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FIA clearly in damage limitation mode....if this were to go to court, I am actually very interested to see how they defend themselves without doing more harm. This is every bit as fascinating as the F1 season we've all just witnessed. Completely new territory.

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One thing that many are fully aware of and in general agreement with on this forum is that a safety car has the ability to influence the outcome of a race to favor one competitor over another. It is for that very reason the rules around it should be written as a clear procedure so that it can be app...

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What messages did the teams / drivers get? on the broadcast feed, the graphic came up that stated specific cars to pass. Did all the competitors get the message Lapped Cars May Pass or was did only those affected get the message Cars a, b, c, d, e May Pass? Fair question, but again this would have ...

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Oh come on. Even Albon wins the title at that point there was absolutely nothing special from Max in that last lap. That is your opinion, my point was he didn't do anything underhanded on that last lap, he did what any other driver would have done, took advantage of the opportunity, however I have ...

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It's actually a very well written clause. Once the message is sent to ALL competitors, which is the first thing that they got wrong, those that have been lapped are required to pass, and those that have not been lapped are not required to pass. There is no other interpretation.

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48.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car. This wil...

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Well, I’m very happy that my pessimism on this thread has turned out to be wrong. I was predicting that Max would have been without a title until 2025. As good of a jinx as F1Tyrant’s “will Lewis even reach 100 wins” thread was after Austria, I honestly think that this thread might have been an eve...

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It was lost a little too me in the shocking pupateering there at the end of the race but on the restart I haven't seen to much about Max's LA lane changes down the back straight. He must weave at least two full times from left to right and right to left. There is weaving but is that really necessary...

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Things fade as time passes. Prost won the 1989 championship largely because he crashed into his rival who got DSQ'd for skipping a chicane when recovering. Nobody discounts it or thinks any less of that championship than Prost's 3 others. Yes they do, the same for Schumacher’s 1994 and Sennas 1990....

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Paddy power should get involved in the legal action too so if the bet was with them then I wouldn't worry to much about dirty money.

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Also, Masi called it a motor race. Normally in a motor race a driver in second would have to try and overtake while also defending the car behind. I'm sure that Sainz would have left them to it. But the officials should not be able to make that choice for him. The more you think about it, the more s...

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Honestly, it's such a shame that the season was ended like that. There are a lot of gray areas in racing and those decisions often get contentious but such a blatant disregard of the rules is just something else all together. It was very possible that the final safety car was going to hand Max the a...

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I don't think there was a single case of that yesterday. He failed to make the corner in a very similar manner to Brazil forcing Hamilton further wide. It's not accidental him failing to stay on track. Brazil he clearly made no effort to take the corner. In Abu Dhabi he very obviously made every ef...

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Curious if anyone has changed their opinion following the last race. Honestly, I'm not sure at this point as it would certainly seem that the FIA are more content to keep liberty happy and favour entertainment over a fair competition. Not sure if that has always been the case but it seems strange. I...

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Does anyone know if the stats for position change on lap 1 includes races where the driver do not complete the first lap? Could paint quite a different story whether the answer is yes or no. I’d also be interested in knowing instances of where a driver has had a disaster that wasn’t their fault (Bo...

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Does anyone know if the stats for position change on lap 1 includes races where the driver do not complete the first lap? Could paint quite a different story whether the answer is yes or no.

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What ever they do, I would be quite surprised if any points awarded, for any event, did not count towards both championships. Else I just can't see it having the intended effect. Seems to be very little info out there on this at the moment though, so it's hard to gauge what they are proposing at thi...

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What I would question is the few who suggest that had there been contact, then maybe Max would have been given the penalty and been deemed mostly at fault. If it is not a penalty without contact, then it should not be a penalty if Hamilton decides to take the risk and call Max’s bluff. I think othe...

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Odds on Hamilton taking a new ICE with a 5 place penalty at every remaining race this season, because they'd take the penalty in exchange for the rocketship they had in Brazil :) I would, if it were me! What's 5 places when you can blast past them all on the straight anyway? I am surprised that mor...

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Difficulty with these moves for me has always been how you prove intent, and that the driver in Max’s position has deliberately crowded the other driver. This one does look particularly clumsy, and is made worse by just how far ahead Hamilton is before the corner. But Max is for me entitled to use t...

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I’m not convinced Tsunoda is at fault for messing up Perez and Verstappen’s laps in Q3. I think Tsunoda was fine getting out the way and Perez just made a mistake and after that Verstappen had to back out a bit. Basically, Perez’s fault for me. Ted said on Sky that Marko had been down to see Tost a...

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My thoughts are that, no matter how many trophies he wins with them, he'll need to get away from the RB cocoon & prove himself in a more adverse climate before he can start to be included in the same conversation as Senna, Prost, Hamilton et al for GOAT. I don't think it can be understated that, wi...

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REdbull were such good fortune tellers when they pittled Max for the first time even though they knew Ricciardo was still in his pit window. Of course, they somehow knew that Ricciardo would let Max breeze through. Amazing. If Ricciardo puts up any kind of defense there then Max loses the undercut ...

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Both teams value the WDC more... .. because they understand that it's every bit as much of a team achievement as the WCC, but for whatever reason it gets all the public attention. 8) That said, I'm not sure anyone would take the option of giving up the WCC to pit the #2 driver. The problem is that ...

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See that from the US GP onwards, during qualifying, lap times set by drivers who run through double yellow flag sectors will be automatically deleted. Seems reasonable, but I wonder if they need to look at the other side and whether more should be done to prevent drivers taking bigger risks and brin...

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The manufacturers do have to much influence but assuming they do have that influence it’s hard to eliminate. If the rules were changed to preclude it then I suspect we would simply hear a couple of laps of….”the PU seems to be intermittently losing power / gear seems to be stuck in low gear” until t...

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It's largely down to balance though, from what I gather (I've read understeer in FP1, oversteer in FP2). If RB donlt find the sweet spot, yes, Verstappen will have problems. However, assuming they do, I'd expect him to genuinely challenge - i.e. I don't see a genuine car deficit here. Commentators ...

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That is clearly not the case, else Verstappen not being alongside Hamilton "until significantly into the entry into Turn 1" would not be relevant and stated in the stewards ruling at all. Using the two corners to aid the description of the sequence of events is not the same as treating them separate...

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I can’t believe that it needs to be said, but you simply can not consider corner 2 in Monza as a standalone corner and interpret the racing rules based on that alone. If you do then there are going to be many occasions where you don’t draw the same conclusions as the stewards. Are you aware you alm...

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This has been discussed enough for my liking anyway, and I think that the discussion is now far more skewed than it was about 2 pages of replies ago but so be it. I can’t believe that it needs to be said, but you simply can not consider corner 2 in Monza as a standalone corner and interpret the raci...

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Of course there is a much more relevant question to the thread, which is how high can Hamilton go?

Ross Brawn has suggested 120 might be achievable. Will ultimately depend how much Hamilton enjoys racing the new cars.

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In the end it was a master stroke for Max as everyone needed the second stop, and he was primed to jump in the pits early. Master stroke??? Bit of a stretch there… Max got lucky with the rain. He didn’t strategically destroy his tires to account for the rain and everyone coming in again. He over dr...

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In the end it was a master stroke for Max as everyone needed the second stop, and he was primed to jump in the pits early.

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LOL! Verstappens "overtakes" Lap 48 Ricciardo runs wide and both Verstappen and Leclerc go by. Lap 48 Sainz spins and both Verstappen and Leclerc go by. Verstappen pits Lap 49 Verstappen overtakes Vettel who is on slicks (takes 20 seconds out of him in 1 lap) Lap 50 Perez, Alonso, Leclerc pit and V...

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Good_Year wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:39 pm
If I may get back to the race,

Stroll screwed over vettel again.

That one wasn't even controversial to me. Maybe I need to double check but I thought that Stroll closes the door on the approach with Vettel alongside, in which case there is no defending him.

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LOL! Verstappens "overtakes" Lap 48 Ricciardo runs wide and both Verstappen and Leclerc go by. Lap 48 Sainz spins and both Verstappen and Leclerc go by. Verstappen pits Lap 49 Verstappen overtakes Vettel who is on slicks (takes 20 seconds out of him in 1 lap) Lap 50 Perez, Alonso, Leclerc pit and V...

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What amazes me most, is that there were not really any contentious overtakes/blocks in the race, and so we are left having to weigh up which driver on the podium had the most fortune. Perhaps it is just less controversial when the drivers have a sufficient pace advantage, and even if anything looked...

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Could you expand on why? Verstappen wasn't lucky to the same extent would have been more correct, but it was clear watching the gaps sector after sector that once it rained, he was taking huge gaps out of those running ahead of him, with two drivers still having to pit. Those three overtakes were o...

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Luck has such fine margins in those conditions and if it goes against you then it can really bite as Norris found out. Feel for him today. Cant help but think if Hamilton had got passed at the first mistake before pitting then we could just have easily seem Hamilton stay out and fall drastically bac...

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You disagree with the fact that Max's actions at the same corner on two seperate laps show that he thinks he is right to close the door when on the inside, and expect space when on the outside, going into turn 1, and don't see a problem with that?

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