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Generally speaking Alonso had horrible reliablity in 2003. I think he DNFed in about 5 or 6 races. Responded to in the appropriate thread: http://forum.planet-f1.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11738&p=526575#p526575 As for Vettel vs Kimi, all I can say is that in his McLaren days Kimi impressed me more th...

KingVoid

Generally speaking Alonso had horrible reliablity in 2003. I think he DNFed in about 5 or 6 races. This is an interesting point, because I remember someone claiming that Alonso could have been up there in the thick of the WDC action in 2003 if Renault had Ferrari's bulletproof reliability. Austria:...

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In 2004, Alonso lost 16 points in total due bad luck from USA (tyre explosion when 3rd) and Belgium (blown up engine when leading). He was overall still better than Trulli in races that year. Likewise, Alonso trashed Trulli in 2003 by a score of 55-33 (and it would've been an even bigger difference ...

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Interesting how the guy who got 11 pole position last year doesn't have a single vote.

KingVoid

I thought I was the only one who imagined this crazy scenario whenever I'm bored. :lol: Anyway, Rosberg is a brilliant qualifier and very fast around Singapore. However, he has a history of bottling it in Q3 when it really matters. I don't think he'd be able to handle the pressure, which let's face ...

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This discussion has grown a fair bit since I last posted, so let me respond to some of the things said on here. Seeing as Alonso was able to beat Kimi in some races I don't think you can automatically assume he would of won all of those races Kimi was 12 seconds ahead of Alonso and pulling away grad...

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He would never have dominated the championship in 05 as Vettel did in 11 even with bullet proof reliability. Not even close. Alonso would of still very close. Kimi won 7 races in 2011. He lost Imola and Hockenheim when leading. Had an engine penalty in France, Silverstone, and Monza (3 other races ...

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It was apparently really easy to get heat into the Michelin tires, something that was more difficult to do with Bridgestone and Pirelli tires. Maybe that's another reason to why, Kimi has often struggled to get hard tires to work. Remember mid-2008? I still recall the opening laps of Brazil 2003. He...

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I've never seen Vettel strongly challenge for a championship with the clear-third best car on the grid like Kimi did in 2003. You could argue 2009, but: 1. The Red Bull RB5 was a stronger car than the McLaren MP4/17D 2. Kimi still came closer to the 2003 WDC than Vettel was to the 2009 WDC. Kimi's r...

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mikeyg123 wrote:Didn't manage it in Bahrain.

Of course not. Mercedes were horrid around Bahrain. They were actually quite fast around Malaysia.

KingVoid

Raikkonen in his prime (2003-2006) was a better driver than Vettel ever was, IMO. Nowadays, Seb probably has a modest edge over Kimi.

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If both of them lost their seat in F1 tomorrow, I'd miss Perez more than Hulkenberg. I wouldn't even notice Hulk not being on the grid. But Perez is really someone who can get my adrenaline pumping with his driving every so often, even if it does occasionally end up in tears (Monaco 2013, Canada 201...

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McLaren designed a world class car as recent as 2012. Ferrari haven't designed a car that good since 2008.

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If Alonso did sign for Ferrari in 2002, I'd like to have seen how Schumacher would have reacted once he realized that Alonso was more than just an ordinary Barrichello.

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Judging Vettel based ONLY in 2014 is like ridiculing a legend once he/she spins at a corner during a race. You cannot compare one mistake in a single corner to an entire season of inability to adapt. I mean, he was 25 seconds slower than Daniel across a race distance very early on in the year (Chin...

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Punctures, sheep on the track, getting taken out by Maldonado or Perez, delayed flights and playing the roulette tables are down to luck. When you are one of the two best drivers in the world then consistent wrong car/wrong team/poor results is down to bad choices, bad attitude or both. Or karma - ...

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I wouldn't say that. He joined Renault at the right time in 2003, just when they were on the way up. They went on to win 2 WDC and 2 WCC. He joined McLaren at the perfect time in 2007, when they had the best car they've ever build since 1998-2000, and it was reliable. As for from 2010-2013, he was a...

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What team orders in Malaysia? Rosberg wasn't told not to pass, Brawn refused to tell Hamilton to let him through. Rosberg could've passed Hamilton previously if he'd thought things through. Rosberg clearly wasn't driving as he normally does in those final laps. He is usually very smart with his DRS...

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Aldo Costa on Sky Italia: "The W06 is an evolution of the W05, but still large parts of the layout have changed. We've been running the car with a full tank at all times so that no one can infer how fast we can run. We won't run with with light fuel or try to set up the car for performance until Bar...

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How was BMW was a reliable engine? I remember seeing the BMW-Williams blow up on so many occasions from 2001-2005. Likewise, generally speaking reliability is an easier problem to fix than raw performance. Honda should try to put as much performance in the engine as possible, worry about reliability...

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The Honda V10 engine was a monster. I remember a discussion between James Allen and Martin Brundle during the qualifying session of Spa 2005 where they alluded to Honda having the most powerful engine in F1, more powerful than even Mercedes, BMW and Ferrari. BAR's poor chassis was the problem back t...

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Not sure whether this point has been raised, as this appears to be a Jenson v Nico thread now..! Jenson is very sensitive to car set-up / feel and this has been his achilles heel, in my view, and the reason he has sometomes been well off the pace of, say Lewis, who seemingly drives around almost an...

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Far better racecraft? If Button's race craft is so superior to that of Rosberg, then how come Rosberg has beat Hamilton clean more times in 2 years than Button beat him clean in 3 years? If you actually want an answer to that, then it's because he qualified in front of Hamilton more often than Butt...

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I would not consider neither the F310 nor the F2012 to be "fast" by the definition and standards Ferrari have historically set for themselves. To answer the question of this thread, personally I was never really been particularly font of the Benetton B194. IMO, the chassis scheme was just plain ugly...

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So with that in mind provided you give them a car with a big enough advantage for Button to qualify second pretty much every race (like the W05) he should have no problem beating Rosberg in the races, with similar pace & far better race craft. Far better racecraft? If Button's race craft is so supe...

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Button was Hamilton's teammate for 3 years as opposed to just 2 (as of now), so technically speaking you should have 50% more races where JB beat Lewis clean. ;) I agree that it wouldn't be a clear-cut victory, but Rosberg would come out on top IMO. Qualifying is his biggest trump card over Button. ...

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And there were races when Hamilton was totally out classed by Button, such as Melbourne 2012. (To be fair, Button had the entire field out classed that race, even in practice). But I digress... Spain 2013, Monaco 2013, Monza 2013, Singapore 2013, India 2013, Abu Dhabi 2013, Brazil 2013, Austria 201...

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Yellowbin74 wrote:Spain was the first race that sprang to mind but I'm not sure why.

That was at the end of lap 2.

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Lewis had lost a good well earned fifty points due to Nico 's vengeful antics and you believe Lewis is in the wrong for answering the press honestly. 7 in Monaco (this one is very debatable, but I'll give it to Lewis under the assumption that he would have not made a single mistake in either S2 or ...

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Canada is another great choice I forgot about. Rosberg was 29.4 seconds ahead of 3rd place man Hulkenberg on lap 36. That's despite the first 7 laps being ran under safety car, so it was essentially a 29 second gap in 29 laps. Nico and Lewis were on their way to lapping the field before the MGU-K fa...

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Over the rest of the field, on raw pace? IMO it was Silverstone, especially in the opening stint. Before Rosberg retired and Merc put a leash on Hamilton's car out of conservatism, they were lapping 2 seconds faster than anyone else out there. A close second is Bahrain. They were also 2 seconds/lap ...

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1. V10 (the scream)
2. V12 (those downshifts)
3. V6 (the calm roar)
4. V8 (boring)

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Ignoring the OPs question for a minute - think what Button could of done with Rosbergs opportunities. All those victories thrown away. I think Button would of won in Bahrain, Hungary, Belgium and Italy. I think the only race Nico won that Button probably wouldn't is Brazil. I certainly think Button...

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mikeyg123 wrote:Rosberg beat Hamilton in a fair fight once all season.

*Twice
Brazil and Austria

Also, seven times in 2013 (Monaco, Spain, Monza, Singapore, India, Abu Dhabi & Brazil).

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Banana Man wrote:Button, Alonso and Hamilton have pretty much matched each other on Sunday when they have been team mates. Rosberg hasn't and is the weak link of the four IMO.

Already gone over this in another thread, but Button isn't stronger than Rosberg. Quite the opposite actually.

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mikeyg123 wrote:This one?

Hamilton beat Button 26-14 in a two-car finish. Hamilton beat Rosberg also in a two-car finish, but only by 17-12.

Still see no evidence to rate Button above Rosberg on race pace.

KingVoid

Hamilton and Alonso are too close to call. However, Rosberg is faster than Button, so Mercedes get the nod from me.

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Button struggled in 2012 - no-one's denying that. He had a very up and down season. In Canada he admitted to being unable to switch the tyres on, while in Monaco he got stuck behind Kovaleinen after being baulked by Kobayashi at turn one, and we all now how difficult it is to overtake at Monaco. Ye...

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And yet Button managed to beat Lewis in races far more than Nico has. He did? In what universe did Button beat Hamilton clean more often than Rosberg has? Makes less mistakes as well. Of course, it's easier to make less mistakes when driving slower. If Button tried to match Hamilton's speed like Ro...

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Does anyone have an examples of where Rosberg got LAPPED by Hamilton in 2014 like Hamilton lapped Button in Monaco and Canada 2012? Does anyone have any examples of where Hamilton put 1.0 seconds between himself and Rosberg in a normal dry qualifying session like Hamilton did to Button in Spain, Mon...

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