out that in both Brazil and Monza, the stewards noted that Hamilton could have given more room. Could have, but did not. I had hoped you could tell me why, but instead you claim that in both cases the driver on the inside chose to crash... I think you...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:53 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

The logic is always the same. The driver who stands to lose from the contact is usually the driver who backs out. We see this playing out with Verstappen who knows that his races last year and this year can only be lost on the first lap and never won. So Verstappen has become more careful, tiptoein...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

What, no answers to my questions? I shall point out that in both Brazil and Monza, the stewards noted that Hamilton could have given more room. Could have, but did not. I had hoped you could tell me why, but instead you claim that in both cases the driver on the inside chose to crash... I think you...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Newey Leaving Red Bull
Replies: 117
Views: 3477

Re: Newey Leaving Red Bull

Well Autosport/Motorsport are reporting Newey has now handed in his resignation and we could get an announcement as soon as this weekend. They're also suggesting he will have to stay in his role (not on gardening leave) until the start of 2025 at the earliest, which seems like it would be a bit awk...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:15 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

So, you are saying that it is preferable to end your race and that of your opponent, rather than to avoid an accident. No you expect the other guy who has no right to be there, according to the rules, to back out of it rather than crash, much like Russell did in respect to Verstappen at the same co...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:45 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

What, no answers to my questions? I shall point out that in both Brazil and Monza, the stewards noted that Hamilton could have given more room. Could have, but did not. I had hoped you could tell me why, but instead you claim that in both cases the driver on the inside chose to crash... I think you...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Yes, Alonso is declining year after year, how could that not be the case? Which is why it is very hard to gauge the AMR24's ultimate potential. Now Alonso like Hamilton will have better and worse years relative to his average so that may give the perception of a driver that improves in a subsequent...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:26 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

"The person able to avoid a crash can continue racing, a person who accepts a crash potentially can not." and a person willfully keeping crashing into Lewis should have been black flagged, in Brazil 2022 Jeddah& Monza 2021. . What, no answers to my questions? I shall point out that in both Brazil a...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:37 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

I'm pointing out a few facts, that does not equate to being a fan of one of the two drivers. As I have already said on a number of occasions, Verstappen himself made a similar stupid mistake at the same corner a few years before. The main difference that may have existed is that I doubt Hamilton wa...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:31 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Where did you find evidence that Verstappen braked too late? Or that Verstappen was too offline to make the corner? I've just re-read the stewards' decision and I can't find it there. More to the point, I find it odd that the person on the outside of that corner knew there was a car alongside, yet ...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:27 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Please tell me exactly where he says that the crash was intentional? The stewards were wrong on their verdict here, as Martin Brundle himself said on commentary. Regardless, a little bit more space for a driver who is clearly alongside wouldn’t hurt. See the top picture in this article: https://www...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:23 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Is Max ruining Hamilton's legacy? Only if you believe Hamilton is the best F1 driver that's ever lived, I believe this thread was started in 2020 before Verstappen had won any titles and then got rehashed by a Verstappen fan I guess as a kind of told you so, I don't believe Verstappen can erase Ham...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:17 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

lets put that into words: VER is napping at 1st place in a dominating car since years, with a a very bad teammate. Excuses. Hamilton had the same circumstances in 2019 and 2020 and simply couldn’t do it. In 2019 he won only 11 races out of 21 (a touch above 50%) in a car in which Bottas comfortably...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Last year, last year, last year, we are talking about 2025 in case you didn't notice. Does Alonso look any worse this year and he's about 3 years older than Hamilton. Yes, Alonso is declining year after year, how could that not be the case? Which is why it is very hard to gauge the AMR24's ultimate...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:58 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Please tell me exactly where he says that the crash was intentional? The stewards were wrong on their verdict here, as Martin Brundle himself said on commentary. Regardless, a little bit more space for a driver who is clearly alongside wouldn’t hurt. See the top picture in this article: https://www...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:39 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

A very selective comparison, driven by an agenda, then? And you don't see a difference between a young driver in the advent to becoming a superstar and an old driver approaching his 40s who has already won everything? Lost his big chance at victory in Brazil because of a terrible qualifying session...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:29 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Of course Ferrari has much more data on their drivers. But the team does not have that same level of data on Hamilton. Furthermore, the inevitable decline in ability of a 40 year old driver compared to that same driver 10 years young is rooted in scientific research. Hamilton would probably be the ...
by pokerman
Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:26 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Of course Ferrari has much more data on their drivers. But the team does not have that same level of data on Hamilton. Furthermore, the inevitable decline in ability of a 40 year old driver compared to that same driver 10 years young is rooted in scientific research. Hamilton would probably be the ...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:16 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

For someone who at the height of his career rakes in a mere $12M in endorsements, I would say that his marketing value is distinctly below that of other sports stars. Looking at the roster of brands, most of these are linked at the Mercedes F1 Team. I think many here are overstating Hamilton's appe...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:13 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

You genuinely believe that Hamilton is going to be better than Leclerc in 2025? I find that extremely hard to believe and I think that Ferrari have made a massive mistake, because in my opinion in 2025 Sainz will also be better than Hamilton. Only time will tell of course. Ferrari perhaps need to e...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:11 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

You genuinely believe that Hamilton is going to be better than Leclerc in 2025? I find that extremely hard to believe and I think that Ferrari have made a massive mistake, because in my opinion in 2025 Sainz will also be better than Hamilton. Only time will tell of course. Ferrari perhaps need to e...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:04 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Well, how many other Red Bull athletes do you really know by heart? For those that follow Formula One the team already has one of the best known drivers on the planet, so that part of the population will not be buying more cans. Worldwide Verstappen's level of fame and Hamilton's are totally incomp...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:58 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Yes, Ferrari has gone for it which means one of two things. Either the team does not rate the best of its drives as at least as good as Hamilton or the team is literally living in a dream world. You can make up your mind what it is. Logical it certainly is not. *) *) I know people will be up in arm...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:55 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Silly Season 2025
Replies: 851
Views: 39504

Re: Silly Season 2025

Probably it won't happen but if Perez gets dropped from RBR. I wonder if he can join Hulk in Audi. Looking at some stats from their FI time. They both were on par with each other. Hulk faster in qualifying and Perez in races, including some podium which for some reason Hulk could not do. I've read ...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:51 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Yes, because Red Bull would not be selling more cans with Hamilton. Ferrari might sell more t-shirts and more caps and maybe a few more cars too. I don’t think it works out at the rumoured total cost of the deal, but it appears the Ferrari board is willing to chance it. In return the team gets a 40...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:45 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

There is not a single reason to contract a very expensive driver at the end of his career, no matter how good that driver once was or perhaps still is, unless that driver is better than both the drivers whom you currently employ. Everybody and their uncle knows this, but still there has to be an ex...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:43 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

However Ferrari have done it with Hamilton and yet again the need to say that Hamilton would have been an over expensive purchase, also strange now for you to be saying that Ferrari don't also have a better drive in Leclerc seeing your confidence in Leclerc beating Hamilton. Yes, Ferrari has gone f...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:40 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Driver A teammates: Alonso, Kovalainen, Button, Rosberg, Bottas, Russell Driver B teammates: Sainz, Ricciardo, (Gasly), Albon, Perez (...) not a full season Take a driver of the same ability/quality: which teammate group would you expect him to dominate more strongly? I'm talking about Verstappen i...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:38 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

There is not a single reason to contract a very expensive driver at the end of his career, no matter how good that driver once was or perhaps still is, unless that driver is better than both the drivers whom you currently employ. Everybody and their uncle knows this, but still there has to be an ex...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:11 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Female Racing Drivers
Replies: 3347
Views: 740687

Re: Female Racing Drivers

Day 2 of the FRECA test at Hockenheim saw Doriane Pin (1m36.415, 28th), Marta Garcia (1m36.805, 30th) and Lena Buhler (1m37.488, 32nd). The time gap was just 1s from 3rd fastest Roman Bilinski to 28th Pin, the first two were so much quicker I'd suspect a timing issue. By chance were the 2 fastest d...
by pokerman
Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:07 am
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Please show me an excuse. This is getting tiring, it's the some old often repeated nonsense. A money excuse, Hamilton might be over aggressive. There is not a single reason to contract a very expensive driver at the end of his career, no matter how good that driver once was or perhaps still is, unl...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:24 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

He was easily the best driver in 2019, more than happy to debate this with anyone who thinks otherwise. of course I think it otherwise, Verstappen was best aleady in his mother's womb. Winning 3 races with the distant third best car, and outscoring both Leclerc and Vettel with a clearly inferior ca...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:06 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

He was already the best driver in 2019, when the cars were completely different to now. nah, no way, he was best even before he was born. He was easily the best driver in 2019, more than happy to debate this with anyone who thinks otherwise. of course I think it otherwise, Verstappen was best alead...
by pokerman
Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:02 pm
Forum: F1 & Motorsport Forum
Topic: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?
Replies: 1121
Views: 53212

Re: Is Hamilton ruining Max’s legacy?

Well, you have to consider that this comes in reaction to a poster claiming that it was "intellectual dishonest" not to accept as a fact that Verstappen is by far the best driver or not to rule out that he could ever find a competitive teammate etc. In other words, it is reaction to the endless hyp...