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mcdo

Nice try to shift the goals, but the onus is not on me to find you an incident to prove why this overtake was on the naughty side. It seems that you have the opinion that a rule needs to be validated somehow by a decision. Not really, the rule is there, if the stewards didn't enforce it correctly t...

mcdo

Ok, is this how we are talking in here now? The sport has proven very inconsistent with their decisions during the years, it doesn't disagree with F1 Racer, it also disagrees with itself at times. So your blanket statement is wrong to say the least, the stewards inconsistency being a topic brought ...

mcdo

You don't explain why they aren't different though. The stewards were not happy that Vettel forced or attempted to force Hamilton off the circuit following his unsafe rejoin, as did Max against Kimi in Japan 2018. So in that sense, these incidents are all similar, forcing an innocent driver off the...

mcdo

Except they didn't in Canada when they punished Vettel, or Japan 2018 when they punished Max. According to the stewards at least, it only seems unacceptable to crowd another driver off the circuit when this is also part of a recent rejoin of the circuit from an off-track excursion. If either of the...

mcdo

Are you talking on behalf of the sport? :uhoh: Don't be a knob. The sport, by virtue of its own decisions, does not agree with the statements being made that poster Ok, is this how we are talking in here now? The sport has proven very inconsistent with their decisions during the years, it doesn't d...

mcdo

Except they didn't in Canada when they punished Vettel, or Japan 2018 when they punished Max. According to the stewards at least, it only seems unacceptable to crowd another driver off the circuit when this is also part of a recent rejoin of the circuit from an off-track excursion. If either of the...

mcdo

Yes, the stewards continually misunderstand and misapply the rules in this area. They have allowed crowding off the track to go unpunished many times in the past, but it was never acceptable then and it's still not acceptable now . The sport disagrees with you Are you talking on behalf of the sport...

mcdo

Why is it so hard to say that if any part of another car is alongside, then at minimum of 1 cars width must be left to the white line defining the edge of the track? That way there is no ambiguity and the driver, stewards and fans all know what is going on. This was discussed before when Hamilton a...

mcdo

Chapter four of appendix L of the FIA sporting code. It states: "Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited." On the one hand, I personally don't believe wheel bangin...

mcdo

Yes, particularly with lap 68 being the perfect example of what Max should have been doing. Exactly! This is what gets me about the argument, or when people claim that 'Leclerc would never have been able to hang it around the outside anyway'. It's not some sort of hypothetical; literally that exact...

mcdo

Chapter four of appendix L of the FIA sporting code. It states: "Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited." On the one hand, I personally don't believe wheel bangin...

mcdo

Option or Prime wrote:Would it be acceptable if the edge of the track was defined by a wall?

The fact that there is a run off shouldn't actually affect the decision in my view.

There was no wall in this instance so it's not relevant

mcdo

On the one hand, I personally don't believe wheel banging is the same as crowding. On the other hand, crowding is going on at corner exit in a lot of races and the stewards don't seem to ever apply the rule in that situation I'm personally impressed by the mental gymnastics required to believe that...

mcdo

. So, my understanding of the rules is that IF a car is alongside going into a corner then both cars should allow the other room to continue around the corner whilst staying on the track. Verstappen rather obviously did not comply with this. Can anyone quote the actual wording ? Thanks. . Chapter f...

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. So, my understanding of the rules is that IF a car is alongside going into a corner then both cars should allow the other room to continue around the corner whilst staying on the track. Verstappen rather obviously did not comply with this. Can anyone quote the actual wording ? Thanks. . Chapter f...

mcdo

But that's not how the sport is policed. The stewards don't agree with your view of the rulebook Hence the calls for consistency. Which cannot be expected, if the rules aren't clearly written down. The ball is clearly in the FIA's court, but they don't seem to understand. They have been consistent ...

mcdo

Watch the video slowly and look at the gaps between the cars. Leclerc starts on the far outside of the track, by the middle of the corner he is in the middle of the track. He is far too close to the apex. If you are trying to run one around the outside, you need to stay to the outside not move to t...

mcdo

I wanted Charles to win his first race, but its not a penalty. This is the best view of it, stabilised footage. https://streamable.com/bftsg Given that Max is approaching a hairpin type corner on the inside, Leclerc does not give him enough space, he crowds him. How tight does he expect Max to go.....

mcdo

I'd love to see Verstappen or Alonso or even Ricciardo but in reality it's Bottas or Ocon. I think Bottas is doing enough right now to keep it

mcdo

I do believe that in the past the stewards have made incorrect decisions "for the good of the sport" or because a particular driver/team was impacted (there were a lot of dodgy calls around 2008 for example). I don't believe that this was one of those occasions This was one of those occasions, beca...

mcdo

What surprises me most of all is people banging on precedence. Personally I couldn't care less about precedence. Since when does precedence trump making the right decision? Should everyone get a clean pass since Senna wasn't penalised in Suzuka for example? It is mind boggling. It is really unfortu...

mcdo

If you think his win has been kept because it suits a narrative then I'll refer you to Max's post-race penalty at the 2017 US GP. A storming recovery drive, cheered on by the majority, he crossed the track limits when passing Kimi and copped a 5 second penalty, keeping him off the podium. The penal...

mcdo

What surprises me most of all is people banging on precedence. Personally I couldn't care less about precedence. Since when does precedence trump making the right decision? Should everyone get a clean pass since Senna wasn't penalised in Suzuka for example? It is mind boggling. It is really unfortu...

mcdo

Leclerc was driving the best car this weekend. Max himself was the crucial factor that decided this race

mcdo

If you think having a Honda engine is any way more advantageous than having a Ferrari engine then I'm lost for words Two things won the race for Max today: his tyre strategy and his driving ability. You're watching the early days of a future all-time legend The engine made no difference in the race...

mcdo

This isn't a little incident though, this is one driver ramming the other driver off the track in order to pick up the race win. Let's take a look at USA 2015. A title got decided that day - a substantially bigger event than today's race. If Hamilton got no penalty for that move then what Max did t...

mcdo

Alonso v Massa USA 2018. There was a minority crying foul at the time and guess what - no penalty. As time went on the blame actually shifted to Massa - he turned in to a space that Alonso was already occupying. Massa even got a puncture after that one https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en...

mcdo

There is an entire generation of F1 fans brainwashed to think that every little incident needs to be penalized. :thumbup: There seems to be a popular school of thinking which says that the rules can be ignored when they are broken but improve the show... Very trendy victims of brainwashing, too ? S...

mcdo

I thought Japan 2015 was fine. Rosberg was an idiot to put his car out there. Didn't feel sorry for him one bit Banging wheels is not the same as bodywork contact. If a driver gets the "love tap" wrong and clouts a wing or a bargeboard or whatever then they deserve to get done for their clumsy chal...

mcdo

If you think having a Honda engine is any way more advantageous than having a Ferrari engine then I'm lost for words Two things won the race for Max today: his tyre strategy and his driving ability. You're watching the early days of a future all-time legend The engine made no difference in the race...

mcdo

Controversy aside, Honda is once again on the top step of the podium in F1. That deserves some respect. Wonder how McLaren are feeling tonight? Pretty great I'd say. They had a fantastic result. Honda and McLaren just didn't work. They're both clearly much better off without each other I think Mcla...

mcdo

I'm going to put something out there. I think Red Bull should attempt to snap up Norris. I'm assuming bridges are burned with Carlos Sainz and there is a distinct possibility that Max will leave if Red bull fail to provide a championship-capable car by next season. Red Bull's other drivers in their...

mcdo

I was so tempted to go for a Leclerc victory on this one. But I just couldn't pull the trigger. I've gone for a safe Hamilton v Vettel ding dong instead I had a similar thought process. I wanted Leclerc, but as the championship leader I just thought that if everyone else goes for Lewis and I don't,...

mcdo

sidders wrote:
BlackMan wrote:Controversy aside, Honda is once again on the top step of the podium in F1. That deserves some respect.
Wonder how McLaren are feeling tonight?

Pretty great I'd say. They had a fantastic result. Honda and McLaren just didn't work. They're both clearly much better off without each other

mcdo

There is an entire generation of F1 fans brainwashed to think that every little incident needs to be penalized. :thumbup: This isn't a little incident though, this is one driver ramming the other driver off the track in order to pick up the race win. Let's take a look at USA 2015. A title got decid...

mcdo

Also they should put the official driver of the day vote in the bin. Today it was won by the driver who was lapped three times and finished last. What's the point when that happens. I think Rio Haryanto won one of the earliest official dotd awards. But generally speaking the public has taken them s...

mcdo

I’m not of that school and I welcome good, hard CLEAN racing, but squeezing your opponent IS NOT part of that. Had they bumped wheels or traded paint while giving each other room I’d have been all for it, but this was one guy resorting a tactic in order to gain an unfair advantage. I hope this sets...

mcdo

There is an entire generation of F1 fans brainwashed to think that every little incident needs to be penalized. :thumbup: This isn't a little incident though, this is one driver ramming the other driver off the track in order to pick up the race win. Let's take a look at USA 2015. A title got decid...

mcdo

Max Verstappen said drivers “have to stay at home” and there is no point “being in Formula 1” You are right Max, you drive like you are still in Karts, go home and let the grown ups play until such time as you understand that you are wrong sometimes Imagine writing this after watching such a legend...

mcdo

KingVoid wrote:There is an entire generation of F1 fans brainwashed to think that every little incident needs to be penalized.

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